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[ImaginaryMatter]

How the hell does he **** a robot. Seriously. Think about it. It's beyond stupid.

 

A little creativity and a whole 'lotta lube?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Geth maybe, but EDI cannot.

 

An AI like EDI is made by combining adaptive code and a long, expensive eduction with a quantum blue box.

Using the same adaptive code and same eduction with a blue box will not yield the same personality. A new personality is created each time

 

You know this gives an interesting about the Control ending. Is uploading Shepard's mind into the AI really Shepard? It isn't the same personality. A new personality is created. Shepard is dead. Shepard's mind is dead. Shepard's adaptive code and education was uploaded into a huge blue box of some sort that controls the reapers and as such cannot be the same Shepard.

[Vazgen]

You know this gives an interesting about the Control ending. Is uploading Shepard's mind into the AI really Shepard? It isn't the same personality. A new personality is created. Shepard is dead. Shepard's mind is dead. Shepard's adaptive code and education was uploaded into a huge blue box of some sort that controls the reapers and as such cannot be the same Shepard.

That's pretty much what the new Sheplyst says in the end. 

[Iakus]

You know this gives an interesting about the Control ending. Is uploading Shepard's mind into the AI really Shepard? It isn't the same personality. A new personality is created. Shepard is dead. Shepard's mind is dead. Shepard's adaptive code and education was uploaded into a huge blue box of some sort that controls the reapers and as such cannot be the same Shepard.

 

THANK-YOU!!!

 

It's amazing how often that gets overlooked!

[dantares83]

How the hell does he **** a robot. Seriously. Think about it. It's beyond stupid.

EDI is not called a sexbot for nothing. Anyway, lots of life-size sex toys around. the japanese ones are just out of this world.

[KaiserShep]

How the hell does he **** a robot. Seriously. Think about it. It's beyond stupid.

 

EDI says something about having servos for fine motor control. Just saying...

[RiptideX1090]

You know this gives an interesting about the Control ending. Is uploading Shepard's mind into the AI really Shepard? It isn't the same personality. A new personality is created. Shepard is dead. Shepard's mind is dead. Shepard's adaptive code and education was uploaded into a huge blue box of some sort that controls the reapers and as such cannot be the same Shepard.

 

Man, one of the endings involves Shepard jumping into a beam of pure energy that probably should disintegrate him but somehow causes an explosion that turns everyone into cyborgs.

 

Don't try and question the logic of the endings. Just... just don't.

[FaWa]

Before EC I picked control but I love EDI's narration of the synthesis ending so I picked it on my EC playthrough.

 

I personally always want Shepard to die so I will never pick Destroy. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Admittedly, I've been leery about expressing my thoughts about the ending I just choose.  I know this is an extremely hot topic, even after over 2 years since the endings hit.  So please bare in mind that I mean no offense, and I'm not claiming that my views are the only way to look at things.  This is just my takeaway from the ending, and this is how it worked for me.  To each their own.

 

With that out of the way, I choose high EMS Destroy as my ending.  I found it more personally fulfilling than Synthesis (my first choice from the first time I played back in May of this year,) and here's why.  

 

I had decided to do another full session of the series, from ME1.  I rolled up a Space/Sole Survivor infiltrator, and made her full paragon until Virmire.  After that, she became a paragade: nice to her friends, ruthless to her enemies, was a jerk to the Council, things of that nature.  This trend continued in ME2.  

 

In ME3, I was still paragade, but it wasn't as easy without making some really dumb decisions in the process.  I did cure the genophage; I brokered a peace between the geth and quarians; and tried to make as many treaties using paragon as I could.  By ME3, I figured that my character wanted the galaxy to unite under honor, not under intimidation.

 

I did as little meta-gaming as I could for this character, despite it being my second time through the series.  I picked the choices I thought she might, not what I as a player thought was right most of the time.  This included making peace with the geth and quarians.  How was she to know about the VI that was in charge of the Reapers?  How could she ever know prior to that by destroying the Reapers for good, she'd be committing full-blown genocide on the geth, not to mention any AI out there including EDI?  She couldn't, so I played her that way.  

 

When the end came, I pictured my Shep as just done.  She watched dozens if not hundreds of marines die just so she could get to the beam.  She was forced to shoot her close friend and father figure.  She watched him die right before her eyes.  She wasn't in the best shape, in any form.  She wanted it done.

