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[CaIIisto]

The Sheplyst isn't Shepard though, it's Faux-Shepard. It may do what Shepard would have done, or it may not. 

 

Too much of a gamble.

 

Re the relays;

 

- The current cycles can't build relays, but I don't think anything was said about repairing them, which presumably would be easier to do.

- Even the above might be erroneous, as the Asari had previously floated the idea of building their own relays

- The current cycle's top scientists are all in one place, having just finished building the Crucible. If this cycle is ever going to learn how to make the relays work then surely there's no better time

- The mass relays are Reaper tech - if only we had loads of inert Reaper tech around that could be reverse-engineered to see how it might work......

[xassantex]

Synthesis is awful. Seeing those little husks become lovey duvey is sick. They were human beings that got defiled by the Reapers (or the AI ) and now they will live happily ever after ? ...not to mention Banshees, Brutes ,... and i can see Garrus having dinner with his cousin who had been turned into a Marauder. 

Maybe if i had seen them being retroverted to their original selves i would have gone along with it.. but ..not.

[CaIIisto]

 

I never realised we got a CTRL+ALT+DEL ending....

 

 

Re Synthesis - on the bright side, at least Javik can take a trip through the Omega 4 relay and chill out with his Prothe....erm, sorry, his Collector buddies.....

[KaiserShep]

Re Synthesis - on the bright side, at least Javik can take a trip through the Omega 4 relay and chill out with his Prothe....erm, sorry, his Collector buddies....

 

Javik: In my cycle, I would have shot you all on sight and burned your corpses for good measah, which I did countless times, but you make remarkable beverages. What is in this?

 

Collector: Click-graw-kukuku-gluclickekikikiclick.

 

Javik: I can really taste the fear in this human ale. Perhaps the reapahs did not remove everything of worth from you.

[in it for the lolz]

My ending:

Destory.

 

Why?

Suffer not the xenos AI's to live!

[sveners]

The Sheplyst isn't Shepard though, it's Faux-Shepard. It may do what Shepard would have done, or it may not. 

 

Too much of a gamble.

 

Re the relays;

 

- The current cycles can't build relays, but I don't think anything was said about repairing them, which presumably would be easier to do.

- Even the above might be erroneous, as the Asari had previously floated the idea of building their own relays

- The current cycle's top scientists are all in one place, having just finished building the Crucible. If this cycle is ever going to learn how to make the relays work then surely there's no better time

- The mass relays are Reaper tech - if only we had loads of inert Reaper tech around that could be reverse-engineered to see how it might work......

 

That, honestly sounds like a very reasonable alternative!

 

My main "problem" with choosing Destroy will always be in the ending slides and their utopian depiction of a world without Shepard. In many ways it feels like the game is rewarding killing off Shepard.

 

 

- Destroy, Shepard might live(perhaps) Universe is in dissarray, no way to rebuild, a fake hope from a shitty admiral. Geth and EDI gone forever.

 

- Control, Shepard dies, but lives as a new catalyst of Sheps memories, hopes and dreams... Nothing lasts forever Geth and EDI, no idea.

 

-Synthesis, Shepard dies completely...a perferct utopia of peace, understanding, hope and celebration. Where previously genocidal machines decide to rebuild the universe that was and reward the new speices with knowledge of generations past.....

 

 

Doesn't seem like a very fair trade to me

[Vazgen]

Geth and EDI gone forever.

Agreed on EDI, but it should be possible to rebuild geth to their pre-Reaper state. Quarians can do that.

[Iakus]

Agreed on EDI, but it should be possible to rebuild geth to their pre-Reaper state. Quarians can do that.

How?

[Vazgen]

How?

Like they did before? They created the geth, what's stopping them from doing it again?

