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[ShadowLordXII]

In Origins, Mairon Amell was a sadistic, homicidal maniac with no qualms about theft or senseless and random murder or abusing his Maker-given magic to kill his enemies in the most cruel manner possible. (Typically involving Blood Wound+Fire Ball and/or Walking Bomb...the latter was occasionally applied to allies and expendable party members like Alistair or Leliana (He purposefully kept them under-equipped))

 

The only time that he ever showed a sliver of humanity was by saving the Circle, but that's only because killing the mages there would've been approved by the templars, so he decided to spite them. He also ended up killing Wynne anyway because he acted like he agreed with Cullen.

 

In DAII, I don't think I ever played a Hawke who was quite so evil. The worst that I got was with my aggressive Hawke, but that's not really evil, just not nice.

 

So how bad can we be in DAI? Burn down orphanages with children still inside? Backstab allies out of pure spite? Butcher villages just because we can? Extort the helpless for our own selfish needs? Leave our companions/advisors to a cruel and undeserved fate? Outright join the demon invasion and let the world burn?

[OctagonalSquare]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

[Icy Magebane]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

rofl... welcome to the internet.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I don't know if you can "outright join the demon invasion," but it has been said that the game can end with the demons victorious.

 

I think the most "evil" class that you can play is the necromancer. As far as I can tell, it's basically standing in for the blood mage from Origins.

 

This is what Cameron Lee had to say on the matter a while back:

 

I love being able to RP "Evil". I say "evil" because my character doesent really need or want people to suffer needlessly, my character just want power over all else and total obidience. In other words my character is ambition driven and not the "Evil for evil's sake" kinda person. I guess he would be between lawful evil and lawful neutral in a DnD scale.

 

As for the quote from Morrigan. Being able to fail miserably is more important to me than RPing "evil". Because imo success is only measured on a scale from how far you can fail. If the WORST ENDING means saving the world, then the ability to build forts and teams is pointless. (This is why Mass Effect 2 is my perfect game to date based on my criteria for what makes a game good)

 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

Maybe some people live out their violent alter-egos ingame instead of in the real world. Isnt that a good thing? 

[LobselVith8]

So how bad can we be in DAI? Burn down orphanages with children still inside? Backstab allies out of pure spite? Butcher villages just because we can? Extort the helpless for our own selfish needs? Leave our companions/advisors to a cruel and undeserved fate? Outright join the demon invasion and let the world burn?

 

According to Lady Insanity's raptr wrapup, it was noted that the player can't go "full evil", but that there would be opportunity for the player to pursue 'unsavory choices'.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

According to Lady Insanity's raptr wrapup, it was noted that the player can't go "full evil", but that there would be opportunity for the player to pursue 'unsavory choices'.

So yet again "Be anyone you want to be" still gets pidgeon holed into forcing your character to be a goody-two-shoes superheroic avatar of justice that upholds law and order upholding moral and ethical values with an iron fist?

 

(And no - burning a village because it is needed or torturing someone for info if it is for the greater good does not count as evil)

And also - no - I dont want to play an "Evil for the sake of evil" psycopath. I just want to be ambitious and destroy any people standing in the way of the Inquisition becomming my personal praetorian guard 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

some males roll female PCs and romance other females (males, nugs, whatever), others want their PC to be the ultimate sith.

because doing stuff you would never done IRL in-game is fun? because goody-two shoes want to vent in other ways than ripping the face off their bosses/wife/husband/friends/family? because playing fair knight is f..n boring and predictable?

[Parkimus]

some males roll female PCs and romance other females (males, nugs, whatever), others want their PC to be the ultimate sith.

because doing stuff you would never done IRL in-game is fun? because goody-two shoes want to vent in other ways than ripping the face off their bosses/wife/husband/friends/family? because playing fair knight is f..n boring and predictable?

 

I don't agree with every reason you listed, but I agree that having more options is always great.

[Chernaya]

Well, you're still playing the Inquisitor, who is a member of a group of people trying to save the world. I can see us being able to make the character an *******, but not completely evil. It's not as simple as in games like, say, Fallout, where you aren't really playing a character whose role is already fleshed out as being someone heroic.

[Eveangaline]

I do like having one evil run. But I prefer dickishness that's less murdery. Promise a kid you'll adopt them and then reneg on that deal. Say you'll only help save groups if they pledge fealty to you and give you all their money. Bang someones husband while your LI is in the party. Be completely awful without the slaughter.

