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[SporkFu]

And if they'd waited 18 months, EDIs quantum blue box would have been the size of your PC.

Damn those pesky reaper invasions. 

[StarcloudSWG]

Control: "I gave the Reapers form. *In turn, they give me purpose*." Note the second sentence. It indicates a self-referential, error-correcting feedback mechanism that reinforces the Catalyst's insane mindset. In Control, Shepard-AI replaces Catalyst-AI... and while the Catalyst may be gone, that error-correcting feedback mechanism is still there because the Reapers still exist. In time, Shepard-AI will start the genocides again. Control is a Reaper win.

 

Synthesis: "We tried this solution before. It did not work." "Why?" "It cannot be... forced." What do you do with Synthesis? You force it on everything. Note; the Catalyst still exists in this ending. So do the Reapers. Why do the Reapers stop? Because they're programmed against destroying Reaper-tech. Congratulations; you just reaper-fied the galaxy and gave the Catalyst the ultimate victory it was seeking. Synthesis is a Reaper win.

 

Refuse: It's another Reaper win.

 

Destroy: The only ending in which the Reapers lose. And they lose utterly and convincingly.

[SporkFu]

But what about the one billion individual consciousnesses that were uploaded into the AI on that ship? Those would be destroyed in the destroy ending for reasons.

 

Whether Shepard bothered to read The Cerberus Daily News is another matter. It is Mass Effect canon. I reposted the entire series of articles for your convenience above.

I remember looking forward to those new messages every time I loaded up ME2. Interesting stuff. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Control: "I gave the Reapers form. *In turn, they give me purpose*." Note the second sentence. It indicates a self-referential, error-correcting feedback mechanism that reinforces the Catalyst's insane mindset. In Control, Shepard-AI replaces Catalyst-AI... and while the Catalyst may be gone, that error-correcting feedback mechanism is still there because the Reapers still exist. In time, Shepard-AI will start the genocides again. Control is a Reaper win.

 

 

I gave the piano form. It in turn gave me purpose.

 

See, I just took that sentence and used it to invent a musical instrument. Does the piano force me to use it? No. I choose to let it give me purpose, and that would be to create music.

 

But what you wrote is a logical fallacy. "I gave the reapers form. They in turn gave me purpose."  The problem with your interpretation of this is that you assume there is a self-correcting mechanism. The Catalyst had the reapers there. It created them for a purpose - to harvest. Just like I created the piano to make music in that example.

 

Now with Control, the Catalyst's files are erased and Shepard's mind is copied in their place. The reapers, because of the presence of the Catalyst, are not "each a nation, independent, free of all weakness" or individual AIs. They are machines doing as they are told. Now instead of the Catalyst giving them direction, Shepard gives them direction.

 

The Virtual Aliens obviously show that uploading the mind into a computer is possible in the MEU. That story also shows that downloading a mind from a computer is also possible. EDI also shows that an AI can occupy a platform with part of its software. I guess Shepard could occupy a mobile platform as well. I mean there is no need for secrecy anymore.

[gottaloveme]

I think the universe is rooted with my Shep. I still haven't stopped firing on my mates yet. But realistically speaking I would opt for life. All the other endings are good - but I want to live with Kaidan/Steve/whoever. I have actually only gotten to the end twice so far. Followed Mike's EMS table. Thanks. The synthesis option allows everyone to live including the reapers who then help to rebuild.

 

BW are really good for the punch guts and heart-string tugging.

[ImaginaryMatter]

That line the Catalyst gives about the Reapers giving it purpose is a little weird and it should probably just be ignored along with half the other psuedo philosophical stuff the thing blurts out. I mean didn't the Catalyst have a purpose long before the Reapers were even on the scene? It's not like it's goal is to protect the Reapers, they're just a means to an end. Besides, if the Catalyst really wanted to protect the slushy mix it should have kept the stuff save in dark space and not place it in ships that are constantly on the front lines getting blown up.

[KaiserShep]

That line the Catalyst gives about the Reapers giving it purpose is a little weird and it should probably just be ignored along with half the other psuedo philosophical stuff the thing blurts out. I mean didn't the Catalyst have a purpose long before the Reapers were even on the scene? It's not like it's goal is to protect the Reapers, they're just a means to an end. Besides, if the Catalyst really wanted to protect the slushy mix it should have kept the stuff save in dark space and not place it in ships that are constantly on the front lines getting blown up.

 

It would have been interesting if the reapers themselves were basically purely machine, while the genetic material they harvested would be added to some other superstructure, perhaps the Catalyst, that itself grows and collects data safely somewhere in dark space.

