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[Golden_Persona]

Since apparently it wasn't made obvious, this is a hypothetical topic.

 

I put each section into spoiler tags, because this is a very long post. Also I made two versions of my argument, but it got deleted, so I fear my new argument is a lot less precise, and missing a lot of the good points, which stinks. But oh well. I how my rambling can still make sense to someone. I'm sure there are spelling and grammar mistakes. No matter how many times I reread my work they still pop up.

 

What does it mean:

 

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I mean I know a lot of people acted shocked and angry/ disappointed, because for some reason they think taking place in someone's lifetime means it HAS to be related to them right?/ sarcasm, but the truth is it could be the best place to put the next Mass Effect game. How old is Shepard during the trilogy anyway?  Late 20s, mid 30s? He can't be older than 40 (unless 40 is the new 30 in the ME universe) and we know that humans have the potential to live to be 150. Even if we say he survived and lived to be 130, that's still a century of time that Bioware could play with. Why people assume Shepard's lifetime = taking place during the ME trilogy is beyond me.

 

I'm of the opinion that they shouldn't just forget about ME3, no matter how badly people think they should. People want to talk about ME3 making everything pointless, but then want Bioware to do exactly that by throwing everything out the window? Absurd. Bioware only has to canonize the destroy ending, if nothing else to get rid of the Reapers and confirm that Shepard lives. But what does it mean if the next ME game took place during Shepard's lifetime?

 

If we guestimate saying it takes place even just 50 years after ME3, it allows for the galaxy to have rebuilt itself, and it allows for a growth of technology, to the point that things in the new game can feel fresh, but without the technology becoming too advanced as to be unidentifiable with the ME universe. Some people want it to take place far into the future, like around 500 years. I know that its simply because they want to forget ME3, but if Bioware did that the technology might be far too advanced, to the point that the Milky Way galaxy is too unfamiliar. That or they dumb down the growth of technology, but that would be too unrealistic.

 

I'm of the the opinion that a complete reboot would be too insulting, and the next game just wouldn't be ME. There's a fine line to walk when it comes to what actually makes something what it is. Does the characters make Mass Effect.... Mass Effect? Is it simply the technology in the lore that makes the game what it is, meaning all the next game needs is ME technology for us to associate the series with ME? Having the game take place in a different galaxy with different species, technology... it just wouldn't be Mass Effect. How many times have companies tried to slap on a familiar name to a product, for the sake of sales, only for that product to be devoid of anything that made the original product great to begin with? Too many

 

Marketing:

 

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Let us not be fooled by marketing. If, by some chance, Bioware did ever say the next ME game took place during Shepard's lifetime that literally means nothing. People automatically assume that the next character is going to be a N7 human, a Shepard 2.0, but Shepard isn't the only living thing in the galaxy. If the trilogy takes place during Shepard's lifetime, it also means its taking place during Tali's lifetime, during Wrex's liftetime, during Aria's lifetime, billions among billions of people's lifetime. All that does is get us to associate the next game with ME. Don't even tell me that the next hero must be N7 human because of the concept art they showed at the panel. If you fall for concept art then, well...god help you. That N7 patch the guy is wearing is used for nothing more than brand recognition. It's basic psychology of advertizing. It amazes me how people time and time again get fooled by concept art and teaser trailers. There will never be a game in existence that remains the same during concept art.

 

Our hero's mission:

 

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So lastly, if the next game took place during Shepard's lifetime, how is it possible that our hero's mission could compare to Shepards? Quite honestly...it won't, nor should it. I've seen people complain about the next hero being a N7 human, a Shepard 2.0. But then people complain that the next hero's mission won't be as important. Well, what do you want? Shepard 2.0, or a person whose mission is completely different from Shepard's?

