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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Saren is the most charismatic of the bunch, by far. 

 

Shepard also sees the vision Anderson nodding in approval no matter which Crucible option he/she chooses.

 

Not that I care about his approval. Bootlicker.

[SporkFu]

I'd like to throw in my support for refusal.

 

Especially since all the other choices end in a suicide. Unless Shepard is actually sure the Catalyst is speaking the truth, there really should be no other choice than refusal. Because death is final, and after Shep chooses Destroy/control/synthesis, he/she has no way to know the result. Trust the Catalyst or sacrifice the Crucible plan to live another day.

 

While you're alive, there's always hope. When you're dead, you're dead.

 

Of course, we all know how refusal ends. But the Shepard we played could not know.

Well everyone drilled it into him the whole game, "you know we can't defeat the reapers conventionally." Shep had to know refusing to use the crucible was probably a bad idea. 

[SporkFu]

Shepard also sees the vision Anderson nodding in approval no matter which Crucible option he/she chooses.

 

Not that I care about his approval. Bootlicker.

Until I came here, I never really realized how much hatred there is for Anderson on the network.  I didn't mind the guy so much, I mean sure, he probably should have stayed retired, but still.... I just keep in mind that Vhailor would have kicked all their asses. 

[Obadiah]

Control.

Because I'm not sacrificing the Geth, I'm not changing everyone in the galaxy without consulting them first, and I actually do trust myself with that much power, thank-you very much. So, aside from the self-sacrifice involved (no body any more, probably going to outlive everyone I know...), I really don't see a downside to Control.

This is mostly my position. Might as well use that Reaper power for something useful.

[sveners]

Well everyone drilled it into him the whole game, "you know we can't defeat the reapers conventionally." Shep had to know refusing to use the crucible was probably a bad idea. 

 

Of course.

 

The point was that in refusing the Crucible Shepard would still be alive, and able to do something/nothing/anything. The character can still have faith, however faint, that we'll find other ways. We the players are the only ones who know for sure that refusal will end in annihilation.

 

Trusting the Catalyst means Shep dies, hoping/trusting the universe to be saved. The level of that trust is proportionate to the level of belief in the Catalysts explanations, and/or assertions.

 

Shepard can die with a remote hope that the Galaxy will live, or with a strong conviction that it will. She cannot know.

[SporkFu]

Of course.

 

The point was that in refusing the Crucible Shepard would still be alive, and able to do something/nothing/anything. The character can still have faith, however faint, that we'll find other ways. We the players are the only ones who know for sure that refusal will end in annihilation.

 

Trusting the Catalyst means Shep dies, hoping/trusting the universe to be saved. The level of that trust is proportionate to the level of belief in the Catalysts explanations, and/or assertions.

 

Shepard can die with a remote hope that the Galaxy will live, or with a strong conviction that it will. She cannot know.

What is shep going to be able to do from where he is, hurt as bad as he is, while the reapers annihilate the remaining fleets. Won't be long before there's nothing for the reapers to do but clean up the mess. I mean, sure, like the protheans, they can keep fighting, but they won't beat the reapers. Priority: Earth was all or nothing. 

[Teddie Sage]

MEHEM as my headcanon, Destroy on PS3.

[Orikon]

Successful Refusal (I had super-high EMS in the first playthrough) personally,and Destroy in the normal,canon game.

[emaughan]

Saving the reapers is the renagade OR paragon option (or should be) A renagade would take control for his benefit (being king of the universe, etc)

And a paragon would help other people, using mordins theory

 

“Lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients ; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way - helps"

[Wynterdust]

Destroy. Simply because that was the mission and it is incredibly stupid to suddenly trust the enemy at the last moment in it's desperate attempt to avoid defeat.

[JasonShepard]

Destroy. Simply because that was the mission and it is incredibly stupid to suddenly trust the enemy at the last moment in it's desperate attempt to avoid defeat.

 

You do realise that you're still trusting them when you pick Destroy, right?

[emaughan]

You do realise that you're still trusting them when you pick Destroy, right?

 

 

true true very smart that was

[Wynterdust]

What I mean by that is the results of the other options.

[themikefest]

But why? Why you didn't like the other two? 

