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[Linkenski]

The Catalyst is wrong. There isn't going to be a synthetic singularity. It was just a wrong assumption made by his creators because they had effed up. So I choose destroy because I'm not sacrificing my Shepard to solve a problem that no longer exists or is even going to exist.

[KaiserShep]

The Catalyst is wrong. There isn't going to be a synthetic singularity. It was just a wrong assumption made by his creators because they had effed up. So I choose destroy because I'm not sacrificing my Shepard to solve a problem that no longer exists or is even going to exist.

 

I think it's wrong to say that there would never be one and declare that the Catalyst is absolutely wrong about it. After all, that both it and the reapers exist are proof that it can happen. The question is whether or not one should be concerned about the possibility of it happening again. Personally I don't take the idea of inevitability very seriously. It can happen, or it can just as well happen that machines rise up many years into the future, only to be continually crushed by the organic races, or a more peaceful agreement is established before conflict wipes one or both of them out, or it simply never happens at all. It's even possible that another alien species is encountered that is far more troublesome than synthetics entirely. The rachni were pretty bad, and the krogan have plenty of potential if left alive over the long-term. There's so much of the galaxy left unexplored, and so many variables left unaccounted that I really could not care less about the synthetic problem.

[Felps Cross]

This makes me remember my first playthrough.

 

Middle-rate EMS, with only Liara, Vega and Ashley alive, and still, Liara and Vega died at the last rush to the conduit beam. 

 

DESTROY, of course!! If it wasn't this, their sacrifices would be in vain. 

 

No regrets. Would do it again at the same circunstances.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I think it's wrong to say that there would never be one and declare that the Catalyst is absolutely wrong about it. After all, that both it and the reapers exist are proof that it can happen.

 

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[Iakus]

  It can happen, or it can just as well happen that machines rise up many years into the future, only to be continually crushed by the organic races, or a more peaceful agreement is established before conflict wipes one or both of them out, or it simply never happens at all. It's even possible that another alien species is encountered that is far more troublesome than synthetics entirely. The rachni were pretty bad, and the krogan have plenty of potential if left alive over the long-term. There's so much of the galaxy left unexplored, and so many variables left unaccounted that I really could not care less about the synthetic problem.

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[Xawer]

Taking the Catalyst seriously is a big mistakein my opinion.Evil motherfuckers are always right in their heads and they always have logical arguments.Especially if they are an A.I.

 

Destroying the Reapers is the only viable and satisfying ending.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

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Is that a response to me? 'Not like I've denied any of those things, still the fact remains that what the Catalyst says could happen is possible, which many have denied (the guy whom that quote was a response to). Also the fact remains that it has happened once already, which you have denied.

 

*edit* -- I would also add that those outcomes -- organics wiping out synthetics, or peace between both parties -- do not ensure the the creation of a problem AI will never take place, whereas a problem AI can ensure the destruction of organics and peace with them.

[zqrahll]

Destroy is the only viable option as far as I'm concerned because Synthesis nullifies free will for the entire galaxy & Control goes against the entire trilogy in its head-poundingly awful retcon-- never use Reaper tech for anything, you will always get indoctrinated, TIM is indoctrinated, but this one time, Shep can do it & not get indoctrinated because its the ending?  Total BS.

 

Also, I ignore/retcon the whole all synthetics get screwed by Destroy thing because everything Starbrat says is an affront to good writing.

[angol fear]

Destroy is the only viable option as far as I'm concerned because Synthesis nullifies free will for the entire galaxy & Control goes against the entire trilogy in its head-poundingly awful retcon-- never use Reaper tech for anything, you will always get indoctrinated, TIM is indoctrinated, but this one time, Shep can do it & not get indoctrinated because its the ending?  Total BS.

 

Also, I ignore/retcon the whole all synthetics get screwed by Destroy thing because everything Starbrat says is an affront to good writing.

 

"good writing"... Then what's good writing? Hollywood's films and series that get more and more stupid? Fantasy which is a reactionary genre based on fairy tales writing? When people are said everything before it happens, using the same conformist tools, sorry but that's not good writing.

