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[Obadiah]

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With the mission parameters fulfilled the T800 instructs them to have him lowered into the steel as he can not self terminate.
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I sort of get the impression from the Catalyst's behavior (ex. explaining low EMS destroy) that some of that may have been happening - it is a conflicted character that wanted to end it's search (which Control does as well) since it discovered that the Reaper cycle it had enacted was doomed to failure.

As an AI, I wonder if it was forced to enact the Reaper Cycle from a purely logical deduction, but over time developed conflicted... feelings(?)... about it.

[ZipZap2000]

I have 4-5  runs through the series so I have them all. Hard to tell which I like the most they all have reasonable pros and cons.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There are many other reasons for choosing destroy. For one, they're going around destroying all of our breweries, and distilleries. The bastards! If that isn't enough of a reason to destroy them, I don't know what is. And the Geth, too! No appreciation for spirits. Even Batarians made some damned fine ale so they were worth something.

[KaiserShep]

It would make me a hypocrite if I acknowledged the Geth as sentient beings ( which I do ) and then turned around and killed them all without acknowledging their rights to exist ( and for those of you that say that they can be rebuilt, I think you guys are missing the point, physically they can be rebuilt but that won't bring back the individuality of the millions of Geth you terminated, it does not change the fact that you eradicated the souls of millions ).

 

I don't agree that it would make Shepard a hypocrite to acknowledge EDI and the geth as living things then turn around and go through them to destroy the reapers. Acknowledging one's right to exist does not necessarily preclude putting that aside if it means coming to a permanent resolution to a major threat such as the reapers, seeing as how their fates are tied inextricably. It basically comes down to whether or not one believes that destroying the reapers once and for all seems like the best resolution for the war and for the galaxy, and that it's worth the extinction of a particular race to get there. Some may be willing to sacrifice any of the alien races, or perhaps even all of them, to get there.

[AlanC9]

I used to put up a hypothetical alternate ending for ME3. Shepard uses the Crucible to set off a nova-class explosion from the Citadel Relay. The allied fleets are FTLing out and escape, but the bulk of the Reaper forces remain in Sol and are annihilated, leaving few enough so organics can win conventionally. On the downside, 99.5 % of the human race is vaporized, along with the surviving ME2 squadmates and, of course, Shepard himself. Not quite genocide, but close. One typical response was that this was better than the existing options, since if Shepard is going to throw any species under the bus it should be his own.

[KaiserShep]

All this wiping out entire species stuff gets kind of old. I sure hope the next ME game avoids that nonsense.

[ImaginaryMatter]

All this wiping out entire species stuff gets kind of old. I sure hope the next ME game avoids that nonsense.

 

I hope they avoid absolutes if there has to be any large scale decision making (like choosing whether species A or species B goes extinct). If there does have to be any decisions affecting anything larger than a planet I hope it will be more political or economical in nature.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I disagree. I like having the options to have the fate of the galaxy in the palm of my hand. One species survival is my own to decide.

 

It's like being god. It is being god. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I disagree. I like having the options to have the fate of the galaxy in the palm of my hand. One species survival is my own to decide.

 

It's like being god. It is being god. 

 

I'm afraid I don't quite have your aspirations.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I'm afraid I don't quite have your aspirations.

 

Your loss. I have empires to build.

[Farangbaa]

I disagree. I like having the options to have the fate of the galaxy in the palm of my hand. One species survival is my own to decide.
 
It's like being god. It is being god.

And people still doubt whether this guy is Massively or not?

[SporkFu]

There are many other reasons for choosing destroy. For one, they're going around destroying all of our breweries, and distilleries. The bastards! If that isn't enough of a reason to destroy them, I don't know what is. And the Geth, too! No appreciation for spirits. Even Batarians made some damned fine ale so they were worth something.

Aethyta approves of killing reapers for this reason... and I do too. 

[SporkFu]

I used to put up a hypothetical alternate ending for ME3. Shepard uses the Crucible to set off a nova-class explosion from the Citadel Relay. The allied fleets are FTLing out and escape, but the bulk of the Reaper forces remain in Sol and are annihilated, leaving few enough so organics can win conventionally. On the downside, 99.5 % of the human race is vaporized, along with the surviving ME2 squadmates and, of course, Shepard himself. Not quite genocide, but close. One typical response was that this was better than the existing options, since if Shepard is going to throw any species under the bus it should be his own.

Sounds a bit like a one-shot genophage, where one in a thousand survive. IIRC, though, there are eleven billion people on Earth in the time of the trilogy... that means fifty-five million survivors initially, then you gotta figure out the post-war attrition rate; starvation, disease, survival of the fittest, etc. Still, should have a fairly good gene-pool to continue the human race... at least for a while. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Sounds a bit like a one-shot genophage, where one in a thousand survive. IIRC, though, there are eleven billion people on Earth in the time of the trilogy... that means fifty-five million survivors initially, then you gotta figure out the post-war attrition rate; starvation, disease, survival of the fittest, etc. Still, should have a fairly good gene-pool to continue the human race... at least for a while. 

 

Too bad Shepard dies or else he could go around siring a new glorious generation of humans.

 

Edit: Random question, maybe along the lines of Tali sweat, but how did the Lazarus Project affect Shepard's ability to propagate?

[Mordokai]

And people still doubt whether this guy is Massively or not?

 

There was ever a doubt?

 

Faith in humanity... lost... again.

[FOX216BC]

Destroy because my Shepard is the Reapers salvation through destruction.

