@Natashina
I choose destroy all the time. I have no use picking the other endings.
I don't agree about Anderson being a father figure. I don't view him as one. I doubt Joker would be sad about the robot being gone when he would be more concerned about the death of his sister and father or a tleast I would believe he would be
Oh God no
I was just saying I wasn't being nasty. I wasn't even getting personal :S
Fair enough. 
I tend to be pretty chill most of the time. It sometimes is a little sad to me how much gamers bicker and fight among ourselves. We're all gamers, and in this case, we're all Mass Effect fans. Even for those that hate the way it turned out, it's obvious that the series meant enough to them for them to continue to post and talk about it.
That's what I try to focus on at least. I guess I'm a little altruistic as well as idealistic at heart. I grew up in a time where the most bickering usually was Sega versus Nintendo. 
I'm all for respecting others' choices and opinions but sometimes it's easier than others. Control, disagree with it as the solution, but people choose it, fair enough. Refuse, seen as the mother of all cop-outs by some, by others it's the one choice where you don't buy into the Starbrat's logic. Fair enough.
Synthesis though..... urgh, my only response to Synthesis is to close my eyes and hum real loud for 10 seconds until I can get the thought out of my head....
You know, Synthesis did make a little bit of sense to me. I can wrap my head around the concept of the singularity on a molecular level. I'll be the first to admit though the execution as shown in game made no sodding sense. How does that even?... Never mind.
Plus, the endings in general a lot more sense than the ending of one of my favorite old school games, Chrono Cross. At least ME3's info dump at the end didn't lead me into trying to figure out string theory, the various wormhole theories as well as quantum mechanics.
Seriously, check out the chrono compedium. It'll bake your noddle.
@Mike: When it comes to Anderson, that was how Elissa Shepard saw him. My first Shep (Kalya; Earthborn/War Hero) did not see him that way at all. She respected him as an officer and as a friend, but not a father figure. In short, it depends upon how I'm RP'ing at the time.
I remember Sega vs Nintendo. Good times.
I can buy into the father figure relationship with Anderson, that's pretty much how I always saw it myself. Not everyone will though obviously.
Joker and EDI - guess it would be a sh1tty end to a sh1tty day for Joker. Sister dead. Father dead. Sexbot dead. Joker can cry himself to sleep. Alone.
I remember Sega vs Nintendo. Good times.
As good as Spectrum vs Commodore....?
As good as Spectrum vs Commodore....?
I was way too young back then. The older brother of my friend had to start up the commodore for us.. that kind of young
As good as Spectrum vs Commodore....?
I didn't own a computer until 1993. The computer debate was of-my-time, but not a lot of people that I knew had computers growing up.
Okay, since my 6 year old nephew owns a limited access cell phone (can call home and 911, no text and that's it) I feel really old saying that.
I can buy into the father figure relationship with Anderson, that's pretty much how I always saw it myself. Not everyone will though obviously.
Joker and EDI - guess it would be a sh1tty end to a sh1tty day for Joker. Sister dead. Father dead. Sexbot dead. Joker can cry himself to sleep. Alone.
Hey, think about the worst ending to ME2.
No EDI body, all of his friends dead, watching Shep die again, stuck serving Marty (my original nickname for TIM, since he's basically a video game version of Martin Sheen.) Good times.
The only fighting I remember is who gets to play pong on the Magnavox Odyssey and to play it on Atari
I always viewed Shepard and Anderson relationship as something similar to what Anderson had with Jon Grissom in Mass Effect: Revelation.
A commanding officer, a legend in the Alliance, Shepard was proud to serve under him and it was Anderson's down to earth attitude that resulted in friendship between the two, otherwise Shepard would've never tried to be informal. It coincided well with Shepard's talk with Anderson in ME3 when he calls Anderson "sir". Kinda similar to Kaidan-Shepard relationship.
I never viewed him as a mentor or anything like that.
Jeff being sad about EDI dying didn't bother me tbh - hell, if he'd listened to me in the first place then I wouldn't have had to suffocate in space before plunging into an orbital free-fall into the ground at terminal velocity, and being remade 30% robot by a nutjob.
Spectrum vs Commodore - sad to say, the one of those that I had, not even my first computer. Yep, that old..... 
I wouldn't have had to suffocate in space before plunging into an orbital free-fall into the ground at terminal velocity, and being remade 30% robot by a nutjob.
Priceless! 
the reason i choose control after 2 years (yeah, i left the game hanging for 2 years because i couldnt bear to play after hearing so many bad things about it and they changed my Shep's face!!!!) is because i can't let EDI and the Geths to die after they fought for me in the war.
it is just too inhumane and not the ulitmate Paragon I desired to be. As much as possible, i choose to let them live as long as I am given a choice. So by knowingly sacrficing the Geth and EDI (for me to live), i just couldn't do that.
Shep should just sacrifice himself and be the ultimate Paragon. if one day, the power corrupts him and he become another TIM or Starbrat, it is another story and have no bearings to this trilogy.
I've tried all the endings out in various playthroughs and I can wrap my head around all of them... Except refuse. Seems pointless to go all that way and then choose to do nothing about the reapers.
Having said that, if I were to only play the game once I would pick destroy (preferably with high EMS), because at least that way the damn squids are dealt with. To quote Kyle Reese, "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." ...something like that, anyway.
No reapers means that organics choose how to move forward. Yeah the geth are gone, and yeah EDI is gone, but hell... Remember Javik saying that whole worlds were sacrificed just to slow the reapers down in his cycle. Not end them, just delay them. What is sacrificing the geth and EDI compared to that?
I like to think of my Shepard as ultimately going down the road of zero compromise in the goal of wiping the enemy from existence after all the crazy sh** she's seen. I did like when I choose the dialogue that says that the purpose of the Normandy is to wipe the reapers from existence, and Javik can tell that she's telling the truth.
