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[animedreamer]

If you romanced either of these 2 in Mass Effect 1, considering what happens in Mass Effect 2, what made you reignite your relationship with them in Mass Effect 3? I mean they pretty much said they'd pick the Alliance over you every time.

[themikefest]

The one time I did a trilogy romance with Ashley, it was because I like the character.

[MissMayhem96]

Yes. They did nothing wrong in ME2 they simply didn't want to be a part of Cerberus and if that meant they couldn't be with Shepard then so be it.

 

In fact, I was actually proud of what they did. I also like characters that don't blindly follow the PC. Miranda, Javik, Ashley (if you treat her bad on Mars she will not join you after the Coup) etc.

 

I did a faithful Kaidan romance and the ME2 incident was what gave the romance an actual depth, that there was a conflict between them and they were able to forgive each other, I have yet to do an Ashley romance playthrough.

[Iakus]

The Horizon scene was one of the absolute worst scenes in ME2, and perhaps the entire trilogy.  And this is coming from someone who didn't like Cerberus anyway.

 

But that said, I wasn't about to throw away the character for one bad scene.  And it turned out, I actually liked Mars much better than Horizon (though I seem to be one of the few who liked it)  I found Ashley's concerns far more valid than "YOU TRAITOR!!!" She even expressed some concerns that I think my Shepard would have had.

 

What bugged me more was after the Citadel Coup, where she essentially stops talking for most of the second half of the game.

[Excella Gionne]

Yeah, their Horizon scene was absolute dumpster fire. Shepard explained very clearly on why we're working with Cerberus, but Ash/Kaidan decided to be total **bleep** about the situation. I'm glad my squadmates even attempted to tell them the flaw of their decision to not help Shepard because they hated Cerberus so much that it was clouding their judgement. But as you all know, Ash/Kaidan are deaf. If it weren't for us, Ashley/Kaidan would be on the Collector Ship. In ME3, they become the most pain in the **bleep** character for the beginning of the game.

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[MissMayhem96]

Yes, I agree the scene was badly executed. I could expect Ashley being a bit more stubborn than Kaidan about it but I'm glad they didn't abandon all other responsibilities to go with Shepard. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I am willing to forgive some characters when the plot or a particular writer has them enter brain stumble mode. I simply do my best to forget that whole Horizon incident and anyone's involvement in the fiasco. Basically, I don't see the Kaidan on Horizon as the real Kaidan.

[JasonShepard]

It is worth noting - Shepard was completely rebuilt by a terrorist organisation that he/she is now happy to work with. That's a pretty good reason not to trust the Commander - how do you know that Shepard is the same Shepard who died 2 years ago?

 

Unfortunately, that only really got brought up in conversations on Mars. The conversation on Horizon is just doesn't flow very well, despite Ashley/Kaidan's position of distrust being perfectly justifiable. (Personally, I'm amazed how many people were willing to just trust that it was Shepard, not clone-Shepard-with-a-Cerberus-control-chip.)

 

So I don't hold Horizon against Ashley. I do, however, hold it against whoever wrote that scene.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It is worth noting - Shepard was completely rebuilt by a terrorist organisation that he/she is now happy to work with. That's a pretty good reason not to trust the Commander - how do you know that Shepard is the same Shepard who died 2 years ago?

 

Unfortunately, that only really got brought up in conversations on Mars. The conversation on Horizon is just doesn't flow very well, despite Ashley/Kaidan's position of distrust being perfectly justifiable. (Personally, I'm amazed how many people were willing to just trust that it was Shepard, not clone-Shepard-with-a-Cerberus-control-chip.)

 

So I don't hold Horizon against Ashley. I do, however, hold it against whoever wrote that scene.

 

I find the reaction completely believable, especially considering something like a "control chip" exists (I've complained often about how weird it is that no one else really brings it up). What gets me about the scene is the specifics on how it plays out. How the presence of someone like Garrus doesn't really affect anything, Shepard's subpar persuasion attempts, etc.

[MissMayhem96]

My Shepard wasn't happy about joining Cerberus and explained to them that she was only using them to get rid of the Collector threat.

 

but it was bad writing, so I don't hold a Ashley/Kaidan grudge like some people do.

[Dabrikishaw]

I take Kaiden back because I like him and I need more party members.

[dreamgazer]

Cid Shepard ditches Ashley for Jack and never looks back.