 

The latter is a smart choice. We know that the citizens of the MWG were completely oblivious to their mortality. Even during the Reaper war citizens of the Citadel pretended like it was still paradise. After the Reaper war perhaps the galaxy finally became attune to just how fragile everything is, which leads them to galactic expansion. Which is where our new hero comes into play. Bioware has said that the next game is focused on exploration, so perhaps we get to play as an agent of the council, whose sole purpose is to go out to the unexplored fringes of the galaxy, to find new planets to colonize. Obviously there needs to be a plot, but at least it gives us a good set up. Suddenly our hero isn't Shepard 2.0, but his mission is still important, and at the same time unique.

 

What's up Wrex?:

 

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Some people became worried when Bioware supposedly said that we might see old companions in the new game, again people either want something new, or they just want to forget. Well, just because we might see old companions doesn't mean we talk to them face to face, or that we put them on our squad. Imagine just walking around on some new hub world when you hear over galactic news that "Hero from the Reaper war, Urdnot Wrex, has been making large advancements in negotiation with the council over Krogan expansion. It is reported that the Krogan are to be given 3 new planets, 2 of which have recently been discovered during the Galactic Expansion Movement (my horrible name for what our job in MEnot4 will be) and negotiations for more are still underway". Suddenly BAM, we're given some familiar ground under our feet. We know this is the ME universe because Wrex is here, but we didn't need to talk to him in order to get it. Seeing old companions can be as simple as that.

 

Fancy words that have no consistent meaning:

 

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Long story short, taking place during Shepard's lifetime is such a vague frame of time, and its not indicative of the importance of our hero's mission, whether they'll be Shepard 2.0, or whether or not Reapers are still going to be a thing. All it tells us is that it's going to take place in a familiar universe, its not going to be a total reboot either. Spiritual successor doesn't really tell us anything. Twilight Princess is a spiritual successor to Ocarina of Time, yet they take place on the same time line, Twilight Princess isn't a reboot, and the gameplay is identical to each other.

 

It doesn't tell us anything. What it tells me though is that there is still an important story to tell in the ME universe, with its own weight on how it affects the galaxy, and Bioware doesn't need to dump an entire era of work into the trash bin, just because irrational fans flipped out over the ending that "destroyed the trilogy and story telling in general". It can be a story that takes place after the Reapers, a story that countless cycles before the Reapers never got to experience, without feeling like Bioware abandoned what made Mass Effect what it is.

 

To close it off, Mako for the win. It is the very symbol of freedom in the ME universe and I'm happy it's back.

[Farangbaa]

Will you guys stop repeating all this nonsense that has not been confirmed?

It was some random journalist's brainfart, who had the 'feeling' that it 'might be in Shepard's timeline'.

[katamuro]

Will you guys stop repeating all this nonsense that has not been confirmed?

It was some random journalist's brainfart, who had the 'feeling' that it 'might be in Shepard's timeline'.

Exactly it was a guy who wrote on a site called "gamerant" so it seems obvious to me that it was simply to bring more attention to itself. No official sites have said anything even remotely close to that. 

[Azmahoony]

Yeah let's save our arguments on the games direction when we actually have some more solid information

Mako? Confirmed.
Sheperard not being the protagonist? Confirmed.

EVERYTHING ELSE? Unconfirmed.

I love the theories and speculations you lads are throwing out there but we have nothing but he-said she-saids coming from baitveiw news sites.

[CroGamer002]

Did you really need to start a thread for a topic that already has it's own thread?

[Han Shot First]

Will you guys stop repeating all this nonsense that has not been confirmed?

It was some random journalist's brainfart, who had the 'feeling' that it 'might be in Shepard's timeline'.

 

In defense of Andrea Rene she did use the word 'potentially,' so she was clearly just giving her opinion and not passing it off as a confirmed fact. It has been the fans who are treating it as confirmation and misinterpreting what she actually said.

 

Also the opinion she voiced is worth some consideration. After all Bioware did say that some old characters from the previous trilogy may return. That potentially points to the game being set during Shepard's lifetime. Where a grain of salt is needed is that we don't know which characters Bioware was referring to, and some can outlive Shepard by centuries. Liara probably has at least 800 years left and Grunt may have even more, if his life isn't cut short by violence. And EDI, if not vaped in the Destroy ending, is practically immortal.

