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[dogstar12]

Destroy My Shepard survived at the end

Control was not a choice as they is too much bad blood between the reapers and other races.

Synthesis As the Catalyst said it did not work before as it was forced on people

[Iakus]

True True... if ya wanna take the word of that kid that is hard at work wiping out all life if you look outside the window of his little room. He would never lie right?

I can't really remember, but wouldnt that also mean that a few million or so husks, for example, have to be mercy killed because they would turn into pretty messed up beings with a conscious? I might be wrong though.

 

But anyhow, if you prefer Synthesis, great! It is your ending after all.

And like I said, if BW is smart about it, we could have different openings for our preferred ending in the new game. Disclaimer: I have no hope for that either ^^

 

Edit: I might have missed Irony in your post. If so, sowwy ^^

Yes, yes you did

 

I was actually quoting Saren in ME1

[InWeirdPeril]

Yes, yes you did

 

I was actually quoting Saren in ME1

 

Never mind then

[Iakus]

"The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined.  The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither.  I am a vision of the future, Shepard.  The evolution of all organic life.  This is our destiny."

 

Compare how closely it mirrors the Catalyst urging Shepard to pick Synthesis.

[InWeirdPeril]

Been a while since I played the 1st one. But yeah, only supports my decision in choosing the red ending

For even more reasons now!

[Farangbaa]

Lets talk for a moment about how ridiculous it is that in 2183 machines and organics aren't intertwined already.

 

We can already make prostethic limbs that are controlled by your 'thoughts'.

[ZipZap2000]

Except that Saren hasn't had his DNA altered. He's just a Turian with a synthetic arm and a Reaper implant in his head.

[Vazgen]

Destroy for me seemed the most logical solution (perhaps Refusal as well but it just sucks )

 

If I fought someone for 2+ years and then that enemy tells me that I can a) control them (what others have tried and failed) can basically do what he tried to achieve all this time and c) destroy him, destroying a whole race, a friend, mass relays etc. in a process... I would pick Destroy, simply because I don't trust him enough to sacrifice myself for a vague promise of peace

[Iakus]

Except that Saren hasn't had his DNA altered. He's just a Turian with a synthetic arm and a Reaper implant in his head.

 

And who's huskified body can be remote-controlled by Sovereign after death...

[RiptideX1090]

Come on guys! Reject the (Illusive) man! Rebel against the system! Shoot the tube!

 

One of us! One of us! One of us!

 

But seriously, I guess one of the things about the endings was they were supposed to be speculative, right? Is it wrong that my, ah, "speculations", involve this bizarre mental image of Tali putting an N7 band-aid on a geth's flashlight head and kissing it better? And of course each patient gets a smiley face sticker to put on their head flaps.

 

Unfortunately quarian smiley face stickers are just a mask, so you can't actually see the smiley face, but it's like, implied or something.

 

I feel like there should be chibi art of this somewhere.

[KaiserShep]

Lets talk for a moment about how ridiculous it is that in 2183 machines and organics aren't intertwined already.
 
We can already make prostethic limbs that are controlled by your 'thoughts'.

Well, they kinda are, but in the form of cybernetics. Really, it's probably unlikely that the masses will just fuse themselves with synthetics just for the sake of doing so. There has to be greater incentive other than the claim that it will make you run faster or something. The quarians are an example of a race that would have the most incentive. Asari, turians, krogan and humans are not.

[RiptideX1090]

Well, they kinda are, but in the form of cybernetics. Really, it's probably unlikely that the masses will just fuse themselves with synthetics just for the sake of doing so. There has to be greater incentive other than the claim that it will make you run faster or something. The quarians are an example of a race that would have the most incentive. Asari, turians, krogan and humans are not.

 

Not true. One of the planet scanning War Assets you can acquire actually discusses an asari Sniper Unit that augments themselves with cybernetic arms so they can fire the Widow with ease. It's the Armali Sniper Unit, I think?

 

I mean... I don't think EVERYONE is gonna lop off a few limbs for mechanical ones. Especially in a setting where anyone with a decent omni-tool could probably hack your cybernetics and, I don't know, make them explode or something. But people do have them.

[Bellethiel]

I usually go with destroy. I was not fighting reapers through three games just to let them go away with it in the end.

 

I can understand people choosing control, looking at ways in which you can actually use reapers for your own benefit, but after they took all these lives it seems to be a bit awkward situation. On monday reaper killed your whole family and on tuesday it is hepling with rebuilding your planet. Pretty sure some people would have issues with trusting reapers after that.