[Raizo]

I don't agree that it would make Shepard a hypocrite to acknowledge EDI and the geth as living things then turn around and go through them to destroy the reapers. Acknowledging one's right to exist does not necessarily preclude putting that aside if it means coming to a permanent resolution to a major threat such as the reapers, seeing as how their fates are tied inextricably. It basically comes down to whether or not one believes that destroying the reapers once and for all seems like the best resolution for the war and for the galaxy, and that it's worth the extinction of a particular race to get there. Some may be willing to sacrifice any of the alien races, or perhaps even all of them, to get there.

I understand where your coming from and I do understand the logic behind the decision but for me I don't really have any options when it comes to ME3 ending, I cannot condone the genocide of an entires pieces especially since they are more or less innocent, I cannot become Hitler.

[linnda]

I'm little late for the party having just finished ME3 for the first time and I don't know where to pour all my feelings but yea.

I chose the synthesis ending because my Shepard had just aided making peace between geth and quarians and helped EDI and Joker to get together.. (also I loved Legion, what a darling) And it wasn't his style to sacrifice for the greater good.

It was still hard decision between destroy and that. (Because he had lover waiting and I didn't want him to die and he didn't trust everything the catalyst said etc.) In the end I think that that was right decision for that playthrough, my Shepard was too gentle for destroy, he wanted always to save everyone :>

[von uber]

And people still doubt whether this guy is Massively or not?

I knew it was him from the first post. He's certainly unique.

[KaiserShep]

I understand where your coming from and I do understand the logic behind the decision but for me I don't really have any options when it comes to ME3 ending, I cannot condone the genocide of an entires pieces especially since they are more or less innocent, I cannot become Hitler.

 

Comparisons to Hitler and whatnot can get a bit squicky around these parts, but I'd really like to address it, because it's really unfitting that any of the decisions made at the end of the game can even be remotely compared to the choices made by the Nazis.

 

For starters, the deaths of allied synthetics in the series is not an active decision made by the protagonist in and of itself, which is a very important distinction. Shepard did not facilitate their deaths with the actual intent of getting rid of them. After all, if the geth are still alive at this point, obviously the intention was to keep them alive to see the end of the war, and potentially even join the rest of galactic society. Obviously, this all changes once the arbitrary connection to the reapers is established. And on that note, it's the reapers themselves that can make any option pretty much justified. After all, they are a continued threat to anything and everything we know. Even as the Catalyst wastes Shepard's time with its ancient AI-ness, allied forces are still being blown up and vaporized all around him/her, which makes the Catalyst's statement that it controls them all the more frustrating. The only ones in which the protagonist is intentionally eradicating in their entirety are the reapers, and that certainly isn't comparable, since they are an enemy combatant.

 

Aside from that, each choice presents a serious problem. Like, what the hell is Synthesis anyway? Some weird thing that a machine that thinks liquifying people leads to ascension is pushing it as the optimal solution, and the other is basically something that we've been fighting against for the entire plot. And then to even make these things come to fruition, the protagonist has to commit suicide to do so, and personally, I'd very likely have the audacity to put my own life above that of my enemy. That some of my allies are tied to them would be unfortunate, but my goal first and foremost would be to destroy the enemy and liberate the galaxy from their presence once and for all, and all other considerations would be secondary. Hitler suffered no such dilemma. This isn't accounting for any person's crazy delusions at the time, but I certainly wouldn't indulge that.

 

That said, I understand the reasons why some refuse to ever consider destroying the reapers, but I defy that this decision is in any way comparable to the extermination of millions of people in the death camps.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

And people still doubt whether this guy is Massively or not?

 

Meh. Hats and faces come and go. I just wish you guys weren't so... open about 'OMG it's somebody!' unless you actively wanted them to get banned. It's rather inconsiderate, and I highly doubt anyone sans David ever pissed anyone off enough to want to ban them permanently. Sure, the guy you're on about may have held some... controversial opinions, but did he ever do or say anything that made you dislike him permanently? I know he was abrasive, but was he really mean-spirited? Most of the time?

 

I've never understood how a person who wants and craves as much power as possible is always labeled as someone unworthy of wielding it. ASOIAF has taught me so much.

 

Yeah, I'd take power, and I'd be willing to use what people would consider not only questionable but downright despicable means to get it. But at the end of the day, I think I'd also use it far better than most other people too.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I understand where your coming from and I do understand the logic behind the decision but for me I don't really have any options when it comes to ME3 ending, I cannot condone the genocide of an entires pieces especially since they are more or less innocent, I cannot become Hitler.

 

You're not becoming Hitler. Committing genocide does not make one automatically evil. 

 

Especially if there is a real, specific benefit or virtue behind it. If the greater good, your duty, calls for sacrifice, then you sacrifice what you must. 

 

Steel your compassion. Set it aside. It's just going to make you feel bad and question your decision, which is the last thing you should do.

[themikefest]

All this wiping out entire species stuff gets kind of old. I sure hope the next ME game avoids that nonsense.

I like having it in the game. Flipping a coin who I choose to save, not save or get rid of both if possible. Cool.

[Elhanan]

Usually select the Synthetic option to neutralize hostility, and make peace through unity. This option seemed to appeal more to my Engn and Sentinel Shepards, though I have selected it for all the classes utilized in the game.

And I only used Paragon, so did not approach the conclusions from a Renegade perspective. But I did use the other options with other Sheps out of curiosity.

[Dabrikishaw]

All this wiping out entire species stuff gets kind of old. I sure hope the next ME game avoids that nonsense.

Old? As far as I'm concerned it's the opposite. Mass Effect 3 is literally the only game I know of that can allow me to wipe out whole species at once, and frankly it's the best part for me.