I also have this theory about connection between the geth and the Reapers in Mass Effect 3. It comes from my limited experience as a programmer. I view Reaper code as a library where all kinds of different functions are defined. When Legion uploads the code, geth programs start to use those functions and become sentient. To use the functions you need to reference the library in your code. When the Reapers are destroyed, the library is removed, files are deleted. Thus new geth codes result in errors and the geth "die". The old code might be possible to restore by removing the references for the Reaper code library. Of course, it may also be not possible if the code is totally replaced and rewritten (but I suspect that's not the case, it would require a little more than Legion to pull off). However, in that case, quarians can just create old versions of geth, like they did before. And they will do it, if there was a peace, since geth helped them to acclimate to Rannoch.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Synthesis because choosing Destroy made me feel like a Neanderthal.

[von uber]

That said, with all his implants shot, and the Citadel crippled, it's unlikely anyone would find him, let alone save him.
 

 

Why would her implants be shot?

[Iakus]

Like they did before? They created the geth, what's stopping them from doing it again?

I also have this theory about connection between the geth and the Reapers in Mass Effect 3. It comes from my limited experience as a programmer. I view Reaper code as a library where all kinds of different functions are defined. When Legion uploads the code, geth programs start to use those functions and become sentient. To use the functions you need to reference the library in your code. When the Reapers are destroyed, the library is removed, files are deleted. Thus new geth codes result in errors and the geth "die". The old code might be possible to restore by removing the references for the Reaper code library. Of course, it may also be not possible if the code is totally replaced and rewritten (but I suspect that's not the case, it would require a little more than Legion to pull off). However, in that case, quarians can just create old versions of geth, like they did before. And they will do it, if there was a peace, since geth helped them to acclimate to Rannoch.

 

That's like saying you can bring humans back by having more babies.

 

Which is true enough, but the originals are still dead. 

[Iakus]

Why would her implants be shot?

 

Well there was that whole walking-into-a-fireball thing.  At the very least that must have voided their warranties.

 

Then there's "Even you are partly synthetic"

[von uber]

Well there was that whole walking-into-a-fireball thing.  At the very least that must have voided their warranties.

 

Then there's "Even you are partly synthetic"

 

She's survived worse. The problem with the 'partly synthetic' is that a lot of people have synthetic upgrades or augmentations.. unless it's a really, really REALLY picky Shep only beam..

[KaiserShep]

And if taken strictly within the context of what synthetic generally means in Mass Effect, it technically isn't true. The story itself confirms that Shepard is not some sort of quasi-AI or something.

[Vazgen]

That's like saying you can bring humans back by having more babies.

 

Which is true enough, but the originals are still dead. 

Except humans are sentient beings with complex personality. Geth are not sentient without the Reaper code. Their memories and experience will be lost, but their morals (if there were any) will not change. It will be like deleting all their memories letting them to begin anew. Those "new" geth units would make the same decisions as the "old" geth, assuming they have the same experience. 

[Iakus]

She's survived worse. The problem with the 'partly synthetic' is that a lot of people have synthetic upgrades or augmentations.. unless it's a really, really REALLY picky Shep only beam..

Hey, I've always argued that anyone with cybernetics, including trained biotics, should logically be having a really really bad day with the red beam.

 

But hey, space magic...

[Vazgen]

Beam affects Reaper tech. Normal tech should be fine. Star child uses "even you are part synthetic" line to sway you, lead you away from Destroy option. Geth "die" because of the Reaper code, EDI - because she's based on a Reaper technology and has that IFF integrated

[KaiserShep]

Hey, I've always argued that anyone with cybernetics, including trained biotics, should logically be having a really really bad day with the red beam.

 

But hey, space magic...

 

To really apply this total bag-of-hurt type of ending, you'd have to do what The World's End did and undo all forms of technology. Aircraft would plummet from the sky. Not a single thing electronic would work. The entire population of organics out in space throughout in the entire galaxy is dead. Frankly I'm not really sure that this is totally logical either. I mean, something powerful enough to do all this would probably just fry everyone anyway.

[Iakus]

Except humans are sentient beings with complex personality. Geth are not sentient without the Reaper code. Their memories and experience will be lost, but their morals (if there were any) will not change. It will be like deleting all their memories letting them to begin anew. Those "new" geth units would make the same decisions as the "old" geth, assuming they have the same experience. 

