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[Dwask117]

Hey, everyone. I'm new to the forums, which you've probably noticed.

 

Anyway, I'll keep this brief:

 

Saren, when accused of treason for the first time, immediately after Eden Prime, says that "Nihlus' files passed on to [him]," and that he'd read the "Eden Prime Report."

 

Wait.

 

What report?

 

Didn't Nihlus die before mission completion? Or does he constantly keep an updated log somewhere? What?

 

What do you think? Am I missing something?

 

This may seem like irrelevant stuff, but it's kind of bugging me.

[cap and gown]

Nihlus knew why they were heading to Eden Prime well before they landed. That is why he was on the ship. So Saren would know about the Beacon from reading Nihlus's reports before he died, which is all that is being referred to when he responds to Shepard claiming that the only reason he would know about the Beacon was because he was there. That is obviously not the case.

[Dwask117]

Ah, I see. Thanks a lot for clarifying that.

[KrrKs]

Well, Sarens "I was not impressed" -line would indicate that he did indeed read after-mission reports.

It is possible that he got the Aliance reports, too (via the council).

[CptFalconPunch]

I wonder if there are any inconsistensies in this game at all. I don't mean nitppickings, no story is perfect, but kinda important ones.

[Farangbaa]

I wonder if there are any inconsistensies in this game at all. I don't mean nitppickings, no story is perfect, but kinda important ones.

 

I give you: Tali

 

16 hours it takes from Shepard being knocked unconscious to reaching the Citadel. In this 16 hour time window, she does the following:

 

-Hear about Geth sightings (note that Eden Prime was the first incidence of Geth in Council space since forever)

-Find a geth who's heard Saren say Eden Prime was a victory (on some remote, uncharted world, I might add). Steal it's memory core.

-Get persued and shot by Saren's goons

-Get to the Citadel and the med clinic.

-Get treatment.

-Offer information to Fist, get set up and be saved by Commander Shepard.

 

There's massive time issues with Tali.. but also with that Geth unit. 

[Farangbaa]

About the opening post:

ME is set far in the future. Your iDiary and iAgenda will automatically write up reports for you, based on the **** you see through your iGlass and hear on your i(h)Earphones

[CptFalconPunch]

I give you: Tali

 

16 hours it takes from Shepard being knocked unconscious to reaching the Citadel. In this 16 hour time window, she does the following:

 

-Hear about Geth sightings (note that Eden Prime was the first incidence of Geth in Council space since forever)

-Find a geth who's heard Saren say Eden Prime was a victory (on some remote, uncharted world, I might add). Steal it's memory core.

-Get persued and shot by Saren's goons

-Get to the Citadel and the med clinic.

-Get treatment.

-Offer information to Fist, get set up and be saved by Commander Shepard.

 

There's massive time issues with Tali.. but also with that Geth unit. 

 I guess it seems a bit too squished chronologically, I wonder why they didn't increase the time gap. A simple edit would have fixed it. Still where does the game say it takes 16 hours? And does that count the amount of time I'm screwing around in my game time? It never seems to.

 

At least it isn't anything serious Was hoping for something better.

[KrrKs]

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the 16 hours come from a line Dr Chakwas says (it may depend on what dialogue option you pick, idk).

[Farangbaa]

Yeah it's said somewhere.. I dunno exactly where either.

And does that count the amount of time I'm screwing around in my game time? It never seems to.

Even if you'd screw around for a day or two the timing pretty much can't be done.

She actually goes into hiding from Saren's goons for a while too I think, but not sure on that.

[Dwask117]

Well, she certainly works fast.

[Jukaga]

About the opening post:

ME is set far in the future. Your iDiary and iAgenda will automatically write up reports for you, based on the **** you see through your iGlass and hear on your i(h)Earphones

 

Except when conversing with Reaper vanguards or Prothean VIs.

[CptFalconPunch]

Except when conversing with Reaper vanguards or Prothean VIs.

 

I think they do but they carry no weight since they could be fabricated. The only time an audio bank worked was when extracted from a Geth unit by Tali.

[BHRamsay]

Oh I got one.