 

When given the options, this is how my character saw it:

 

Control: She was too afraid of becoming more machine than a person, or even an AI.  She was afraid that, even if it's a million years from now, that she would lose herself to the Reaper group mind forever and end up restarting another version of the Cycle.  Plus, she had no desire to literally become a techno-God.  She thought the Reapers were a terrible mistake in the first place, and had no desire to be the leader.

 

Synthesis: That was an even more immediate NO in her mind.  Not only did this VI seem to want this a little too badly in Shep's eyes, she felt she didn't have the right to make that choice.  If organics wish to rebuild AIs after the war, then they all have a right to be different. She also had no idea how that would work.  

 

Destroy: This is what she had strove for.  Fought, bled, even died for.  She wanted the Reapers destroyed for good.  She wanted total freedom from them and from the cycle.  In her eyes, the Child's conviction that synthetics would ultimately destroy organics was no different than Mordin's statements about the galaxy wiping out the Krogan.  The computer simulations didn't account for the Krogan culture attempting to rebuilding itself.  The Child didn't count on organics and synthetics uniting despite their differences.  For my Shep, it was all the same: a computer program that dictated the course of life based upon what might happen.

 

This isn't something my Shep took lightly, and neither did I as a player.  This, to her, was like the worst combination of Virmire and Arrival all over again.  However, this is something she felt was for the best.  It allowed the galaxy to rebuild, to actually learn for themselves the technology without an AI god or a forced synthesis to gain understanding and wisdom.  It hurt, both as Shep and as a player.  It hurt to know I was condemning the Geth to extinction.  It hurt even more knowing that EDI, who really did sound more alive than ever at the end, wasn't going to see the results.  It hurt that Joker was going to have his heart broken.

 

This though, was how I felt for this Shep was the way it should end.  It destroyed the Reapers, it allowed life to just go on.  No Techno God, no forced understanding.  As a player, I found it just more fitting.  The breath scene is up for a lot of debate.  I go with the "Shep lived" theory myself.  I've heard compelling arguments against that theory as well.  This is just my experience and my personal feelings about the game.

 

I will say that I plan on replaying the series in the future.  Shakiness of the endings or not, it still remains one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had.  I'd still recommend it to anyone that can get into the combat style that loves RPGS.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Did Javik write the book? Or did Javik decide to become King of the Hanar.

[KaiserShep]

There should have been a slide showing Javik standing before his subjects on Kahje.

[themikefest]

Or a slide showing the Asari bowing to a statue of Javik who replaces Althame as their new God.

[Coyotebay]

 

Destroy: This is what she had strove for.  Fought, bled, even died for.  She wanted the Reapers destroyed for good.  She wanted total freedom from them and from the cycle.  In her eyes, the Child's conviction that synthetics would ultimately destroy organics was no different than Mordin's statements about the galaxy wiping out the Krogan.  The computer simulations didn't account for the Krogan culture attempting to rebuilding itself.  The Child didn't count on organics and synthetics uniting despite their differences.  For my Shep, it was all the same: a computer program that dictated the course of life based upon what might happen.

 

There is no question that Destroy is the correct choice.  No one picks synthesis because they think synthesis is great.  The only reason people pick synthesis is because they don't want EDI to die, or the Geth to die if they are still around (holds up a guilty hand).  And they only pick Control because they're control freaks, lol.

[Grieving Natashina]

There is no question that Destroy is the correct choice.  No one picks synthesis because they think synthesis is great.  The only reason people pick synthesis is because they don't want EDI to die, or the Geth to die if they are still around (holds up a guilty hand).  And they only pick Control because they're control freaks, lol.

I'd actually argue against that.  I've seen folks pick Synthesis because they felt it was great.  They loved the universal understanding, and the sharing of knowledge.  They loved feeling like the collected knowledge of the Reapers isn't going to go to waste.   For many, I've seen Joker listed before EDI or the Geth as a reason for Synthesis.  The newly introduced technology could finally help him overcome his brittle bone disease, and try to have more of a life outside of his pilot chair.

 

Calling everyone a control freak just because they picked Control isn't fair either.  I've also seen posters pick Control because there might be another galactic threat waiting out there, and want to protect the galaxy.  They want to help societies rebuild and the Reapers would surely help with a lot of the work.  They feel that having the Reapers around under Shep's protection would ultimately be good for the galaxy.  They've also pointed out that Leviathan knows about the rest of the "lesser races" now, and nothing like having the Reapers under lock and key to ensure that his/its race doesn't try to dominate the galaxy again.

