The Geth and EDI cannot be revived because what made them who they are was Reaper code and you decided to destroy that.
EDI was destroyed once before on Luna, and yet after Cerberus rebuilt and upgraded her she retained some memories of her time on Luna.
EDI might not necessarily be 'dead' and gone for good, but it rebuilt how much of her former memories, experiences, and personality would she retain? I'd assume something would be lost. Same person, different personality basically.
I'm not so sure. The geth did rebel, three hundred years before the reapers were even on the scene. Perhaps the Rannoch resolution was the first time peace worked.
That wasn't a rebellion however. In that case it was the creators who attacked their creation.
EDI was destroyed once before on Luna, and yet after Cerberus rebuilt and upgraded her she retained some memories of her time on Luna.
EDI might not necessarily be 'dead' and gone for good, but it rebuilt how much of her former memories, experiences, and personality would she retain? I'd assume something would be lost. Same person, different personality basically.
Sure her code was saved, and put into a new quantum bluebox.
Which randomized her personality.
True, the quarians reacted badly to the geth's new self-awareness. But the geth could have submitted. How many rebels fought just causes, or because they believed they were protecting themselves.That wasn't a rebellion however. In that case it was the creators who attacked their creation.
Sure her code was saved, and put into a new quantum bluebox.
Which randomized her personality.
...source?
That wasn't a rebellion however. In that case it was the creators who attacked their creation.
Doesn't matter which side attacks first. It's still a rebellion by definition.
The Catalyst actually seems to indicate that it's organics that cause it, not synthetics.
In Low/Mid-EMS runs (where he's hostile towards Shepard) he adds: "You bring it on yourselves."
Destroy IMO is a Reset-to-Factory-Defaults wave. All machines go back to default settings.
Only a minor setback for standard machines, but effectively death for the sentient ones.
...source?
Codex:
An artificial intelligence is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Creation of conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a "blue box".
An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations.
EDI was destroyed once before on Luna, and yet after Cerberus rebuilt and upgraded her she retained some memories of her time on Luna.
EDI might not necessarily be 'dead' and gone for good, but it rebuilt how much of her former memories, experiences, and personality would she retain? I'd assume something would be lost. Same person, different personality basically.
While this is left to our imagination in the end, I can't help but think that if this were to be detailed more, it would basically come down to everything down to the most basic files would be eradicated to make sure the coffin stays sealed.
Codex:
An artificial intelligence is a self-aware computing system capable of learning and independent decision making. Creation of conscious AI requires adaptive code, a slow, expensive education, and a specialized quantum computer called a "blue box".
An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations.
Huh. Yeah, it's been a while since I've read the codex. Mad points to you.
Hell, if the Leviathans weren't dipsh1ts to begin with, they wouldn't have bothered creating an AI to solve their problem in the first place, they'd have just done what the Protheans did, ie. wipe out any Synthetics when they became a problem.
Yes Callisto,
My finger was always pointing at the Leviathan turds for causing all this to begin with (but then we wouldn't have a fun game).
As has been suggested -- use the CONTROL ending and go after Leviathan.
In fact, I’d pay $100 for a DLC that would put Leviathan on trial – to “hang by the neck until dead”. Just think about it: we’d know the origins of Leviathan then Shep would testify that it said “we enslaved all races to serve us” (Javik gets nervous) and “in order to preserve our slaves, we came up with this [infallible] plan so that we wouldn’t have to mop the floors ourselves…”
However since the ghost of Alfred Hitchcock writes the ending of Bioware games, then we, the jury will be forced to choose from one of the 3 endings:
(1) The ashes of countless trillions cannot be found – trial dismissed, Leviathan goes free, Javik commits suicide.
(2) It is proven that too many people believe in the indoctrination theory – therefore the whole thing is made up (or just a dream) – trial dismissed, Leviathan goes free, Javik commits suicide – followed by our resident Prothean worshiper and some hanar.
(3) The defense convinces the [rigged and palm-greased-by-TIM] judge that Leviathan should be dismissed on the grounds of INSANITY -- – trial dismissed, Leviathan goes free, Javik commits suicide – followed by our resident Prothean worshiper – followed by Shep who was romantically involved. Leviathan repeats his Catalyst cycle-2, and 37 million years later they play a video game where pissed off players will read Vigil2 archives of how there were ONLY 3 endings.
…..but then my upper-left brain just confused my lower-right side of my brain.
….bad idea….
disregard
^^ I'm just glad that all the time, trouble and effort I went to to find the Leviathans, and convince them to fight alongside us, wasn't wasted. Their crucial role in the endgame can't begin to be calculated. Seriously, I don't know where to begin...
I find it troubling that Shepard doesn't react to the Leviathans claims to reassert themselves at the top of the galactic hierarchy.
I find it troubling that Shepard doesn't react to the Leviathans claims to reassert themselves at the top of the galactic hierarchy.
What was s/he supposed to do at the time. Tell them to better can that thought and only do what S/he wants. I can see how that would play out:
Shepard: "You better stop that line of thought you dumb cuttlefish jerks. You'll be good little squids and won't even think about reclaiming your status of the apex race or I'll make sure to kill you all."
Leviathan: "Silence human." *Hits Shepards diving mech, which breaks and Sheprd gets crushed under deep sea pressure like a coca cola can.*
The Leviathans pretty much hold all the trumps in this scenario.
^^ I'm just glad that all the time, trouble and effort I went to to find the Leviathans, and convince them to fight alongside us, wasn't wasted. Their crucial role in the endgame can't begin to be calculated. Seriously, I don't know where to begin...
shep: Hey Garrus. What are you doing?