[ShadowLordXII]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

 

I'm fairly sane, I just RP'ing as evil characters. It's fun to explore the different types of personalities with which you can role-play a character and that's one of the big things that I love about RPGs. It's like being in front of a pond and throwing stones at one end to see how far the ripples go and then throw them in another part just to see how many ripples you can create. You could be the most virtuous and noble of heroes, the most self-centered and pragmatic of anti-heroes or the most insane and cruel villain protagonist that you want to be.

 

Why else would I sink 100's of hours into RPGs like Mass Effect, Skyrim and Dragon Age? Because each are their own ponds and the game's are crafted enough to have all kinds of pebbles to throw into different places in those ponds.

[OctagonalSquare]

Maybe some people live out their violent alter-egos ingame instead of in the real world. Isnt that a good thing? 

 

 

some males roll female PCs and romance other females (males, nugs, whatever), others want their PC to be the ultimate sith.

because doing stuff you would never done IRL in-game is fun? because goody-two shoes want to vent in other ways than ripping the face off their bosses/wife/husband/friends/family? because playing fair knight is f..n boring and predictable?

 

 

I'm fairly sane, I just RP'ing as evil characters. It's fun to explore the different types of personalities with which you can role-play a character and that's one of the big things that I love about RPGs. It's like being in front of a pond and throwing stones at one end to see how far the ripples go and then throw them in another part just to see how many ripples you can create. You could be the most virtuous and noble of heroes, the most self-centered and pragmatic of anti-heroes or the most insane and cruel villain protagonist that you want to be.

 

Why else would I sink 100's of hours into RPGs like Mass Effect, Skyrim and Dragon Age? Because each are their own ponds and the game's are crafted enough to have all kinds of pebbles to throw into different places in those ponds.

Again, I understand that people like to be evil dickwads in video games. It's just that some people seem to like it a little too much.

 

"Can I be a snarky @$$hole?"

 

Absolutely.

 

"Can I betray people for profit?"

 

Yup.

 

"What about killing anyone who irks me?!"

 

Within reason, I guess.

 

"Can I let villages burn to the ground?!?!"

 

Uh... s-sure, but-

 

"CAN I POUR ACID ON KITTENS AND PUPPIES?!?!?!"

 

*backs away slowly*

[Nefla]

How does sitting on your throne and stroking a pet cat with your articulated stone hand sound? Maybe we can get Schumacher to pull some strings to make that happen.

I'll be as evil as I need to be if it means I get a pet cat!

[Icy Magebane]

Well, you're still playing the Inquisitor, who is a member of a group of people trying to save the world. I can see us being able to make the character an *******, but not completely evil. It's not as simple as in games like, say, Fallout, where you aren't really playing a character whose role is already fleshed out as being someone heroic.

Exactly so.  Dragon Age might give us some room to maneuver, but the series itself is pretty heavily scripted.  In order to continue telling the story the way they want, we can't take too many liberties as the protagonist... so while you can be a d-bag, they probably won't allow the Inquisition to be seen as anything worse than "grey."  Otherwise things get messy... I mean, you'd need specific people in your army because normal soldiers probably wouldn't agree to this... you'd need to account for the various nations' reactions to the Inquisition once they start to become more of a problem than they're worth...  etc... Seems like too much work.

[KC_Prototype]

You can be as evil as schmooples. 

[TheodoricFriede]

In an ideal RPG, you should be able to kill puppies or put the puppies through college. And anything in between.

 

Thats what i hope for, anyway

[SofaJockey]

It's not a sandbox so evil choices will always be somewhat related to plot.

In many cases evil responses would lead to quests failing and companions leaving/dying rather than evil outcomes.

In DAI I sense some of that evil would be by omission: not helping people.

 

If you want a fully free-reign evil experience,

go to GTA and drive over some people's heads, or

go to Skyrim and put baskets over shopkeepers' heads, shoot guards in the knee or Fus Ro Da people off mountains.

 

For me, there are two renegade choices:

1. Where I actively roleplay a flawed character: Elvist human, aggressive qunari, fanatical mage/templar.
2. Or the incompetent playthrough - e.g. like the 'Blonde Shepard' videos: https://www.youtube....535448A&index=1

[TheKomandorShepard]

I rly hope it won't end in da 2 rp level or mass effect but it will probably will judging by demo where you had to be super nice in most dialogues or at worst neutral.

