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[Reorte]

Destroy - gets rid of the Reapers, with some completely arbtirary negatives thrown in. Canon choice, fewest long-term reprecussions.

Control - no logical reason to trust it in the slightest. Control freak power-hungry Shep might chose it.

Synthesis - I've explained my complete objections to this often enough in the past.

Refuse - no choice.

[Obadiah]

@JasonShepard
I kinda figure that meant certain emotions similar to fear and love would be gone. Others like pride, shame, and curiousity seem more... logical(?)... or at least deterministic, so I think those will still be there.

Nevertheless, I imagine the new Shepard AI as an AI modelled on Shepards beliefs, with complete access to his experiences and memories. It can remember emotion, but can no longer experience it.

[jtav]

EDI has emotions. But Shepalyst is nigh unto a god. If they ever tried to relate to their former crew, it'd be more like my relationship with my dog than anything.

[Iakus]

EDI has emotions. But Shepalyst is nigh unto a god. If they ever tried to relate to their former crew, it'd be more like my relationship with my dog than anything.

Even that's pretty optimistic.

 

I'm thinking more like a relationship with an ant farm

[Obadiah]

EDI has emotions. But Shepalyst is nigh unto a god.
...

Yeah, I thought a bit about that. I'm not sure EDI's "emotions" translate into love or gratitude or just some sort of an experimental relationship awareness - not that I was against EDI experimenting since relationships can be like that. Somehow, I think the Shepard AI will not have the same reaction to people.

If it ever made its presence known to Shepard's LI, I'm sure it would be deferential. But its probably beyond ideas of pure illogical selflessness, and thinks more in terms of consequences.

[MissMayhem96]

High EMS Destroy, Shepard and Garrus get to live somewhere tropical and live off royalties in the vids and adopt baby Krogan.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

High EMS Destroy, Shepard and Garrus get to live somewhere tropical and live off royalties in the vids and adopt baby Krogan.

 

That's about the most boring way to end a legacy.

[MissMayhem96]

I don't care, it's my Shepard. Not yours.

[KaiserShep]

That's about the most boring way to end a legacy.

 

Personally, I wouldn't mind having the luxury of being able to lead a "boring" life and leave all that combatant nonsense behind and let some other poor sucker deal with the legacy for a while. But then, I was never one for the life of constant excitement anyway, because it exhausts and annoys me. If I was doing what Shepard was doing, it'd either be because I had no choice, or because I was enjoying the benefits that came with it (seeing space, getting paid, etc.). Something something something shirking responsibility, something something something complete.

[Ithurael]

Chose destroy three times. Only had three playthroughs.

 

Never played since.

 

it was all meh, eh, and "hmm that's not right"

[Iakus]

Personally, I wouldn't mind having the luxury of being able to lead a "boring" life and leave all that combatant nonsense behind and let some other poor sucker deal with the legacy for a while. But then, I was never one for the life of constant excitement anyway, because it exhausts and annoys me. If I was doing what Shepard was doing, it'd either be because I had no choice, or because I was enjoying the benefits that came with it (seeing space, getting paid, etc.). Something something something shirking responsibility, something something something complete.

 

I had thought of putting: and he lived happily ever afterwards to the end of his days. It is a good ending, and none the worse for having been used before

 

Bilbo Baggins

 

And I agree

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there. To find a place where we could live the rest of our lives in peace and happiness."

 

"Really?"

 

"Yes, I have one picked out. It's really off the grid. All we have to do is..."

 

"Liara, I'm on it."

[Iakus]

"It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there. To find a place where we could live the rest of our lives in peace and happiness."

 

"Really?"

 

"Yes, I have one picked out. It's really off the grid. All we have to do is..."

 

"Liara, I'm on it."

 

Perfect ending:

 

Gather up all the surviving characters from ME1-ME3, take the Normandy, and just go off the grid.

[KaiserShep]

In all likelihood, there would be a mutiny aboard the ship if Shepard tried to do that (James would most likely lead the uprising). It really comes down to whether or not EDI would approve of the plan, because whether the crew really appreciates it or not, they are all at her mercy.

[Battlebloodmage]

Destroy is the best ending if they didn't try to go all philosophical with the story. Their writing is not good enough for that.

[Barquiel]

Destroy - I feel bad for EDI/the geth, but the destruction ending is the only one that kills the reapers and ends the cycle beyond a shadow of a doubt. It also affirms the freedom of organic life. And Shepard promised Liara to always come back!

Paragon Control would be my second choice.

[Ieldra]

My main Shepard chose Synthesis, because of the themes of fast-tracked advancement and "joining with the Other" expressed in it. Control expressed order at the expense of freedom and Destroy not just freedom (which would be good) but there's also a "sacred nature" theme in it which affirms the special value of organic life as opposed to synthetic life which I don't at all agree with. Regardless of the problems with the presentation of the ending, Synthesis is the only way my main Shepard's story could've ended. Because I didn't agree with the forced heroic sacrifice, I wrote a little piece of fanfic where he came back after the Event. In the time since ME3 came out, this has settled into "my" story version in my mind.

 

Some other Shepards chose Control because after they had experienced, they didn't believe the galaxy would get its act together and survive without supervision, at least not for the foreseeable future. None chose Destroy because it feels too much like a giant step backward to me even though the EC version tried to change that feature.

