In the initial pic in the OP I was like "Huh, not bad. They may have fixed that creepy DAII-Elf body-type, I might make my Inquisitor an Elf."
THEN I saw the follow up image with the oddly small, frail, DAII-Elf body.
And thus my opinion changed to "Goddammit, well......I guess I'm sticking with Human-Inquisitor."
Two steps forward, one step back eh BioWare?
Did they ever say which Creator each design was for? I would like to know so that it can be a factor in the one I pick (if we are getting those one's back). I also hope we get more and more versions of the one's that already exist.
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I used this one in Origins.
Not officially, but a fan did some work to correspond the vallaslin designs to the respective Creators. You can check it out here.
As much as I'd love better hair textures, I think they should focus on fixing the bugs they have now and tuning the MP.
With proper resource management they can have both, since the team that does the art isn't the same team that works on the codes.
Did they ever say which Creator each design was for? I would like to know so that it can be a factor in the one I pick (if we are getting those one's back). I also hope we get more and more versions of the one's that already exist.
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I used this one in Origins.
Yep this one is nice. This one is my favorite though (June symbol according to the guide linked by LobselVith8).
With proper resource management they can have both, since the team that does the art isn't the same team that works on the codes.
If the only way to make your point is by comparing playing a game you dislike to eating feces, then maybe your point wasn't that good to begin with.
I didn't. I said "should I?". And even if I had, that wasn't my comparison's point. My point was that tastes do indeed matter but sometimes you're in the minority on liking some things, I wasn't comparing any game to any bodily fluid Fact is that most of the fanbase disliked the DA2 designs and since Bioware wants to please the most amount of their fanbase that they can, that meant going back to the style the fanbase approved of more. Sometimes your tastes run counter to typical opinion. That isn't even always bad, but it does mean that typically you're going to be the one disappointed because things aren't going to go the way you wanted to... They're going to go the way most people wanted it to.
Fact is that most of the fanbase disliked the DA2 designs
Citation?
That isn't even always bad, but it does mean that typically you're going to be the one disappointed because things aren't going to go the way you wanted to... They're going to go the way most people wanted it to.
Most people don't play dwarves. BioWare's decisions aren't always (or even the majority of the time, I would venture) based on numbers.
Did they ever say which Creator each design was for? I would like to know so that it can be a factor in the one I pick (if we are getting those one's back). I also hope we get more and more versions of the one's that already exist.
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I used this one in Origins.
♥ that design is my favourite too. and the possibility of it actually representing Ghilan'nain just makes me like it even more and want it even more for my inquisitor. i hope that the designs really were supposed to be based on the different Creators, because that is just so cool if so
i also love the Sylaise vallaslin, i had the complex design for one of my wardens and it was beautiful on her
(i don't have a pic of my warden but this is the vallaslin)
But changing the character model will introduce new bugs. New hairstyles means adding to the CC UI. Increasing the resolution of the textures means more work optimizing the graphics and how the game handles details. Actually adding in hair physics would certainly mean more coding.
I don't think there are minor changes that would result in the level of improvement I'd like to see.
You misunderstand, textures =/= new hair styles
textures is the patterns that exist to give the hair life and it slightly affects the hair model when they may need to for example create a gap or add a couple of hairs to make it look better.. Great hair texture means that the hair isn't just plainly a certain colour or just has some black lines drawn on it.
Citation?
Most people don't play dwarves. BioWare's decisions aren't always (or even the majority of the time, I would venture) based on numbers.
Citation is the forum. How many threads did we see on how bad the elven design was in DA2? Tons? Threads praising the design?... None. I know BSN isn't any kind of proof, but even a cursory glance at the DA2 forum would tell you how the fanbase on here was swinging.
Also using BSN still, but more hard numbers.
http://forum.bioware...1-da2-elves-34/
I admit that was closer than expected, but still.
And the dwarf comparison doesn't work. While that is true, there's a big difference in "should we arbitrarily remove a race that has been selectable from the beginning and tick off a lot of people?" and "should we use the DA2 design again even though the fanbase was not exactly favorable of it?".
She looks nice but the more screenshots I see the less hope I hold out on longer hair like the ones in the original concepts.
Citation is the forum. How many threads did we see on how bad the elven design was in DA2? Tons? Threads praising the design?... None. I know BSN isn't any kind of proof, but even a cursory glance at the DA2 forum would tell you how the fanbase on here was swinging.
The forum don't actually reflect the reality of the majority of players, so no, that doesn't count.
And the dwarf comparison doesn't work. While that is true, there's a big difference in "should we arbitrarily remove a race that has been selectable from the beginning and tick off a lot of people?" and "should we use the DA2 design again even though the fanbase was not exactly favorable of it?".
