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[CapivaRasgor]

I think the OGB would be like Wrex/Legion in ME3. If he doesn't exist, then something major doesn't happen. Also, I thought the kid will only be an Old God if The Dark Ritual was done. If it didn't, then Morrigan gets pregnant with a normal child instead. She did say it has to be the night before the battle.

But here is the thing, if she was already pregnant with the Warden's child than the only thing achieved by sleeping with her in the eve of battle was an orgasm. She was ALREADY PREGNANT, the soul would travel to the baby conceived some weeks/months prior, unless the Dark Ritual somehow makes her magically abort and conceive a new child altogheter.

[wiccame]

But here is the thing, if she was already pregnant with the Warden's child than the only thing achieved by sleeping with her in the eve of battle was an orgasm. She was ALREADY PREGNANT, the soul would travel to the baby conceived some weeks/months prior, unless the Dark Ritual somehow makes her magically abort and conceive a new child altogheter.

Grey warden children are not born with the taint. The ritual would have been to make sure it was. So the baby Morrigan had without the ritual would just be a normal baby, and I think (I am not sure) but if she is pregnant with a normal child someone dies.

Here's a thing that gets me though, she says she has to conceive a child on the eve of battle but just earlier that evening it was said it would take days to get to Denerim yet the ritual is perform that night. So it isn't really conceived on the eve of battle.

[CapivaRasgor]

Grey warden children are not born with the taint. The ritual would have been to make sure it was. So the baby Morrigan had without the ritual would just be a normal baby, and I think (I am not sure) but if she is pregnant with a normal child someone dies.
Here's a thing that gets me though, she says she has to conceive a child on the eve of battle but just earlier that evening it was said it would take days to get to Denerim yet the ritual is perform that night. So it isn't really conceived on the eve of battle.

No, noone dies if she was already pregnant and performed the ritual, they just have sex for the purpose of impregnating her. Which is kinda redundant.

[wiccame]

No, noone dies if she was already pregnant and performed the ritual, they just have sex for the purpose of impregnating her. Which is kinda redundant.

yeah but what if she was already pregnant but did not perform the ritual?

[CapivaRasgor]

But weren't you refering to the situation in which a romanced Morrigan performs the ritual? Now you mention otherwise? I'm a bit confused now...

[Steelcan]

Gaider has said the player's choice on the DR would be respected.  No DR, no OGB.  I doubt it will be anything in DA:I, maybe they'll change their stance in the future.

yes it will be acknowledged, and then we find out Morrigan slept with another random Grey Warden to get the same ends.

[Maria Caliban]

If Morrigan isn't pregnant, then the Dark Ritual knocks her up with a tainted baby.

If Morrigan is already pregnant, it transfers the taint to the already existing fetus. Without the Dark Ritual, the Old God's soul would not travel to her child.

yes it will be acknowledged, and then we find out Morrigan slept with another random Grey Warden to get the same ends.

We've been told several times that if you don't do the DR then there is no OGB. If she slept with some 'random Grey Warden' then no one would have died when the archdemon did.

[daveliam]

yes it will be acknowledged, and then we find out Morrigan slept with another random Grey Warden to get the same ends.

Weren't The Warden, Alistair/Loghain, and Riordan the only GW in Ferelden at the time? That would be terribly lame if the said she ran out of Ferelden that night to find a random GW to sleep with before the arch demon was killed.

[CapivaRasgor]

Just for the record. I think the OGB will be addresed, just not in the messianic capacity that some hope he will. After reading the comics, I think he's just a part of a bigger plan and that his existance will help or hinder such plan.

[Steelcan]

We've been told several times that if you don't do the DR then there is no OGB. If she slept with some 'random Grey Warden' then no one would have died when the archdemon did.

I was joking

[wiccame]

But weren't you refering to the situation in which a romanced Morrigan performs the ritual? Now you mention otherwise? I'm a bit confused now...

No, but if a romanced Morrigan did not perform the ritual. I gather she is pregnant regardless of whether she preformed the ritual or not. 

 

Ok I just reread the poster I quoted and I confused myself....nvm me lol I thought they were saying they just slept with her the night before but didn't do the ritual.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'd be fine with the OGB having an impact on the story in world states where it exists - in fact, that would be cool. What I emphatically do not want is for it to show up in world states where nobody performed the ritual.

 

If all the Ultimate Sacrifice Wardens ever made and all the Alistairs and Loghains who took the final blow instead died for no reason, I think we'd all have a right to be pissed off. (Not to mention that I'd also like to see the mortal child Morrigan had with my Warden who romanced her and didn't do the ritual.)