 

Regardless of the fact that through a lot of mental work I was able to make my peace with the ending, I never want to experience something like this again. Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending of ME3 to be remembered. Never has "Be careful what you wish for. You might get it" been more appropriate.

[katamuro]

I tried synthesis at the start. But it felt off, so I went back the same moment and tried again with control, that was even worse, so I went back and chose destroy. That felt the best, even before EC. For me the fight against the Reapers, the fight against the Cerberus that Shepard had, was the fight to remain human. A fight to have the ability to choose without the order or something else imposed by a greater power. Reapers if they remain, even if in Shepard's control or turned to be good still remain the most powerful thing in the galaxy. No one can do anything that will be against the new order of Shepard or techno-organic species backed by Reapers. 

Shepard was a soldier, he fought for others, to give them a life, the sacrifice if Shepard, all the choices leading up to it would be meaningless if in the end he decided to impose something on the galaxy where no one could object. Something as drastic as free-roaming Reapers. 

But that is my Shepard.

[congokong]

I destroyed the reapers. If the catalyst is right then organics will be screwed eventually but my Shepard is an organic and thus wouldn't think that long-term anyway. Synthesis is too invasive and like Control has the risk of just being a giant laser that vaporizes you. Think about it. This is the creator of the reapers who suggests jumping in. Remember the reapers? They are the ones who use all methods from utter annihilation to deceptive broadcasts to get their way. I wouldn't put lying above the star-child. It might even be lying about the destroy option too but I doubt shooting the machinery would be healthy for it. If I knew Control wouldn't just vaporize me, I still wouldn't do it because besides sounding so depressing it seems too dangerous. That's too much power for anyone to have and how long before someone else gets control of the reapers? What if controlling the reapers somehow makes you think like the catalyst, and thus accomplishing nothing? Too many unknowns. Too many questions. Best to shoot it.

[CosmicGnosis]

My main Shepard chose Synthesis, because of the themes of fast-tracked advancement and "joining with the Other" expressed in it. Control expressed order at the expense of freedom and Destroy not just freedom (which would be good) but there's also a "sacred nature" theme in it which affirms the special value of organic life as opposed to synthetic life which I don't at all agree with.

I don't understand why many people fail to recognize these themes.

 

For me the fight against the Reapers, the fight against the Cerberus that Shepard had, was the fight to remain human. A fight to have the ability to choose without the order or something else imposed by a greater power.

Well, synthetics certainly aren't human. I guess they don't deserve to survive the Crucible detonation.

 

Frankly, I'd rather become more than human. The question that must be asked, however, is "What is the difference between becoming more than human and becoming less than human?"

[Iakus]

My main Shepard chose Synthesis, because of the themes of fast-tracked advancement and "joining with the Other" expressed in it. Control expressed order at the expense of freedom and Destroy not just freedom (which would be good) but there's also a "sacred nature" theme in it which affirms the special value of organic life as opposed to synthetic life which I don't at all agree with.

 

 

 

I don't understand why many people fail to recognize these themes.

 

I recognize them.  And despise them.  Thus why I reject all the endings.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I don't understand why many people fail to recognize these themes.

 

Themes are somewhat subjective.

[CosmicGnosis]

Themes are somewhat subjective.

Yeah, but this particular interpretation isn't very mind-bending:

 

Destroy - The organic choice. Shepard sacrifices his synthetic aspect. Organics rule the galaxy (the chaos of organic evolution).

Control - The synthetic choice. Shepard sacrifices his organic aspect. Synthetics rule the galaxy (in the form of the Reapers; bring order to the chaos).

Synthesis - The balance choice. Shepard's entire being is added to the Crucible. Organics and synthetics are equal in power.

 

It's very straightforward and easy to grasp. The biggest problem is the presentation. Synthesis is supposed to be the best, but its botched presentation allows people to associate it with themes of racism and anti-diversity.

[Kabraxal]

Yeah, but this particular interpretation isn't very mind-bending:

 

Destroy - The organic choice. Shepard sacrifices his synthetic aspect. Organics rule the galaxy (the chaos of organic evolution).

Control - The synthetic choice. Shepard sacrifices his organic aspect. Synthetics rule the galaxy (in the form of the Reapers; bring order to the chaos).

Synthesis - The balance choice. Shepard's entire being is added to the Crucible. Organics and synthetics are equal in power.

 

It's very straightforward and easy to grasp. The biggest problem is the presentation. Synthesis is supposed to be the best, but its botched presentation allows people to associate it with themes of racism and anti-diversity.

I think many people understood the attempt, most just didn't agree with forcing the choice on the entire galaxy regardless and the fact that none of these decisions actually reflected the main themes and instead focused on some weird technological singularity tangent that was more suited to Deus Ex than to Mass Effect.  Hence why it's refuse each and every time now with an instant reload to play the Citadel DLC as the last little annoying Cerberus hiccup that must be dealt with before the party to celebrate the victory.  Surprisingly it works really well that way.  Head canons for the win.

[themikefest]

In all likelihood, there would be a mutiny aboard the ship if Shepard tried to do that (James would most likely lead the uprising). It really comes down to whether or not EDI would approve of the plan, because whether the crew really appreciates it or not, they are all at her mercy.

Just do what Cat 6 did. Shutdown the robot and it won't bother you anymore