 

I share different opinions on the ending, but no need to be rude or dismissive to other posters about it.    

 

Edit: had to add in a couple of words in the second sentence

[CaIIisto]

You had me at....

 

 

I choose high EMS Destroy as my ending.

 

 

[Farangbaa]

There is no question that Destroy is the correct choice.  No one picks synthesis because they think synthesis is great.  The only reason people pick synthesis is because they don't want EDI to die, or the Geth to die if they are still around (holds up a guilty hand).  And they only pick Control because they're control freaks, lol.

 

Destroy is the only wrong choice.

[Vazgen]

Destroy is the only wrong choice.

Depends on what you view as wrong

[Grieving Natashina]

Destroy is the only wrong choice.

See previous post.   Folks have different PoVs on the endings and it doesn't make any of us right or wrong about this.  It's a matter of personal taste and perspective.  It's a little rude to call anyone "wrong" for their choice.  You might disagree with me about Destroy, or with others for their ending choice.  I disagree with you in this case, but I respect where you are coming from.  Try to do the same for others.

 

Remember, we're all spending hours of our time on the ME forums still talking about this.  Shouldn't we be trying to focus on that and celebrate our differences in opinion in such a great game rather than pick at each other constantly?"

 

I'd rather learn from other posters and enjoy being a gaming nerd rather than push the whole "right or wrong," nonsense.  

[Farangbaa]

See previous post.   Folks have different PoVs on the endings and it doesn't make any of us right or wrong about this.  It's a matter of personal taste and perspective.  It's a little rude to call anyone "wrong" for their choice.  You might disagree with me about Destroy, or with others for their ending choice.  I disagree with you in this case, but I respect where you are coming from.  Try to do the same for others.

 

Remember, we're all spending hours of our time on the ME forums still talking about this.  I'd rather learn from other posters and enjoy being a gaming nerd rather than push the whole "right or wrong," nonsense.  

 

Do note the post I responded to.

[Grieving Natashina]

Do note the post I responded to.

I did. No need to keep that cycle of nastiness going.  If you feel he's being rude, kill 'em with kindness.  If that doesn't work, then just ignore him.  The endings have pissed off the ME fans to one degree or another.  Even me; you bet I was yelling at the screen at the Starbrat the entire time my first completion of the game.

 

BioWare screwed up two years ago in many ways with this, though the EC did help some.   Let's try to not take it out on each other.  

 

The Dude abides.  I'll leave ya be though.  

[Coyotebay]

Do note the post I responded to.

Doesn't matter that you responded to my post, it's still just your opinion.

 

I'd actually argue against that.  I've seen folks pick Synthesis because they felt it was great.  They loved the universal understanding, and the sharing of knowledge.  They loved feeling like the collected knowledge of the Reapers isn't going to go to waste.  

Calling everyone a control freak just because they picked Control isn't fair either.

I was kind of being facetious with the Control crack.  Ok, I'll buy that some people liked the sunshine and rainbows appeal of Synthesis besides the fact that it saved EDI.

[CaIIisto]

I'm all for respecting others' choices and opinions but sometimes it's easier than others. Control, disagree with it as the solution, but people choose it, fair enough. Refuse, seen as the mother of all cop-outs by some, by others it's the one choice where you don't buy into the Starbrat's logic. Fair enough.

 

Synthesis though..... urgh, my only response to Synthesis is to close my eyes and hum real loud for 10 seconds until I can get the thought out of my head....

[Farangbaa]

I did. No need to keep that cycle of nastiness going. 

 

Well if saying something is wrong is nasty, I'm the most vile person in the world.

 

Yes, something, not someone.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well if saying something is wrong is nasty, I'm the most vile person in the world.

Didn't say that, and I honestly apologize if you thought I meant it like that.  I didn't.  I was just trying to encourage some kindness all around, and a little less bitterness towards each other.  If you thought I was picking on you, again, I really didn't mean to come off that way.  

[Farangbaa]

Didn't say that, and I honestly apologize if you thought I meant it like that.  I didn't.  I was just trying to encourage some kindness all around, and a little less bitterness towards each other.  If you thought I was picking on you, again, I really didn't mean to come off that way.  

 

Oh God no I was just saying I wasn't being nasty. I wasn't even getting personal :S