I like to think of my Shepard as ultimately going down the road of zero compromise in the goal of wiping the enemy from existence after all the crazy sh** she's seen. I did like when I choose the dialogue that says that the purpose of the Normandy is to wipe the reapers from existence, and Javik can tell that she's telling the truth.
That's what it comes down to. Since getting blown up by the beacon on Eden Prime shep sure has gone through it, as Wrex would say.
When i get to the end of the trilogy in a given playthrough,I think back to all the sh*t shep went through, and how it influenced her to pick synthesis or control or destroy. So... if I'm going green then EDI and Legion would be a huge influence in the playthrough. If I'm going blue, then TIM would be a major influence. And if I'm going red, then lately it's been Javik who is the biggest influence, heh.
If I go red, it means I got a tattoo.
If I go red, it means I got a tattoo.
That... or you hope you don't have to go see Mordin about a lil scale itch problem.
Shep should just sacrifice himself and be the ultimate Paragon. if one day, the power corrupts him and he become another TIM or Starbrat, it is another story and have no bearings to this trilogy.
This is my problem with Control though, it's NOT Shepard. It's the Sheplyst. Handing over total control of the Reapers to an unknown variable was completely off the table for me. In a single move you've upgraded the Catalyst to v2.0 and simultaneously taken the Alliance's greatest asset/hope out of the game completely. As choices go, I saw that as being the Russian Roulette option....
That's sort of the reason why I stopped picking Control post-EC. Originally I figured Shepard or whatever (pre-EC dialogue was not particularly clear) would order the Reapers to self destruct, permanently deactivate, or fly into a sun; resulting in the the Destroy ending without the destruction of the Geth or the massive damage. None of my Shepards wanted to utilize the Reapers to unilaterally enforce the galaxy. Having the Shepalyst do exactly that in the epilogue immediately severed for me any connection Shepard had to the new entity.
My opinion of the three endings, but some context first. One, I accept that Startbrat isn't intentionally trying to deceive Shepard. After all, he could just stand there and say nothing and Shepard wouldn't even know what to do to activate the Crucible, giving the Reapers time to close in and tear it apart. Two, I accept that synthesis is completely viable in the ME universe, so "space magic" is removed form the equation for this argument. Three, I accept that all synthetics will die with the destroy option (gets back to the first point, that Starbrat isn't lying about anything).
Destroy is the only reasonable choice that Shepard can make, because it is the only choice that is at face value. Destroy kills the Reapers, period. What you see is what you get. Immediate problem solved, and it is a colossal problem that is being solved as you are saving all the advanced civilizations of the galaxy from extinction. Neither Control nor Synthesis are at face value, they are unknowns, wild cards. You cannot predict what will happen with them. As has already been stated, Shepard does not know if he can control the Reapers, he does not know if merging with the Catalyst will change and corrupt him. This is the same A.I. that thought the Reapers were a great idea in the first place. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Shep A.I. will have absolute power. There's no guarantee that he might one day decide that the Reaper solution was the best after all, and set the nightmare in motion once again. So I can't see Shepard choosing this. As for Synthesis, no need to go into detail here. Changing the matrix of all life in the universe based on a ten-minute conversation with an A.I. that has been delusional for the past billion years is a choice I can't see Shepard making either. But Destroy is the one choice that he not only understands but was his choice from the start, and represents the will of the people who picked him as their champion. So that is his only logical choice.
This is my problem with Control though, it's NOT Shepard. It's the Sheplyst. Handing over total control of the Reapers to an unknown variable was completely off the table for me. In a single move you've upgraded the Catalyst to v2.0 and simultaneously taken the Alliance's greatest asset/hope out of the game completely. As choices go, I saw that as being the Russian Roulette option....
It is merely an upload of your mind into the AI whereupon you replace the data file that is the personality and directive of the Catalyst. The Catalyst explains this to you, and if you refuse this option, tells you that it did not want to be replaced. You kill the Catalyst and now have the reaper control signal at your command. Should you do this? (I also want to point out in the original ending the clip showing the relay's rings blowing up was not there. It was inserted in the Extended Cut. In the Original Ending this was the only ending where the relays were not destroyed.)
... And waste this opportunity? Never. When humanity discovered the mass relays, there were those who thought they should be destroyed. They were afraid of what we would find. Afraid of what we would let in. But look at what humanity has achieved. In the past 30 years humanity has advanced more than it has in the past 10,000 years combined, and the reapers will do that for us again a thousand fold. I know with certainty that the crucible will allow me to control the reapers. Do you think power like this comes easy? There are sacrifices.
There is no sacrifice when picking destroy
There is no sacrifice when picking destroy
One could argue that the Geth and EDI (not to mention all AIs and probably most VIs) were sacrificed to bring the end of the Reapers in the Destroy ending. Whether or not someone considers them people is up to them, but they were sacrificed.
All synthetics were targeted. Even the Virtual Aliens.
And the entire reason for putting that in the destroy ending was to sell the other two.
However, after really listening closely to the endings, and looking at the way technology had been advancing, synthesis was inevitable in its own time. This brings me to the conclusion drawn right after playing the original ending:
All the endings are virtually the identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen: you die, the relays are damaged, and the Normandy crashes. In the red one you get a glimmer of hope. *gasp*
One could argue that the Geth and EDI (not to mention all AIs and probably most VIs) were sacrificed to bring the end of the Reapers in the Destroy ending. Whether or not someone considers them people is up to them, but they were sacrificed.
Nope. I don't care about the machines. They can be rebuilt if the galaxy wants. You can't say that about the organics that are dead from the war.
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