[Elite Midget]

You could be very evil in DA:O for sure. I remember my evil Amell Mage somewhat, though not sure if it's 100% correct.

 

Victoria Amell - Human Female (Blood) Mage

 

Arrogant, Greedy and a False Sense of Superiority. Her way or six feet under!

 

Loves Blood Magic and abusing it, also loves starting trouble for others.

 

Off the top of my head....

 

-Flirted with Cullen. - Very frustrated that he didn't accept Victoria's purity and broke her heart thus making her very bitter.

-Jowan. - Was Victoria's second option but he went for that stupid Chantry girl! So Victoria sold him out, his plan was lame anyway. Though taking the fall for him really ruffled her feathers and made her figure out that everyone should only be out for themselves!

-Hardened Alistair and Leliana. - World is terribad, you should only look out for #1 and kill anyone that tries to get in your way! NO EXCEPTIONS!

Alistair. - Victoria lost her virginity to him but felt nothing over it because the whole time she was thinking about Cullen. So naturally Victoria later sold Alistair out, especially when he caught feelings and refused to visit her tent anymore when she demanded his presence!

Morrigan. - Gave Morrigan the book, because why not?, and killed Flemeth not for Morrigan but because Victoria saw Flemeth as a powerful rival.

-Barkspawn not recruited. - Dogs are smelly.

-Leliana recruited. - Crazy lady means that she must be crazy in bed! This rang true, Victoria wasn't disappointed at all with Leliana's "performance" and Leliana became her favorite night time distraction. When Alistair and Zevran started catching feelings Victoria dumped them to keep her favorite distraction. Course that eventually ended after Leliana had to stand against Victoria at the Urn and thus died. Victoria offers no exceptions, defy her and DIE!

-Sten not recruited and left for dead. - Lost your sword, huh? Pathetic. A quick death is too good for you, let the Darkspawn sort you out!

-Zevran recruited - Interrogation technique required Victoria using minor magic, chains, rope, a Tent (Sometimes), and the such... For Science.

-Romances and/or Sleeps with Alistair, Leliana and Zevran as much as possible. Three-Way with Isabela and Leliana. - What? Being forced into the service of Grey Wardens is stressful!

-Zevran betrayal. - No surprise, Victoria locked a chastity belt on him after he wanted to end all the bedtime fun as punishment which Zevran didn't like. Victoria kept the key, Zevran wasn't even allowed to look at it.

-The Stone Prisoner

--Recruited Shale. - Victoria always wanted a pet Golem!

-Broken Circle

--Blood Mage. - Killed her, she lost after trying to kill Victoria so it was the only option.

--Cullen's Plan. - Agreed with Cullen, even bitter Victoria still has a soft spot for her favorite Templar.

--Wynne Fate. - Killed her for not falling in line with Cullen's idea which he had said with those luscious lips and puppy dog eyes. 

--Irving Fate. - Let the demon take him than killed that weak Abomination! Sweet revenge! After all, Irving's plan left Victoria taking all the blame and forced into Grey Warden service as well as allowing the real culprit to escape! No one screws over Victoria!

--Sided with Templars. - Only because Cullen is a Templar, though Victoria hates Greagoir due to what happened in the Mage Origin and would kill him if Cullen was cool with it. Sadly he wasn't so Victoria let that old geezer live... For now.

-Arl of Redcliffe

--Village Under Siege: Let the Village be overtaken. - If they can't help themselves or show proper financial gratitude than Victoria has better things to do!

--Jowan: He did the ritual, killed him afterward. - Running away and leaving Victoria to take the blame thus forced into Grey Warden Service?? He dies!

--Desire Demon: Intimidated. - Victoria's demands were clear, teach her how to be a proper Blood Mage! Desire Demon complied. 

--Connor: Knocked out Isolde and killed Connor. - Weak minded child with too much potential for demon's to exploit, thus Victoria killed a potential rival.

-Nature of The Beast

--Sided with Werewolves. - They're smelly but at least they don't pretend that they're Victoria's superior. Quite frankly, those Dalish Elves signed their death warrant the moment they decided not to show proper respect to Victoria's awesome magical prowess! 

-Warden's Keep

--Sophia's Fate. - Victoria killed her because her ugly form freaked Victoria out.

--Avernus's Fate. - Spared him as his research was interesting and Victoria wanted no limits placed upon it. Thus Bad/Evil Experiments for POWER! 

-Urn of Sacred Ashes. 