[Alonsochirinos7]

I chose Control, because as the Catalyst explains to you, is the only option (apart from Destroy) that will assure you that the reapers will stop and also stop the harvesting cycles. Control will make Shepard's mind to be the new Catalyst (that's how i see it) so the Reapers will do as he says, no more cycles, organics and synthetics get to live, Reapers stays arounds and help species (as Shepard commands). Destroy will stop Reapers and the harvesting BUT will also destroy synthetics, so no EDI and no Geth for ya. Also, as catalyst says, destroying the reapers will doom future for organics, as every cycle the same thing always repeats, organics creates synthetics - synthetics ''evolve'' and start surpassing organics - organics and synthetics start a war because organics feel surpassed by their creations and synthetics can't understand the organics - eventually synthetics win the war, killing the organic live, The Reapers were created so that wouldn't happen, their solution wasn't the best idea, but it worked. Synthesis seems far fetched to me, understanding between organics and synthetics just seems to good to be real, like heaven or some ****, so i don't really count it as a real ending.

[God]

I think anyone discounting the synthetic issue is making a very large short-term mistake based on short-term information and simple distaste with the ending.

 

Yes, there are other variables out there. But that doesn't mean that the variables equal up to the concept of the tech singularity (ie synthesis). 

 

Anyone who denies that it's going to happen is rather misinformed. 

 

Yes, I am dismissing certain arguments against the ending from certain people. Mainly because they aren't reflective, logical, or rational. 

[dorktainian]

Why would anyone not choose destroy?

 

Unless you want to give starjar the middle finger and choose refuse, there is no other choice.  

[Ithurael]

Why would anyone not choose destroy?

 

Unless you want to give starjar the middle finger and choose refuse, there is no other choice.  

 

Or you could just give him the ULTIMATE middle finger and replace him...via control.

 

It be like..."You know starjar, I'm really happy for you and all, but Ima make one of the best cycles of all time...ALL TIME!!!"

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why would anyone not choose destroy?

 

Unless you want to give starjar the middle finger and choose refuse, there is no other choice.  

 

Pre-EC I picked Control because I figured Shepalyst could just order the self destruction of the Reapers and avoid the death of the Geth.

[Linkenski]

Pre-EC control ended up being my favorite too because it was the only ending that didn't destroy the Mass Relays. I never figured the entire galaxy was "doomed" by the destruction of the relays but I just didn't want galactic dark age.

 

I like that EC fixed it by saying "we can rebuild them" except of course it's really clumsy now becuase Joker and Co land on the jungle planet just to fly off again when they used to be stranded and the Mass Relays blow up just so they can say "nevermind, they can be rebuilt".

[Winterking]

It's usually destroy for me. I picked Control once because I really like the Renegade speech with BroShep. 

[fraggle]

First time I was a bit overwhelmed, and in the end I chose to add my energy for the Synthesis so that everyone could live together. But it felt so wrong. Who am I to define all current life, this whole creating a new DNA thing left a sour taste in my mouth.

So I re-loaded and picked Destroy, and that's the ending I will always pick from now on. I mean, sure, in this ending I'm also the one deciding who lives and who dies, but... destroying the Reapers was always the goal, the goal for which everyone worked their asses off. Even if that meant sacrificing all Synthetics. I felt bad about the Geth because I just achieved peace between them and the Quarians, and of course for EDI. But it left me a whole lot more satisfied, seeing that all Organics stayed the way they were.

[KotorEffect3]

In most playthroughs I choose destroy.  It is the best overall option because it takes out the reapers permanently.  It sucks for EDI and the Geth but the cycle must be ended.

[GalacticWolf5]

My canon ending is Paragon Control.

 

My Shepard believed that using the Reapers to protect people was a better option than destroying them along with every other synthetic life.

 

Yes, he knew that conflict between Synthetics and Organics would come back some day, but he could handle it a different way.

[dorktainian]

If the reapers remain then surely this means we're boned?  Unless the point is that Squiddys need someone to replace that naughty catalyst... hence why control may work.  But how can you die and then affect anything?  Seriously?