[Farangbaa]

In defense of Andrea Rene she did use the word 'potentially,' so she was clearly just giving her opinion and not passing it off as a confirmed fact. It has been the fans who are treating it as confirmation and misinterpreting what she actually said.

It's the fans that annoy me most
 

Also the opinion she voiced is worth some consideration. After all Bioware did say that some old characters from the previous trilogy may return. That potentially points to the game being set during Shepard's lifetime. Where a grain of salt is needed is that we don't know which characters Bioware was referring to, and some can outlive Shepard by centuries. Liara probably has at least 800 years left and Grunt may have even more, if his life isn't cut short by violence. And EDI, if not vaped in the Destroy ending, is practically immortal.

Krogan, as far as I know, are immortal. Immortal in the sense that senescence will not kill them. Okeer, for instance, is a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions (which started in 700 CE).

There are no instances of Krogan dying of senescence. So Grunt, and even Wrex if alive, could be in the game no matter how far you put it in the future, provided nobody kills them.

Liara has about 900 years left. (judging from Samara, who's almost a 1000 years old)

edit: and of course it's 'possible' that it's in Shepard's timeline. Everything's possible right now, we don't know jack. People should just leave it at that instead of trying to talk each other into confirmation.

[Heimdall]

It's the fans that annoy me most


Krogan, as far as I know, are immortal. Immortal in the sense that senescence will not kill them. Okeer, for instance, is a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions (which started in 700 CE).

There are no instances of Krogan dying of senescence. So Grunt, and even Wrex if alive, could be in the game no matter how far you put it in the future, provided nobody kills them.

Liara has about 900 years left. (judging from Samara, who's almost a 1000 years old)

Krogan lifespans are said to be "centuries" long.  Okeer wasn't a veteran of the Rebellions to my knowledge.

[MSDChaos]

People assume Shepard's lifetime=Trilogy because in every ending but one Shepard is dead.

[Farangbaa]

Krogan lifespans are said to be "centuries" long.  Okeer wasn't a veteran of the Rebellions to my knowledge.

We've been over this before.

http://masseffect.wi...er:_The_Warlord

A brilliant and brutal krogan warlord who fought in the Krogan Rebellions, Dr. Okeer has become obsessed with saving the krogan people from the genophage and is believed to have contacted the Collectors in an attempt to gain technology to that end. He is currently in a Blue Suns camp on Korlus, though the nature of his relationship with the mercenary group is unknown.

[SNascimento]

No. It's not. And I'm absolutely sure they won't do this because of how unviable it is. 

[Mcfly616]

I agree that setting the game prior to the Reaper invasion (anytime after the First Contact War up til 2185) would be the best route they could take. From a narrative perspective it'll be much more viable than a sequel.

[Heimdall]

We've been over this before.

http://masseffect.wi...er:_The_Warlord
 

Fair enough, though the only discussion I've ever had on this topic was about Wrex, who was determined not to be a veteran on the Rebellions

 

Okeer is still the only Krogan of such age that we know of and regarded as old by other Krogan.  I still wouldn't leap to the idea that Krogan are immortal.  All systems degrade, even one as durable as a Krogan's.

[emaughan]

Will you guys stop repeating all this nonsense that has not been confirmed?

It was some random journalist's brainfart, who had the 'feeling' that it 'might be in Shepard's timeline'.

 

 

I hope your correct.

[The_Other_M]

If by "the best" you mean "the dumbest", then I agree.

[Deebo305]

As always until I see what the game is actually about I won't judge, there is plenty they do before the Reaper War.

First Contact, Jon Grissom timeline, or something completely original and not yet mentioned. Things can always change from here to the actual reveal

[Golden_Persona]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, but this was a hypothetical topic. If by some chance it did take place during Shepard's lifetime yaddayaddayadda. I've even said in other topics that it was posted by over anxious fans desperate for news, and game journalists desperate for clicks on their site. I thought that was obvious.