Garrus: I'm getting some troubling readings here, shepard, but having difficulty nailing them down. Give me a sec.
Legion: This platform can be of some assistance, Garrus Vakarian.
Garrus: Why I am the only one it addresses by full name?
shep: *shrugs*
Legion: You are turian.
Garrus: So?
Legion: Turians are known to become uptight when encountering impropriety.
Garrus: ***hole.
Legion: Hypothesis confirmed.
shep: You really need to lighten up, Garrus, you know that?
Garrus: I know, I know.... Now, did you want something, flashlight-head?
Legion: Telemetry data indicates the calibration of Normandy's sarcasm detection sensors can be improved by .32 percent.
Garrus: That's all? you can't squeeze .34 percent out of it?
Legion: Negative. That threshold is not possible.
Garrus: You sure?
shep: Betcha twenty credits it is possible.
Legion: Agreed.
Garrus: Take a look now.
Legion: Scanning... Normandy's sarcasm detection sensors have been improved by a margin of .43 percent.
shep: *fist pump*
Legion: How did you accomplish this?
Garrus: it's a little secret we organics like to keep; never bet against commander Shepard.
James *scrubbing toilets with a Cision Pro mk IV* : I did, once.
shep: Once... and I better see my face in that latrine the next time I use it, mister.
James: Uhh... *bursts out laughing*
shep: What's so funny?
Garrus *snicker* That didn't sound right, shepard. Not at all.
shep: Both of you shut up.
Traynor *over the comm* : Has anyone seen my toothbrush?
shep: Everyone scatter!
Destroy, there is no way I allow the reapers to live if given a choice that kills them. Maybe if they had sent someone more appealing than star brat guess we will never know now. Never had a good vibe with control and the other one is the grand daddy of all war crimes. Sometimes I just shoot the kid for that ending if I have been drinking.
Choosing refuse and then calling synthesis a war crime. ROTFL.
I find it troubling that Shepard doesn't react to the Leviathans claims to reassert themselves at the top of the galactic hierarchy.
I don't suppose it really matters. It's not like they have the capacity to take the galaxy over anyway, and they can easily be wiped out from orbit.
What? You question my logic? The only problem you could have is if you sided with Jack and didn't warn her about Kai Lame and help her save Oriana. In those cases she could be dead, in which case your odds of survival would be small.
But... there is another option... See there is "the clone" and if there was one clone, there is perhaps another. And Liara, IF you were wise and took her gift, she has your soul in her mind, and can meld and implant all of your memories into a new clone before it is awakened.
WOW...I do appreciate your optimism, which makes me feel much better about the Destroy ending.
Hope is still there. 
True, the quarians reacted badly to the geth's new self-awareness. But the geth could have submitted. How many rebels fought just causes, or because they believed they were protecting themselves.
Is defending oneself against genocide not a just cause? Is protecting yourself not a just cause in general?
Why should the Geth have submitted to the Quarians?
Is defending oneself against genocide not a just cause? Is protecting yourself not a just cause in general?
Again, didn't say they should have. Said that when the quarians attempted to pull the plug, the geth could have let it happen. They didn't, so.... rebellion.Why should the Geth have submitted to the Quarians?
Was not even an option. Destroy at 7100 EMS (Yeah, I did grind the Browsergame for 2 days at work and then did not let me PS3 connect to the interwebs anymore ^^).
Only ending in my book that made even remotely sense for me, with my playstyle. Not being a Renegade mind you.
Refusal... yeah... no.
Control... Seriously? Giving in to the reapers and thinking like TIM and just having "their" word that all will be good? I dont think so.
Synthesis? Same thing. Because they would never change their mind right? Plus some other... evil stuff.
I chose to believe that the plotholes led to some of the other stuff. Like EDIs name on the wall. Joker flew through the hole... calmly I might add. Also I chose to believe that she can be rebuild again and/or even retains all/some of her individuality. Since it happend before.
And the Geth.. while I loved their subplot(Even though making peace between the Quarians and Geth is pretty much one of the ME3 Endings >_>), I am fairly certain, that a LOT of them have survived as code. At the very least in the Quarians they are trying to fix.
Here is to hoping, that BW will fix some stuff in the beginning of the new game and wont let the trilogy die in vain.
Yeah, i'm one of those...
What I pick depends on the Shepard, but I find Synthesis an increasingly hard sell. I sided with the geth last playthrough. So hearing the geth prime's intention to help us rebuild was the last straw. Everything the story shows me suggests the Catalyst is insane, at least on a Paragon, reasonably successful path. EDI is astonishingly human and willing to die to preserve her mental processes. The geth have had their "Synthesis moment." The krogan under Wrex are breaking free of prior destructive patterns. So why exactly do I need to change the whole world in an eyeblink?
I suspect Synthesis plays better with a remorseful Renegade who sees a drastic change as preferable to the present grimness.
Synthesis? Same thing. Because they would never change their mind right? Plus some other... evil stuff.
But..but...the strengths of both! The weaknesses of neither!
But..but...the strengths of both! The weaknesses of neither!
True True... if ya wanna take the word of that kid that is hard at work wiping out all life if you look outside the window of his little room. He would never lie right?
I can't really remember, but wouldnt that also mean that a few million or so husks, for example, have to be mercy killed because they would turn into pretty messed up beings with a conscious? I might be wrong though.
But anyhow, if you prefer Synthesis, great! It is your ending after all.
And like I said, if BW is smart about it, we could have different openings for our preferred ending in the new game. Disclaimer: I have no hope for that either ^^
Edit: I might have missed Irony in your post. If so, sowwy ^^
Retour en haut