 

Synthesis ending will bother me forever. I don't even... Space magic must be. Idea of some wave of Shepard particles or god knows what that was turning organics into half-synthetics and the other way around does not convince me, especially looking at species variety. And even if crucible designers would include some informations about all species in existance there it was designed by previous cycles, so unless they had future seeing people idk how that works on everyone with no problem.

 

And how nice of crucible to have all these functions. I can accept that it can "kill" reapers, or control them, but synthesis is just beyond my understanding.

 

Not to mention that you basically turn everyone into... whatever they are without their permission so yeaah way to go. Big NO for that one.

[Vazgen]

I can't choose synthesis after seeing this

[Bellethiel]

Well that's disturbing. And one more reason to dislike synthesis. Sad part is it seems like a real possibility since synthesis didn't kill anything...

Does that mean some people have reaper-zombie family members under their roof? 

[Vazgen]

Looks like it... Also, notice that the Reapers themselves are neither destroyed or controlled. This plan always seemed like a mass Reaper-style "ascension" to me. It is only possible with high EMS, when you present a larger threat to their plans...

[KaiserShep]

Not true. One of the planet scanning War Assets you can acquire actually discusses an asari Sniper Unit that augments themselves with cybernetic arms so they can fire the Widow with ease. It's the Armali Sniper Unit, I think?

 

I mean... I don't think EVERYONE is gonna lop off a few limbs for mechanical ones. Especially in a setting where anyone with a decent omni-tool could probably hack your cybernetics and, I don't know, make them explode or something. But people do have them.

 

But in this example, this is a group within a military force that is augmenting themselves with the sole purpose of giving them the advantage of being able to use a weapon that most other organics can't. I don't mean to say that nobody would have this sort of thing, but in general, unless people have some other need, they'd generally not be keen on committing to permanent, substantial changes to their bodies. Having certain implants and such are one thing, but replacing whole limbs is another. The likelihood of your average human being having their arms replaced with synthetic arms, despite not needing them prior to the procedure, is remote.

[Iakus]

But in this example, this is a group within a military force that is augmenting themselves with the sole purpose of giving them the advantage of being able to use a weapon that most other organics can't. I don't mean to say that nobody would have this sort of thing, but in general, unless people have some other need, they'd generally not be keen on committing to permanent, substantial changes to their bodies. Having certain implants and such are one thing, but replacing whole limbs is another. The likelihood of your average human being having their arms replaced with synthetic arms, despite not needing them prior to the procedure, is remote.

 

"I never asked for this..."

[Dale]

First, I admit I haven't YET had the opportunity to read all the previous threads -- put plan to when time permits.

 

I have a question for you DESTROY fanatics out there.   I’ve been thinking this thru every time I play the ME1,2,3 series.   After playing them all & thinking about the eventual outcome – I can’t help but wonder what is BEST solution for the galaxy…rather than just what’s good for Shep.

 

SYNTHESIS looks like all “sunshine & bunnies”  but this option is forcing Shep’s will upon all life, both organic & artificial.   IMO, that is invasive and won’t allow free choice.   Second, that’s what Catalyst wants and I oppose it.

 

DESTROY:  feels good – but if I recall, it also destroys the mass relays which leaves the galaxy in total chaos.  In the last moments, Hackett gave the order to “meet at the specified rendezvous point” wherever that is.   If the mass relays are destroyed after the dispersal, then it looks to me that everybody is screwed…they can’t get home & rebuild their worlds.   Our galaxy happens to be 100,000 light years in diameter.  At FTL speeds (say 10x) from were Sol is located, that’d take on the average about 4,000 years to reach home – assuming you have inexhaustible fuel & food.   That’s not going to happen.   Did I miss something?

 

CONTROL:  permits the reapers to rebuild mass relays and the citadel and make a STAB to rebuild the worlds utterly destroyed with the information & knowledge they’ve acquired via previous galactic harvests.   This IMO is not invasive as synthesis & doesn’t leave everything in smoldering ruins.    Once there is some order restored, Shep can then dispose of the reapers as he originally wanted to.

 

Thoughts?

[KaiserShep]

Each choice comes with tons of questions that will never be answered, and are ultimately tossed aside, since each version, particularly high-EMS Control and Destroy along with Synthesis, shows that everything is pretty much OK despite some of the things we wonder about. The relays were basically retcon'ed to be severely damaged in Destroy, and presumably fixable, and even a race that lives way off on the outer rim of the galaxy, the quarians, seems to be doing just fine, wherever they actually are in that slide.

 

Control and Synthesis irk me the most, because they would be the most complex, since, after all, there's still frikkin' reapers everywhere right after they were killing everyone by the millions. You don't just gloss over the innumerable casualties and shrug that off in just a few days. People will be accounting for their dead and missing, raising memorials, and remembering for quite a long time exactly what it was that did all this: their new gorram overlords.