I have already posted that I always pick destroy

 

Why I don't like the others

 

Control - everyone is always looking over their shoulder wondering when/if the reapers will fire their laser. And the reapers are still around. That sucks

 

For me to pick control, the dialogue for the Shepard catalyst 2.0 has to change, Instead of it saying it will protect the many or whatever, I like for it to say that after the galaxy is rebuilt it will fly the reapers into the nearest sun. Also have a slide showing that is the case.

 

Synthesis - forcing something usually doesn't turn out well and I like my DNA not some new crap the Leviathan turd is talking about. And the reapers are still around. That sucks

 

There is nothing that would get me to choose the green ending.

[KaiserShep]

You do realise that you're still trusting them when you pick Destroy, right?

 

Trust is irrelevant. I don't have to trust that the Catalyst isn't yanking my chain for the lulz to pick something, because it's either pick something or everyone dies.

[emaughan]

I have already posted that I always pick destroy

 

Why I don't like the others

 

Control - everyone is always looking over their shoulder wondering when/if the reapers will fire their laser. And the reapers are still around. That sucks

 

For me to pick control, the dialogue for the Shepard catalyst 2.0 has to change, Instead of it saying it will protect the many or whatever, I like for it to say that after the galaxy is rebuilt it will fly the reapers into the nearest sun. Also have a slide showing that is the case.

 

Synthesis - forcing something usually doesn't turn out well and I like my DNA not some new crap the Leviathan turd is talking about. And the reapers are still around. That sucks

 

There is nothing that would get me to choose the green ending.

 

 

I agree with not picking synthesis. It would cause great psychological stress being changed like that., being something all of a sudden, something you weren't a nano second before

[Display Name Owner]

Destroy.

 

I dislike Synthesis on general principle. It's not something I'd want to force on the whole galaxy and even if it actually is the "ultimate evolutionary form" or whatever Catalyst said it feels like something people should come to naturally. Plus it's just got a creepy vibe.

 

I don't pick control partly because it seems risky. Moreover Destroy felt the most hopeful to me. With Control the Reapers just patch everything up and leave it the way they found it, with Destroy there's at least the chance to rebuild the world in a better way. Control is kind of just resetting things to how they were before, which in practical terms is probably ideal, but whatevs. It's like no one needs to learn anything or try to grow from the experience (to put it in a cheesy way) because the Reapers just randomly tidied up and left politely.

[emaughan]

Destroy.

 

I dislike Synthesis on general principle. It's not something I'd want to force on the whole galaxy and even if it actually is the "ultimate evolutionary form" or whatever Catalyst said it feels like something people should come to naturally. Plus it's just got a creepy vibe.

 

I don't pick control partly because it seems risky. Moreover Destroy felt the most hopeful to me. With Control the Reapers just patch everything up and leave it the way they found it, with Destroy there's at least the chance to rebuild the world in a better way. Control is kind of just resetting things to how they were before, which in practical terms is probably ideal, but whatevs. It's like no one needs to learn anything or try to grow from the experience (to put it in a cheesy way) because the Reapers just randomly tidied up and left politely.

 

Destroy seems what a realistic shepard would do.

[JasonShepard]

Trust is irrelevant. I don't have to trust that the Catalyst isn't yanking my chain for the lulz to pick something, because it's either pick something or everyone dies.

 

Exactly - I was pointing out that discarding Control and Synthesis because you don't trust the Catalyst is meaningless if you're then going to trust the Catalyst by picking Destroy. There are other, better reasons to discard Control and Synthesis - they're both of them much more risky than Destroy.

[Obadiah]

You do realise that you're still trusting them when you pick Destroy, right?

I think when most people use the word "trust" in this context, they mean trust the Reapers to behave afterwards the Crucible is fired, when there is no longer a Destroy pointed at them.

[Wynterdust]

I think when most people use the word "trust" in this context, they mean trust the Reapers to behave afterwards the Crucible is fired, when there is no longer a Destroy pointed at them.Yes

Aye. Was about to reply saying just that but you're a bit quicker than me.

[JasonShepard]

Fair enough. I guess I have a bad tendency to read things too literally. I fully understand now.

 

No hard feelings, Wynterdust?

[Wynterdust]

Of course not. Wasn't taking any offense from it.

[Shepard Commander]

Control in my first play through, Destroy in my second, and I do not plan on ever choosing Synthesis. I think from now on I will just choose control because no one dies that way.

[Cknarf]

"I feel like my choices didn't matter."

*picks refuse*