See, that's where we diverge.

 

I think the geth were sentient before the Reaper code.  

 

Legion: We have watched organics for over three centuries.  You are plagued by questions of existence.

Shepard: What do you mean by that?

Legion: Why were you created.  What is your purpose in life.  What lies after death.  Organics develop religions and philosophies to provide answers to these questions.

Shep:  I wouldn't have thought synthetics would be interested in philosophy.

Legion: We are created life.  We are a philosophical issue.  The geth know the answers to these questions.  We were created to labor for the quarians.  Our memories will be archived after death.  We are immortal.  Our "gods" disowned us.  We must create our own reasons to exist.

 

The geth had no real concept of individuality.  In that way, they are different from most organics.  But they were living, thinking beings.

[Iakus]

Beam affects Reaper tech. Normal tech should be fine. Star child uses "even you are part synthetic" line to sway you, lead you away from Destroy option. Geth "die" because of the Reaper code, EDI - because she's based on a Reaper technology and has that IFF integrated

Red Beam affects "synthetic life"  All synthetic life.  Explicitly.

 

Reaper code is purely a fan theory, and is never brought up in-game as far as what the beam does.

[Iakus]

To really apply this total bag-of-hurt type of ending, you'd have to do what The World's End did and undo all forms of technology. Aircraft would plummet from the sky. Not a single thing electronic would work. The entire population of organics out in space throughout in the entire galaxy is dead. Frankly I'm not really sure that this is totally logical either. I mean, something powerful enough to do all this would probably just fry everyone anyway.

 

*Shrug* not my fault these endings weren't thought through at all.

[von uber]

Red Beam affects "synthetic life"  All synthetic life.  Explicitly.

 

Reaper code is purely a fan theory, and is never brought up in-game as far as what the beam does.

 

Yeah, well then it coomes down to how much synthetic stuff you need to be classes as a synthetic then doesn't it.

 

 

Or it's just a load of bollocks they didn't think through as they needed something as a negative to stop everyone choosing the red wave of fun.

[Vazgen]

See, that's where we diverge.

 

I think the geth were sentient before the Reaper code.  

 

Legion: We have watched organics for over three centuries.  You are plagued by questions of existence.

Shepard: What do you mean by that?

Legion: Why were you created.  What is your purpose in life.  What lies after death.  Organics develop religions and philosophies to provide answers to these questions.

Shep:  I wouldn't have thought synthetics would be interested in philosophy.

Legion: We are created life.  We are a philosophical issue.  The geth know the answers to these questions.  We were created to labor for the quarians.  Our memories will be archived after death.  We are immortal.  Our "gods" disowned us.  We must create our own reasons to exist.

 

The geth had no real concept of individuality.  In that way, they are different from most organics.  But they were living, thinking beings.

 

I guess so. I always thought that the geth can achieve sentience without the Reaper code, they just need time.

 

An individual geth has only a basic intelligence on par with animal instincts, but in groups they can reason, analyze situations, and make tactical decisions as well as any of the organic races.

 

Only by coming together they were able to overcome those programming limitations. Legion - 11 million geth programs in one autonomous platform. But even Legion was not a true sentient being, at least not in the traditional sense. The geth searched for that sentience, to not to depend on each other that much, to have independent individual geth collected in the consensus not because they need but because they want to. Legion was the first step, but even he was not a true sentient being before starting to use the Reaper code.

 

Red Beam affects "synthetic life"  All synthetic life.  Explicitly.

 

Reaper code is purely a fan theory, and is never brought up in-game as far as what the beam does.

I see it as the only logical explanation. If you want to believe that it indeed destroys every cybernetic device in the galaxy, be my guest. But I would not believe that and will certainly not blame the developers for "not thinking it through" (because they did, at least in that regard).

[Excella Gionne]

I wonder what happened to the Omega 4 Relay... it's the only relay that is red and it does align with any other Mass Relay. I wonder how Shepard and the crew got back without a Mass Relay. Must have taken them months or weeks to get back...