[CaIIisto]

The mass relays are damaged in the Destroy ending, just as the Citadel itself is heavily damaged. Hackett States that everything that has been lost can be rebuilt, which then includes the slide of the rebuilt Citadel. Fairly safe to assume that the relays are also repaired.

The slide show shows Samara and her daughter on Thessia. Last I heard, they were at the Monastery, which is in the Nimbus Cluster. Thessia is in the Athena Nebula, which granted, is relatively close to the Nimbus Cluster however still far enough away to require relays in both. Samara making it back to Thessia would indicate that the relays are repaired sooner rather than later. Also looks like Wrex and Grunt are back on Tuchanka.....

Beyond that, the slides show a thriving Quarian society and extensive rebuild jobs either done or being done on Earth, Thessia and Tuchanka. Looks like life isn't too bad in the long run, and all done without being 'synthesised' or under the threat of either the Reapers flipping again, or Faux-Shepard deciding that actually, the Bratalyst had a point.

Synthesis is a flat out no. As is Refusal. Only leaves Destroy or Control. I'd rather take the short term pain and then continue without the Reapers being around in any guise, than living with the suspicion that one day they could do it all over again.

[themikefest]

In destroy the galaxy can be rebuilt depending what the player' ems is. Below 1750, it will take who knows how long to rebuild. Thousand years maybe or more.

[Bellethiel]

DESTROY:  feels good – but if I recall, it also destroys the mass relays which leaves the galaxy in total chaos. 

 

If I remember right, before extended cut happened, relays were clearly exploding like on beyond reparation level. In extendet cut you just see smaller explosions which looked more like damage which could be repaired.

[Gladerunner]

What Bioware managed to do is make each option equally detestable. No option is the clear right or best choice.

Destroy is the safest option, in which sentient life chooses and continues it's existence. Almost every character agrees they must be destroyed, and it's everything that's advertised. I picked Destroy once, but only because the chance Shepard survives is a major boon. That said, with all his implants shot, and the Citadel crippled, it's unlikely anyone would find him, let alone save him.

While the Geth may be destroyed, it's a safe assumption that the Quarians will reattempt or renew their AI supremacy.
While EDI may be destroyed, perhaps she could be restored from archive. If ships with computers that manage life support survive, and Quarians with life suits survive, surely the damage to the Geth and EDI is repairable.

Control was never initially my favoured option, but I see that it might actually be the Paragon option. No further 'lives' are lost, and the collateral damage is minimal. Shepard sets the directives for the Reapers, for the greater good or further control.

While it does mean agreeing with the Illusive Man, promote the Reaper mindset, and run the risk of being a trap, the only downside is that Shepard must sacrifice his entirety to accomplish it. Surely an entire meld wasn't necessary. I would have loved the possibility of uploading the Shepard VI in Shepard's stead, letting it's humorous Paragon or Renegade alignment control the Reapers.

Synthesis was my first choice. I was drawn in by the sparkly green light, which was a testament to my high EMS. Green is my favoured color, and initially, I happily accepted it. Having given it much more thought, I know it is only good decision if technology supercedes opportunity. Because we can do something, does that mean we should? While we can create a utopia for all beings, how long will it last? Empowering every race does not change the fact that we now have super powered people who are still emotionally flawed.

Mordin explains thoroughly that technology before readiness is seldomly good. Legion rehearsed Sovereigns speech, where acceptin one path blinds you to others. I'm sure each squadmate would have picked Destroy, and only those indoctrinated would have advocated otherwise.

With all these Reapers standing around (and creepy but voluptuous Banshees) I assume after the relays are fixed, the majority of the Reaper forces would return to Dark space or the Omega 4 relay, and return only if the need is great.a token amount of reapers would remain, to protect and guide I suppose. Which does beg the question on how long coexistence would last.

And which ending best prepared the Galaxy for the impending Dark Matter issue?

All this said, I'd have to go with control. Sure, Shepard doesn't survive, but he exists eternally. And eventually, he'll/she'll use Reaper Tech to grow himself/herself a body, to live their romance to the end.

[Dale]

Vigil clearly indicated that the Protheans were "just understanding how the mass relays work".     Yes, both Hackett and Shep said (more or less) "things can be rebuilt" but not ALL things.  They didn't even know what the crucible would do -- much less the citadel.

 

I can't see how ANY race could rebuild the MANY giant mass relays except the reapers that created them in the first place (including citadel).   Therefore it seems the only option to do that is via CONTROL.   After that, Shep can dispose of them.