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[Elite Midget]

Since we know Morrigan will have a role in this do you also wonder if the God Baby will as well? Since the God Baby's gender is male I don't see the God Baby being a protagonist in a future game - maybe companion or villain but not the players character. Would have been sweet but they had to give a gender to the child so that rules things out.

 

Anyway, I digress. What role could the God Baby have in this? Will he be crucial to sealing the tears completely or something? I mean, it "is" a God Baby.

[wiccame]

I wouldn't think he would have a crucial role if he appeared at all. The DR is completely optional so he doesn't even exist in a lot of games.

[Elite Midget]

I'm sure Morrigan can have some BS excuse made for getting preggies even without the Ritual.

 

Besides, you can kill off certain characters or the such but DA:A, DA2, and the Novels ignore those choices.

[katerinafm]

It doesn't even exist in the 'canon' (by canon I mean what players that don't import their saves or are new will get) so I doubt it'd have a big role. Maybe the only difference it will make is that Morrigan has a child that we don't even see because the kid having an Old God 'soul' or 'essence' doesn't actually visibly change anything. Who knows.

[wiccame]

That makes the choice irrelevant. While all well and good for people who blew off Morrigan it would essentially be a slap in the face of those who didn't. 

 

A person walking Thedas with the soul Urthemiel should never be irrelevant.

True but I don't think they would give such a significant plot to a character who may or may not exist. That's not to say he wouldn't be mentioned.

[Joseph Warrick]

I can only hope he's not an irritating know-it-all like the catalyst.

[Newschmoo]

I don't think OGB should be irrelevant.  He could be referenced or maybe seen in some way, because Morrigan will be in the game (and I know that players who did the dark ritual, particularly if their Warden romanced her, will want to know).  

 

But I don't think he should be seen as crucial to the game.  Only because for some players, Urthemiel's soul died when their Warden/Alistair did the ultimate sacrifice, so to them he won't be.  It's a tricky one!

[daveliam]

I think that he will be mentioned in DA: I, perhaps with some allusions about how he's showing odd powers/ behaviors if you chose the DR option.

However, as others have said, having him be a major character in the future would negate a fairly big choice for many players. I find it amusing that the people arguing for his inclusion are invoking 'disregarding my choice' as a reason. He could be included with a minor (optional) role and no one's choice would be negated. However, if he were made a mandatory major character, it WOULD negate other people's choice. So it seems to me that the people who want him included really just want him because it seems like a cool plot and don't really care about other people's choices, while grandstanding on their own (false) complaints about choice negation.

That could just be my view though. And I'm fairly neutral on the subject to be honest. I did the DR (or rather Alistair did) in my canon playthrough, but don't really care if I never see the little scamp in my games.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I don't think OGB should be irrelevant.  He could be referenced or maybe seen in some way, because Morrigan will be in the game (and I know that players who did the dark ritual, particularly if their Warden romanced her, will want to know).  

 

But I don't think he should be seen as crucial to the game.  Only because for some players, Urthemiel's soul died when their Warden/Alistair did the ultimate sacrifice, so to them he won't be.  It's a tricky one!

Off topic but may I ask which game is your profile pic from?

[dutch_gamer]

That makes the choice irrelevant. While all well and good for people who blew off Morrigan it would essentially be a slap in the face of those who didn't. 
 
A person walking Thedas with the soul Urthemiel should never be irrelevant.

As would the old god baby playing an important be a slap in the face for those who didn't do the dark ritual.

I am of the opinion the old god baby has way too much potential to be a true Mary Sue, so I hope the baby will never be too relevant. It simply can't be too relevant because it was optional content with the old god baby only being able to exist if one did the dark ritual.

[Ieldra]

What I'd do as a writer is give him - or merely the fact that he exists, a critical impact on achieving a specific status in an important but not critical plot line, but make him unimportant to maintaining that status quo in the future. That way he could be important in DAI and fade into the background in later games.

 

As for how important he could be to the main plot: of course he must not be necessary to solving the main problem, but can be critical to solving it a certain way - preferably one that would likely appeal to the kinds of players who would do the ritual. Also, didn't I read somewhere that he's part of the default worldstate for non-imported games.