[LycansRise]

In the end I chose Synthesis...I couldn't destroy EDI or the Geth ( I spent my time saving them, why should I kill them in the end when they found peace on Rannoch with the Quarians???).  EDI helped get you to where you were and plus, I'd feel bad for Joker...I couldn't take his partner away from him.  Although, does this mean I truly accept Synthesis for what it is?  Not entirely...it's unknown and anything could happen here too.  BUT I liked the idea behind it all though...the 'perfection' humans and other races wanted now have the vast knowledge that they've chased after for many years and the synthetics can now relate to organics because of this unique connection...I do feel happy for them because they've always tried to understand the emotions/thoughts/choices ect ect.   

 

**The way I look at it...there is no RIGHT or WRONG choice--there are no repercussions for his/her actions at the end (that you know of, of course).  It's how you feel it should end according to how your Shepard developed at the end of the series based on your choices** 

 

If I have one thing to say though; I wished Shepard wasn't alone at the end, being that the game is heavily dependent on character development/tension.  Once you isolated him/her...there was no emotion, I can understand that he/she was beyond exhausted and wanted it to end but I'd rather have at *least* one squad member (or romantic interest) with him/her at the very end, supporting them despite the possible outcomes.  It would have created the final character emotion the game was lacking and may have left a less sour taste in the mouth once it was over and done with.  

 

EDIT:  This came to mind today but theoretically speaking; if you chose to destroy the synthetics, didn't the starchild imply you'd die too because of all the synthetics to re-build your body??  Wouldn't this rule follow suit for ALL races (that may cripple them in some way because they are dependent on synthetics) in the milky way galaxy?  I've heard you can save him/her at the end with like 5000+ EMS but yeah...It doesn't quite line up--or maybe I misinterpreted it wrong.

[von uber]

I agree, there is no wrong choice, apart from control, synthesis and refuse

[thruaglassdarkly]

I initially (and generally) chose destroy.  It felt like a decision I had already made 20 hours before, I felt that the entire Reaper philosophy was bankrupt, and I felt like the Reapers, per their actions, constituted the extraordinarily rare instance where a sapient entity needed to be entirely removed from existence. 

 

I did not like control, because I believe absolute power has a corrosive, corrupting effect on anyone (thing, whatever you are at that point).  

 

I did not like synthesis because I felt like I was forcing a choice on the galaxy, and I reject the notion that sameness is a precursor to piece.  Perhaps this works in the Mass Effect universe, but as huge proponent of diversity, this particular line of reasoning rubbed me the wrong way.  Beyond all that, unlike the other two options, it was presented to me pretty late in the journey, and thus the argument for it was not as fleshed out as the other two.

[KaiserShep]

Refuse is the best wrong choice.

 

Shepard: We'll die free!

 

Catalyst: You know, you'd all probably be free with at least two of these choices.

 

Shepard: Yeah, but either you live or the geth and EDI die!

 

Catalyst: So? They'll all be dead if you do nothing.

 

Shepard: You just don't get the principle!

 

Catalyst:

So be it...

[Iakus]

Refuse is the best wrong choice.

 

Shepard: We'll die free!

 

Catalyst: You know, you'd all probably be free with at least two of these choices.

 

Shepard: Yeah, but either you live or the geth and EDI die!

 

Catalyst: So? They'll all be dead if you do nothing.

 

Shepard: You just don't get the principle!

 

Catalyst:

So be it...

I Die Free

[NoRush20]

First time I played this game through, which was like right after the Extended DLC was released, I took that dang starchild seriously, and thought it would help answer the troubles of the future by preventing war between synthetics and organics and all that bs. Yeah... xD

 

The ending bothered me, and it made me not want to play Mass Effect again. I felt like I had chosen the lesser of the four evils, but I was unhappy with my choice. I took a long hiatus from the game.

 

Last month, I replayed the series again, and had a blast. But this time, I was determined that my ending would be to stop the reapers. Destroy them at any cost. When I walked down the road toward the Red ending, and blew up the power conduit, I felt so much better. As the cinematic played, and the reapers died due to the red blast, I could flip the Reapers off with adrenaline and say "eat it!" and it gave me so much more satisfaction.

 

Plus, then, Shepard lived, Liara didn't put his name on the wall, the Normandy took off to find Shep again, the Citadel and everything was rebuilt, the galaxy goes back to being more or less how it was before the whole Reaper invasion began... it was a much sweeter, much more satisfying ending on all accounts for me. 

 

Yes, it sucks losing the Geth and Edi, but I felt I made the right choice. Shep knew he didn't need to choose synthesis this time, because he had solved the Geth/Quarian crisis earlier (something i failed to do in my first playthrough) and so Shep knew that, in the future, organics and synthetics could work together. It would have worked in this cycle had the Reapers not interfered, anyway. The Catalyst was wrong in its assumption of how all relationships between organics and synthetics turn to violence. Shep also couldn't choose control, because it's just too shaky on what's going to happen. Keeping the Reapers alive is going to be a risk for the galaxy no matter what. If at any point Shep would lose that control, then the whole thing was for nothing.