[Darkarus]

I choose destroy because while the lose of edi and the geth is tragic I feel that after the reaper war the galaxy will need someone to rally around to preserve the unity that helped us survive.

[SwobyJ]

I choose destroy because while the lose of edi and the geth is tragic I feel that after the reaper war the galaxy will need someone to rally around to preserve the unity that helped us survive.

 

The bolded part is especially important there, imo.

 

Because Control and Synthesis galaxies are damn unified imo.

 

But whatever 'version' of Shepard exists in Control and Synthesis... ehh.... it won't be the same... this won't be the Shepard that faced down this threat in a great way.

 

I do think that Breath Destroy galaxy (when literally viewed at least; damn my theories!) sets up a galaxy most actually ready to deal with ('deal with') conflicts outside its nature. Yes, Control can keep this galaxy the most intact as we knew it/came to understand it. Yes, Synthesis resolves the Organic vs. Synthetic cycle outright and seemingly will spread out/sideward to unknown reaches. But I feel Destroy will be most ready to actually directly face threats to its existence, overall.

Yep, Control has Reapers. And I'm talking about threats better than and possibly able to take advantage of the nature of Reapers.

Yep, Synthesis has Reapers and a society that goes far beyond anything we 'can ever imagine'. And I think that sort of situation in literature is set for eventual drastic downfall.

But I think Destroy, while more clearly limited than Control and Synthesis, may result in the TYPE of unity that would 'stand strong' the most (less complexity to deal with and erode/self-destruct over), even if not the longest. That Destroy builds something more sturdy even after it stops standing strong and may fall to its own conflict. Basically, I think that the extra struggle that Destroy may go over, but the remembrance of the Unity that it once had, will fuel even forms of 'Control' (aka proliferation of AI) and 'Synthesis' (aka merging with machines) that could eventually surpass anything of the circumstances of Control and Synthesis themselves.

But that's the type of faith it takes for a Paragon to pick Destroy, I guess! In the shorter term, Destroy absolutely does get the shorter stick, but at least I can more reliably understand the problems it'll face. The other two, well, Control sounds outright ominous and yes, I am concerned how it'll deal with those who want more freedom than 'Shep' will allow (even if its a better situation than the Cycles by far), and Synthesis is too dreamy-dream-dream-fantasy-utopia that I honestly am prepared for it crashing but still to a good enough result that a future galaxy civilization can collect the advances that were made and end up with that Stargazer scene merging-of-canon regardless.

But yay, headcanon. To justify the 'goods' of Destroy, I have to exercise my own hope and faith, just as the other endings have to exercise hope and faith in the Reapers.. something I'm not quite willing to do. At least in this game.

 

EDIT: I want to reinforce that I believe that in the MEU, AI itself is nearly inevitable, and perhaps forms of conflict (though it may be highly minimized - hi EDI, you killer!!!). So Destroy just sets up a world that is more *aware* of the galactic extent of AI (not dumbed by Leviathan), and may be more ready, at some point (whether anti-AIers want it or not) to take it on in a form that may be even better than the Reapers provide. For all we know, the vast knowledge inside the Reapers (note: AS the Reaper, not just as information) may end up to be a crutch, though I'm talking on the more universal/multi-galactic scale here.

[KaiserShep]

It's usually destroy for me. I picked Control once because I really like the Renegade speech with BroShep. 

Yeah, other than Destroy, the only other ending I kind of like is the Renegade Control, which is what my a-hole Shepard takes. He's going to rule the galaxy with an iron tentacle.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Mac and Casey wanted Synthesis for the ending. It is obvious. "Brave New World" and "First Matrix Ending" According to the "Final Hours" notes it is the only one that makes any sense. Yet it is so poorly presented that it makes no sense at all. The ending is a charlie foxtrot. Nothing makes any sense after the elevator to the sky. I end the game with The Citadel DLC party before the assault on Cerberus because the writing really goes downhill from there. Even though the DLC was a total disconnect, it is a farewell to the characters and a better one than what awaits.

 

Bad Writing Theory.

[D Wrecks]

Destroyed those damn reapers.

 

Why?

 

Reapers in your games lived because you allowed it; they died in mine because everyone else demanded it.