Admiral Kohoku learns of his men's deaths onEdolus and in the time it takes Shepard to travel from the Council Chambers to the Csec docks, he...
contacted the Shadow Broker
got info on the Binthu installations
attracted Cerberus attention
went on therun,
got caught and taken to Binthu where he was killed

if your Shepard headed straight for the Voyager Cluster that leaves precious little time for Cerberus to find and kill the Admiral.

assume

[KrrKs]

That is really more of a gameplay issue, imagine to have to visit 3 additional star-systems before Binthu unlocks. Booooooring.

Afaik this is also one of the messages that is overwritten by most others (ie. the Luna briefing, and location specific contacts like Armstrong cluster or Klendagon).

[BHRamsay]

This is a petty one but funny nevertheless

I gave Emily Wong the data on Fist got on an elevator and immediately was hearing about Emilys corruption report.

[CptFalconPunch]

So most of the weird story stuff comes from gameplay issues. I'm pretty glad nothing major has shown for the plot of ME1, I can forgive minor mistakes.

Keep them coming though, its entertaining discussing about them.

[capn233]

Tali timing has been mentioned, but I always thought the fact that this audio file existed at all was a bit peculiar.  Mostly because they show a scene where an angry Saren speaks to Benezia about eliminating Shepard after informed that the colony was saved and the beacon was accessed.  The tone of the audio file / log is completely different.  Did they have that conversation before or after the scene we saw?

[KrrKs]

Tali timing has been mentioned, but I always thought the fact that this audio file existed at all was a bit peculiar.

Saren just likes to hear his own voice, so he livestreams all his dialogues to the geth out there. This way he can hear recordings of himself trying to sound badass whenever he feels lonely and has a geth nearby  ...  [/headcanon]

 

About the timing: Since there is no mention of Shepard or the Normandy, I'd guess it was before the cutscene --directly after the Sovereigns departure from Eden Prime.

 

Edit: Missing words

[HTTP 404]

I just chalked it up to Saren having access to everything Nihlus had access to such as the reports made in the Normandy.

[Big T]

I guess it seems a bit too squished chronologically, I wonder why they didn't increase the time gap. A simple edit would have fixed it. Still where does the game say it takes 16 hours? And does that count the amount of time I'm screwing around in my game time? It never seems to.
 
At least it isn't anything serious Was hoping for something better.

Brought the Tali timing issue up with a friend, he said her dad is a great geth researcher along with her. So she could have already been searching for geth intel on her pilgrimage, and heard about it in route.

[SporkFu]

The geth units we see on Eden Prime are just mobile platforms. Maybe they record everything, all the time, and store it in the 'cloud'. So...the actual geth are software and the program running the geth platform that Tali encountered had that recording 'tagged'. When Tali tried to grab all the data she could before the platform died, she just hit 'get all' on her omnitool. Voila. 

[CptFalconPunch]

You guys both bring good arguments to the table. It certainly provides good plot armor.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

That is really more of a gameplay issue, imagine to have to visit 3 additional star-systems before Binthu unlocks. Booooooring.

Afaik this is also one of the messages that is overwritten by most others (ie. the Luna briefing, and location specific contacts like Armstrong cluster or Klendagon).

 

There is also the fact that a Space Travel from one Side of the Galaxy to the other isn't done in Seconds, or minutes...

[MrFob]

I wonder if there are any inconsistensies in this game at all. I don't mean nitppickings, no story is perfect, but kinda important ones.

 

Well, the Tali timing is a bit odd but then, Shepard was unconscious for 16 hours. That doesn't mean that they arrived at the Citadel after 16 hours. For all we know it may have taken a few days to get there.

As a matter of fact, the entire space travel timing thing is completely off in the entire trilogy. For example, in the intro, during the brief time it takes Shepard to walk through the CIC, the Normandy apparently flies from earth (at least Jupiter) to the Charon relay at sub-light speeds from the looks of it.

But whatever,the timing of  space travel is always screwed up in SciFi. And whatever Tali managed to do or not to do in a short (though unknown) period of time, while weird, is not impossible.

 

One other weird thing is that ME1 is supposed to play out entirely in the year 2183. However, there are two armistice days in the game. Once when Ash toasts to it on the Normandy and again when Terra Firma has their little demo in the wards at the end.

 

What? Did you say no nitpicks? Ah, but this is important stuff!