 

In short, Destroy gave me the Mass Effect universe that I want to return to; any other ending would give me one that I want to forget.

[NoRush20]

 

Yes, it sucks losing the Geth and Edi, 

 

in the future, organics and synthetics could work together. It would have worked in this cycle had the Reapers not interfered,

 

The Catalyst was wrong in its assumption of how all relationships between organics and synthetics turn to violence.

In short, Destroy gave me the Mass Effect universe that I want to return to; any other ending would give me one that I want to forget.

 

---

 

In complete and sincere honesty, I'm glad you were ok with the outcome.

 

If I were picking those bullet points out of a debrief I would not be feeling like things went well. Indeed, quite the opposite.

 

I know what you mean. Even the most positive ending in the game is not a fantastic resolution xD

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I agree, there is no wrong choice, apart from control, synthesis and refuse

 

But Synthesis is the only ending where Shepard won't have to listen to any more taunts about how (s)he once thought asari needed other species to reproduce.

[SporkFu]

But Synthesis is the only ending where Shepard won't have to listen to any more taunts about how (s)he once thought asari needed other species to reproduce.

I dunno, with synthesis everyone who has ever lived since the harvest began will know about it by virtue of The Shepard being part of their lives.

Now, with control, he can at least have Harby zap anyone who even thinks shep once said something that moronic.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I dunno, with synthesis everyone who has ever lived since the harvest began will know about it by virtue of The Shepard being part of their lives.

Now, with control, he can at least have Harby zap anyone who even thinks shep once said something that moronic.

 

And in moderately high destroy shep is just dead.

[KaiserShep]

But Synthesis is the only ending where Shepard won't have to listen to any more taunts about how (s)he once thought asari needed other species to reproduce.

 

[Shepinger lands on Thessia, and asks a single question in a big booming voice]

 

Shepinger: Can asari reproduce with their own species?

 

[asari look at each other, puzzled, and begin laughing]

 

Shepinger:......IGNORE ME! [flies away]

[goishen]

 

Yes, it sucks losing the Geth and Edi, 

 

 

 

 

I agree about EDI, don't about the geth.  Well, except for Legion.  

 

The geth have killed me far too many times for me to care.  Interesting story though.  The whole MorningWar / Mourning War was ...  Whew, blew my mind.  Even though never expressed in game, I thought Legion meant the latter, when he actually meant the former.

[KaiserShep]

I can take or leave the geth, just as I could most of the other races in the MEU; it's EDI's unceremonious demise that actually bugs me.

[SporkFu]

And in moderately high destroy shep is just dead.

Kid: tell me another story about The Shepard

Stargazer: Well, it's getting late, but... alright. Once upon a time, The Shepard met The Broker, and saved her from the geth-

Kid: Come on, I heard this one already. 

Stargazer, Ah, but what I didn't tell you, my sweet, is that The Shepard asked The Broker if her people needed other species to reproduce.

Kid: WHAT??? Hahahahahahahahahahaaahahaha - breath - ahahahahahahahahahahahaha -breath- hahahahahahahahahahaha

Stargazer *chuckles*: It's true. The Shepard thought that-

Kid *gasping for air*: No. Stop. I- I'm gonna... ahahahahahahahaha.

Stargazer *waits patiently*

Kid: Okay. okay. I'm okay. But now I know you're lying to me. Hahaha. Come on, it's getting cold out here.

Stargazer *thinking*: Finally. Maybe the kid will want a story about something else next time. 

[themikefest]

I can take or leave the geth, just as I could most of the other races in the MEU; it's EDI's unceremonious demise that actually bugs me.

That never bothered me. I pick destroy without hesitation.

[The Devlish Redhead]

I chose Synthesis

 

I did so because it was the ending I preferred.... People were still people, free to go about their lives and do stuff, but they were also connected in a way where ideas could be exchanged and done on a mass scale and new ideas created due to the connections. At least that's how I viewed it, and this included the reapers since they were now part of the connected environment and there was now no need for a harvest.....

 

We are all unique, and one all at the same time........... I liked that ending and this is the one I prefer........ Didn't like refuse, and Control just seems a bit iffy..

[ghost9191]

@sH0tgUn jUliA 

 

To be fair, that is on the player lol. I just never got the hate for that, I mean sure you can pick that line of dialogue, but who is the more foolish? the one that says what s/he is told or the one that picks the dialogue choice?

 

@Adelaidejohn 1967

 

Doesn't the internet do the same thing though? And we all know what has come of that. Just imagine the trolling.  

 

I do agree with you though. In the end, you are stuck with 3 crap choices and you can only make the one you think is the best of the bad 

 

@KaiserShep

 

Same, though that is a needs of the many thing. Sucks but a lot of people will live because of it. Same with Shepard jumping into the beam of light or grabbing the lightning rods. Sucks that s/he dies ( barring some fan fiction ) but many will survive because of it.