It's not arbitrary - it would be as simple as not including it as an option. It takes more effort to preserve it than not.
The forum don't actually reflect the reality of the majority of players, so no, that doesn't count.
It's not arbitrary - it would be as simple as not including it as an option. It takes more effort to preserve it than not.
Right, and I'm sure if it agreed with your position that you would see no problem in using that poll to support your argument. I'm sure you throwing it out of hand has nothing to do with it disagreeing with you.
Why do you think this? Your assumption that the fanbase overwhelmingly prefers the DAO design (i. e. short, thin humans with pointy ears) to the DA2 design is based on personal opinion, anecdote, and a very small sample size. I tend not to use such inherently flawed sources in my arguments.
So you see no difference in removing a significant part of the character customization and merely changing a race design back to an older one? Significant gameplay mechanic that is at the core of the series=race design that neither adds or removes much of anything to or from the game? And you don't think that removing dwarves as an option while bringing every other race back as selectable would result in the same level of anger from fans as this redesign would have? Well... That's stupid, in about every way it could be.
I think individual fans will react strongly to just about anything. And the fact of the matter is, less people play dwarves than prefer the DA2 design, and they're still including them in Inquisition. The devs probably have their own reason for the redesign.
The forum don't actually reflect the reality of the majority of players, so no, that doesn't count.
It's not arbitrary - it would be as simple as not including it as an option. It takes more effort to preserve it than not.
Plus 17% isn't a huge amount either.
Not officially, but a fan did some work to correspond the vallaslin designs to the respective Creators. You can check it out here.
Seems pretty accurate. The Elfquisitors design doesn't look much like any of the designs we have seen before but I guess there could be more variation on each design and we don't know if all the clans always use the same designs. It would be awesome if they listed which god each one was if some are gonna be different.
I wonder if players who choose not to have one will have any ingame reactivity for that, I doubt they are going to force one on you but it would be odd not to have one and would need some explaining.
Seems pretty accurate. The Elfquisitors design doesn't look much like any of the designs we have seen before but I guess there could be more variation on each design and we don't know if all the clans always use the same designs. It would be awesome if they listed which god each one was if some are gonna be different.
I wonder if players who choose not to have one will have any ingame reactivity for that, I doubt they are going to force one on you but it would be odd not to have one and would need some explaining.
My hope is that the vallaslin designs (and the Creators who they correspond to) are provided before Inquisition is released.
If you can't handle the pain of the ritual, or if the Keeper decides you're not ready, the elf wouldn't get vallaslin. A Dalish usually receives vallaslin around 18 years of age. For anyone who is interested, the lore reads, "The ritual deserves great reverence. The one who is to gain the vallaslin must prepare by meditating on the gods and the ways of our people, and by purifying the body and the skin. When the time comes, the keeper of the clan applies the blood writing. This is done in complete silence. Cries of pain are signs of weakness. If one cannot tolerate the pain of the blood writing, they are not ready to undertake the responsibilities of an adult. The keeper may stop the ritual if they decide that the one gaining the vallaslin is not ready. There is no shame in this, for all children are different, and our ancestors once took centuries to come of age."
I'd imagine that, lore wise, there should be some reaction to a Dalish not having one, but I'm not sure if the game will acknowledge it. Sounds like a great question to ask one of the developers on twitter.
I liked the vallaslin, and I hope the original designs are available in Inquisition; I'd like to go with the design for Elgar'nan with my first elven Inquisitor.
My first Dalish Warden's vallaslin were the design dedicated to Falon'din (if the fan who had speculated about them was correct) - he wound up as an assassin/duelist. 
I REALLY hope the extra month will help them iron out the issues with long hair and make it into the game.
Having nice long hair (that uses phyiscs) would be nice, anything even near Tomb Raider or The Witcher would be amazing rather then just the short-hair that looks bolted onto your characters head and it never moves or reacts to anything.
That's a contradiction. Either they have a human body with long ears or they have a DA2 elven body, it can't be both at the same time. That's like saying "they flopped back to her looking like a man yet kept him looking like a female"... It doesn't make sense. It's one or the other.
i think he meant the head went back to being "humans with pointy ears" and the body stayed with the DA2 model.
honestly i think they shouldve reversed it and kept the DA2 heads and DA:O bodies, those really thin bodies look way too weird.
I'm so glad they stuck to the DA2 body-shape for elves.
I like that DA2 elves are more like fairies than Tolkien elves or humans with pointy ears.
I'm unsure why people keep wanting other body-types if you just complain when you get them...
Though I am glad they changed the face design away from DA2.
She looks great!
Well as far as the hair being bolted to their heads, we know how much BioWare loves Legos.
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