--Kolgrim's Offer: Accepted, Killed Leliana. Though we all know that doesn't stick.... - How dare she question Victoria! Though Victoria did end up missing, for a time, the "entertainment" that Leliana had provided for her... But than Victoria remembered that the Pearl existed.

--Brother Genitivi. - Allowed him to leave, though he may have committed suicide later after his name was slandered.

-A Paragon of her Kind

--Oghren. - Victoria didn't have much of a choice but to recruit him. However, Victoria later "killed" him when he snapped at her. Victoria don't take that mess! 

--Anvil of the Void: Sided with Branka, killed Shale, and Branka lives.. - Because Victoria wanted an Army of Golems! Shale disagreed and for that Shale had to die as Victoria doesn't accept any sign of insubordination! 

--King of Orzammar: Sided with Harrowmont. - Harrowmont is a weakling so he Rules because Orzammer and the Deep Roads annoyed the heck out of Victoria so she wants that city of fools to burn! Besides, setting up for future wars means Victoria can show off her awesome magical prowess more often too!

-Return to Ostagar

--Left Cailan's Body for the Darkspawn. - Weak and foolish man, if he had a brain than Loghain wouldn't have succeeded and Victoria wouldn't have been blamed for his death!

-Landsmeet

--Won. - Was there any doubt?

--Ruler: Anora. - A fine, strong, beautiful, and independent woman! She fights to get what she wants while still showing proper respect towards Victoria thus earning Victoria's vote of confidence! Alistair is also kinda immature even if he was great in bed.

--Loghain's Fate: Recruited into the Grey Wardens. - What better revenge than having Loghain obey Victoria's every whim and desire?!

--Alistair's Fate: Executed by Anora. - How DARE he try and ruin Victoria's revenge plot and being so immature! Victoria taught him better! Thus he had to die for getting in the way and for not remembering what Victoria taught him, her lessons are golden!

-The Battle of Denerim.

--Morrigan's Ritual: Not done, she left. - No, Loghain must die and he wont get any nookie before the end!

--Archdemon: Loghain killed the Archdemon and thus died. - After all the trouble Loghain had caused Victoria, good riddance! 

-Epilogue

--Boon: Title and Riches. - Victoria now owns land, fortune, and title! Now no one can tell Victoria what to do anymore! Mwahahahahaha~!!!!

-Awakening

--Companions

---Oghren. - Didn't Victoria "kill" him? Awkward....Whatever, he can stay since not even death can stop him apparently thus earning Victoria's respect.

---Nathaniel. - Killed, what use does Victoria have for a Noble Family that lost their gambit for power?

---Anders. - Gave him back to the Templars, Victoria wrote about this to Cullen. Still trying to get that sweet sweet Templar purity even in Awakening. Why wont he give her what she wants?!

---Justice. - Not recruited, waaaaay too freaky looking and he smells REALLY bad. Victoria don't put up with that! Bathe or leave!

---Velanna. - Killed. While Victoria respects Velanna's power she cannot forgive how foolish Velanna acted during her thirst for revenge. That and there can only be one Queen in this group and that's Victoria!

---Sigrun. - Victoria passed on Sigrun considering what happened to Sigrun's companions, most likely due to Sigrun's own incompetence.

Defending the Land: Trade Routes protected. - Can always import more food. 

Silverite Ore. - All Silverite belongs to Victoria!!!!

Amaranthine. - Burned it to the ground to slow the Darkspawn Advance. 

Vigil's Keep. - Defended the Keep as she ain't standing for the Mother stepping on her yard without a fight!

Depths of Depravity: Accepted the Architect's Offer. - Hey, guy's powerful even if he's REALLY ugly! Besides, having Darkspawn owing her favors is very enticing! Victoria may also get her dream of having Darkspawn and Dwarves riding Golems and Mabari into battle against Darkspawn!

-Witch Hunt

--Morrigan. - Stabbed her, that's what she gets for trying to ruin Victoria's revenge plot and abandoning the party! Morrigan is also a powerful rival and Victoria eliminates ALL of her rivals!

 

 

Sadly most of the evil choices are non-canon due to Novels and DA2 outright contradicting or ignoring them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

Because they want to appear gritty and cool. Don't worry you will get used to them.

[Xilizhra]

Why does it seem like there are so many psychopaths and sociopaths on these forums? Like, I get that it's an RPG and we should have the option to be evil and whatnot, but... holy ****!

Trust me, they aren't nearly as bad as the ones who actually advocate for evil and call it good.