[jtav]

Am I the only person who dumped the VS for reasons unrelated to Horizon?

[Dabrikishaw]

Am I the only person who dumped the VS for reasons unrelated to Horizon?

No. I never had anything against the Virmire Survivor for Horizon, at least with Kaiden. Ashley dies in the first game always.

[dreamgazer]

Am I the only person who dumped the VS for reasons unrelated to Horizon?

 

No. That would've happened regardless of Horizon (neither of my other two Shepards have a VS romance). 

[jtav]

The distrust is perfectly understandable. But I always felt like Kaidan was literally too good for Shepard. He's still struggling over the kinds of things Shepard had to make peace with in 2.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard was just a brick with a VI in his/her head helping him/her think. I mean a brain that survived atmospheric entry in a corrosive atmosphere let alone decompression in space to a vacuum. Yeah, that would survive.

[Battlebloodmage]

I want to romance Kaidan in ME1, too bad he's straight.

[dgcatanisiri]

Yeah, you knew Horizon was going to be a trainwreck from Shepard's first dialogue option - with Kaidan, Shepard's top option if 'It's been a long time, Kaidan,' as if they'd been on a long vacation or something, not DEAD. So that whole incident I chalk up to bad writing and move on. Then on Mars, both of the VS are making legitimate points - Cerberus could have implanted any number of things, things beyond a control chip (which, even if the Collector Base was destroyed against TIM's desires, Shepard really only has Miranda's word that something like that was never put in their head), and Shepard could be completely unaware of them. Cerberus rebuilt Shepard pretty much from the ground up, that would change people.

 

Horizon is bad writing. Mars, at least in regards of what Ashley/Kaidan say and do, is light-years of improvement. (I have other issues with the writing on Mars, but at least in this aspect, it was handled a whole lot better.)

[SporkFu]

It is worth noting - Shepard was completely rebuilt by a terrorist organisation that he/she is now happy to work with. That's a pretty good reason not to trust the Commander - how do you know that Shepard is the same Shepard who died 2 years ago?

 

Unfortunately, that only really got brought up in conversations on Mars. The conversation on Horizon is just doesn't flow very well, despite Ashley/Kaidan's position of distrust being perfectly justifiable. (Personally, I'm amazed how many people were willing to just trust that it was Shepard, not clone-Shepard-with-a-Cerberus-control-chip.)

 

So I don't hold Horizon against Ashley. I do, however, hold it against whoever wrote that scene.

Still think the smart play for the VS would've been to join shep on Horizon and spy on him for the Alliance find out what's really going on for themselves. They went through enough together chasing after Saren to at least give shep the benefit of the doubt for a little while and find out if shep can still be trusted. 

[Hazegurl]

Well, I couldn't romance Kaidan in ME1 but I played Shepard who had a crush on him. So the meeting on Horizon from that Shep's perspective is that he likes and respects Kaidan and quite honestly agrees with him on many points. Cerberus can't be trusted. Also, i don't expect Kaidan to be some "yes man" who would follow my Shep around. That's why I like him the most. He's got his own life and own thing going on and he won't compromise that for anyone. So when ME3 rolled around, I was happy to patch things up with him when the time came and of course romance him. He wasn't going to let a disagreement ruin his last chance at happiness.

[Farangbaa]

I really liked the complete trilogy Ashley romance. I continued the romance cause I rp'ed a lifelong military Shepard (spacer, war hero) and Ashley is pretty much the only one who can relate to that, and where that Shepard could relate to. 

 

 

 

Really liked that playthrough, though that Shepard was kindofa butcher.

[Farangbaa]

Shepard was just a brick with a VI in his/her head helping him/her think. I mean a brain that survived atmospheric entry in a corrosive atmosphere let alone decompression in space to a vacuum. Yeah, that would survive.

 

Do not underestimate the power of Space Magic.

[SporkFu]

[Daemul]

Nah, Ashley and Kaidan were my mouthpiece on Horizon, saying all the things I wanted to say about the horrid railroading and being forced to join Cerberus. I remember cheering when I played that scene because they were voicing my frustrations, joining Cerberus was stupid and the reason for doing so utterly non sensical.

If hundreds of thousands/millions of individuals go missing no race is going to do nothing, especially with the inevitable massive outcry on Earth from loved ones of the missing colonists and the media. The whole premise is stupid.