Regarding those who didn't do the ritual, his absence may play a critical role in solving the problem in another way.

[Jaison1986]

For the last time, the OGB isn't the Inquisi...

 

Oh, it isn't that kind of thread, my mistake.

 

As for the OGB, no he doesn't exist in the default canon, Morrigan ritual was denied and the warden sacrificed herself.

[Dirgegun]

Hmm...

 

I don't think he'll be irrelevant, but I'm not sure how much of an impact he can have this game. I mean that breach does require our focus and it looks like it'll be a complicated issue in itself. I don't think they'll be able to do more than references and maybe some foreshadowing this time? When the OGB is older, though...

 

*scratches chin*

[Dirgegun]

Note for default canon:

 

Remember the default canon isn't what Bioware believes should have happened, instead it's the canon that has the least amount of people alive/involved as possible, so there's less chance of cameos/story continuations that completely new players wouldn't understand/care about.

[TK514]

Gaider has said the player's choice on the DR would be respected.  No DR, no OGB.  I doubt it will be anything in DA:I, maybe they'll change their stance in the future.

[daveliam]

No it wouldn't. You chose (no one else) for the child to not exist in your world-state. You made the choice. Therefore he doesn't exist. Cause and effect.

If I chose for Morrigan's child to be a vessel for the soul of a deity, I'd expect the consequences to be as grand as the choice.

I can understand this to a point. However, you must realize that there are limits to how much can they devote to 'optional' content. You can argue that this means that they shouldn't have offered the choice to begin with, but I would rather more choices with less dramatic outcomes than being railroaded into a 'default' state that I wouldn't have picked.

[Jazzpha]

What I'd do as a writer is give him - or merely the fact that he exists, a critical impact on achieving a specific status in an important but not critical plot line, but make him unimportant to maintaining that status quo in the future. That way he could be important in DAI and fade into the background in later games.

 

As for how important he could be to the main plot: of course he must not be necessary to solving the main problem, but can be critical to solving it a certain way - preferably one that would likely appeal to the kinds of players who would do the ritual. Also, didn't I read somewhere that he's part of the default worldstate for non-imported games.

Regarding those who didn't do the ritual, his absence may play a critical role in solving the problem in another way.

 

I think this is a very good way of approaching the issue. Make the OGB a way to open up another possible solution to an important sidequest, or a sub-branch of the main quest. It wouldn't be very different in that regard from, say, needing to pass a high persuasion check in DAO to resolve a quest in a particular way. Some players out points into Coercion, others don't. Some people did the DR, others didn't.

 

Also, iirc the OGB is about 11 or 12 in Inquisition, so I doubt he'll be running around in dragonskin armor making decisions for himself or anything. Morrigan's probably going to be keeping a close eye on him, if he exists at all.

[Parkimus]

I think that he will be mentioned in DA: I, perhaps with some allusions about how he's showing odd powers/ behaviors if you chose the DR option.

However, as others have said, having him be a major character in the future would negate a fairly big choice for many players. I find it amusing that the people arguing for his inclusion are invoking 'disregarding my choice' as a reason. He could be included with a minor (optional) role and no one's choice would be negated. However, if he were made a mandatory major character, it WOULD negate other people's choice. So it seems to me that the people who want him included really just want him because it seems like a cool plot and don't really care about other people's choices, while grandstanding on their own (false) complaints about choice negation.

 

I think it goes without saying that he should have a role only if the DR was completed.

[CapivaRasgor]

And what about the baby Morrigan conceived with the Warden if he romanced her and didn't do the Dark Ritual? Am I the only one who hopes to see him? I was always amused by the irony: the only thing Morrigan needed to achieve her goal was to remain by the side of the man she loved, since she was already pregnant, and because she chose to leave out of spite she didn't get the Old God soul. I wonder if and hope that she will bring this up specially if the Warden died, as if she had remained by her lover's side, he would still be alive.

[GrinningRogue]

I think the OGB would be like Wrex/Legion in ME3. If he doesn't exist, then something major doesn't happen. Also, I thought the kid will only be an Old God if The Dark Ritual was done. If it didn't, then Morrigan gets pregnant with a normal child instead. She did say it has to be the night before the battle.