[pallascedar]

And what about the baby Morrigan conceived with the Warden if he romanced her and didn't do the Dark Ritual? Am I the only one who hopes to see him? I was always amused by the irony: the only thing Morrigan needed to achieve her goal was to remain by the side of the man she loved, since she was already pregnant, and because she chose to leave out of spite she didn't get the Old God soul. I wonder if and hope that she will bring this up specially if the Warden died, as if she had remained by her lover's side, he would still be alive.

But... The ritual was required to both keep the Warden alive and get the soul. He'd still be dead if she left.

[Jazzpha]

But... The ritual was required to both keep the Warden alive and get the soul. He'd still be dead if she left.

 

Not if you had a different Grey Warden perform the final killing blow on the Archdemon, though. Then the PC Warden lives without the Ritual.

[Elite Midget]

It doesn't even exist in the 'canon' (by canon I mean what players that don't import their saves or are new will get) so I doubt it'd have a big role. Maybe the only difference it will make is that Morrigan has a child that we don't even see because the kid having an Old God 'soul' or 'essence' doesn't actually visibly change anything. Who knows.

Warden doesn't die in all default versions so it could easily have the DR done in those other ones.

 

 

True but I don't think they would give such a significant plot to a character who may or may not exist. That's not to say he wouldn't be mentioned.

I dunno, look at Leliana. You don't have to recruit her and she can be killed by your hand and she's one of the most important characters in DAI.

 

Alistair can be killed off and made a drunk but he's very important and has many novels that state that he's King of Ferelden even if you have a save that doesn't have him as such. So Bioware respects certain choices until they don't because plot demands a different choice take center stage.

 

 

For the last time, the OGB isn't the Inquisi...

 

Oh, it isn't that kind of thread, my mistake.

 

As for the OGB, no he doesn't exist in the default canon, Morrigan ritual was denied and the warden sacrificed herself.

There are 3 Default Wardens and Bioware has shown that they don't mind making certain choices "canon" if it suits the plot such as with Leliana, Alistair, and the such.

 

 

I think that he will be mentioned in DA: I, perhaps with some allusions about how he's showing odd powers/ behaviors if you chose the DR option.

However, as others have said, having him be a major character in the future would negate a fairly big choice for many players. I find it amusing that the people arguing for his inclusion are invoking 'disregarding my choice' as a reason. He could be included with a minor (optional) role and no one's choice would be negated. However, if he were made a mandatory major character, it WOULD negate other people's choice. So it seems to me that the people who want him included really just want him because it seems like a cool plot and don't really care about other people's choices, while grandstanding on their own (false) complaints about choice negation.

That could just be my view though. And I'm fairly neutral on the subject to be honest. I did the DR (or rather Alistair did) in my canon playthrough, but don't really care if I never see the little scamp in my games.

Game and Novels already contradict choices. In one file I killed Leliana and Alistair yet we all know how that turned out. Leliana especially whose going to be a main character in DA:I.

[KC_Prototype]

Where can I find out how many people did the Dark Ritual? Also, I hope his role in DA isn't just a little one. I respect the world states that don't have him alive but for the ones that do, I hope he has a big impact on the world at some point.

[Kingthlayer]

The OGB is the result of the biggest decision we've had to make thus far in our Dragon Age journey and he should be treated with the respect he deserves, small cameo quests from past companions are all well and good as fan service, but the OGB is beyond that, it's likely that Morrigan is planning something sinister with the child, perhaps to stop whatever it is she is planning we have to kill her or the child, or with the child having the soul an Archdemon he can be used to our advantage/disadvantage in dealing with Darkspawn.  There are plenty other ways BioWare can choose to use the OGB in a significant way without turning him to a one liner from Morrigan.

 

This is a series built on choices and the game and all future games should reflect those decisions.  If people refused the Dark Ritual they made the choice to not preserve the soul of an Old God into a baby, likely reasons for refusing is because Morrigan can't be trusted and the baby will become too dangerous when it gets older, at least those are the reasons my Warden told himself when he refused her.  And right now the child is older and Morrigan still can't be trusted, the OGB needs to show himself now, either for good or bad.

[Maria Caliban]

Morrgian is the b*tchy, misanthropic savior Thedas deserves.

She's going to help save the world even though she'd like most of its people to jump off the nearest cliff.

[Eveangaline]

I guess something like a side quest?

 

Remember how in da2 there was a quest mid act that either dealt with the wardens or had you doing a favor for a dwarf to find his sons? I'm assuming like that. If you made the baby the minor quest involves him, if not it involves something else.

[Urazz]

I imagine at the most the OGB would be an optional companion you can have in DA4 if you did the Dark Ritual in DA:O.

 

At the very least I'm thinking the OGB will serve as just an NPC that has insights and knowledge of the Old Gods and could provide us with some surprising information about them.