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Blood & Magic: Where are the lines drawn?


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#51
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Dagna, Maker bless her, theorized that mages can cast spells due to a high concentration of lyrium in their blood (mana). Regardless of whether she's right or wrong we can all safely assume that in the world of Dragon Age blood is intrinsically magical.

 

Where? If we're going to operate on the assumption that all flesh and blood is intrinsically magical, I would like to see the source.


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Where? If we're going to operate on the assumption that all flesh and blood is intrinsically magical, I would like to see the source.

Even with a source, I am not comfortable with accepting a dwarf's theories on magic, no matter how adorable they may be...  people who can actually use magic would have figured this out at some point in the last millennium if it was true.

 

In any case, I don't have an objection to using the term "blood magic" for both the school and the method used to cast spells because it is appropriate in both instances.  I also don't object to the Chantry granting exceptions to the Templars because it suits their needs.  Although this clearly illustrates that not all blood magic is sinister by default, it is largely irrelevant given the Chantry's overall mission to spread its influence and preserve the status quo.  Either they allow the limited use of blood magic in this specific case, or they lose the ability hunt down apostates... seems obvious that they'd bend the rules here.


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Where? If we're going to operate on the assumption that all flesh and blood is intrinsically magical, I would like to see the source.

The actual paraphrase is from when you accept the Unlikely Scholar quest.  I think the exact wording is "like mages have lyrium in their blood,"  which isn't saying she thinks they do.  I wouldn't expect someone with music in their blood to bleed sheet music.  

 

I think there's a large similarity in the magic that can be enhanced with lyrium and that which can be enhanced by blood.  There's a lot of overlap, since both are sources of power, like AC or DC for running electrical stuff.  But some things do only run on one sort, which is why an adapter is needed.  I wonder if we'll ever find an adapter?


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The actual paraphrase is from when you accept the Unlikely Scholar quest.  I think the exact wording is "like mages have lyrium in their blood,"  which isn't saying she thinks they do.  I wouldn't expect someone with music in their blood to bleed sheet music.  

 

I think there's a large similarity in the magic that can be enhanced with lyrium and that which can be enhanced by blood.  There's a lot of overlap, since both are sources of power, like AC or DC for running electrical stuff.  But some things do only run on one sort, which is why an adapter is needed.  I wonder if we'll ever find an adapter?

I think I see where you're going with this, except that I'd say lyrim and blood are like alternators that make the source, (Mana/Willpower) run at a higher (alternative) frequency.



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Even with a source, I am not comfortable with accepting a dwarf's theories on magic, no matter how adorable they may be...  people who can actually use magic would have figured this out at some point in the last millennium if it was true.

 

 

Thing is, people who can actually use magic also can't go anywhere near unprocessed lyrium, or the ore as it is mined in its raw form. They simply can't, so they can't exactly do an indepth study of lyrium vapors affecting mages because they would otherwise die. Only a dwarf with their lyrium resistance could. 


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Thing is, people who can actually use magic also can't go anywhere near unprocessed lyrium, or the ore as it is mined in its raw form. They simply can't, so they can't exactly do an indepth study of lyrium vapors affecting mages because they would otherwise die. Only a dwarf with their lyrium resistance could. 

Lyrium vapors?  I thought the theory was related to lyrium being present in blood.  You don't need to be a dwarf to study that.



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It's not so much that clarification is needed as, like the qunari, people struggle with the idea that a single term can mean more than one thing.

Blood Magic is:

1) Any magical spell powered by blood. This is the 'intuitive' form of blood magic as many mages can simply sense the potential within them.
2) A unique school of magic with its own spells and rituals.

Two different ideas packed within the same term. Different people will use these terms differently because magic is something the average person doesn't understand. I'm sure that there are commoners who call necromancers malificarium because they're too ignorant to know it means more than 'really scary mage with scary magic.'

I think Blood Magic qualifies as any kind of spell that uses blood in some fashion whether you use blood to power a basic spell that you don't have to use blood for or it's a spell that manipulates blood.



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Lyrium vapors?  I thought the theory was related to lyrium being present in blood.  You don't need to be a dwarf to study that.

Dwarves are the experts in lyrium though,having one study the theory of lyrium being in someone's blood makes sense.



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Lyrium vapors?  I thought the theory was related to lyrium being present in blood.  You don't need to be a dwarf to study that.

 

Here is the epilogue slide.

 

 
The dwarven mage, Dagna, ultimately completed her studies at the rebuilt Circle Tower on the surface. Eventually, she published a comprehensive theory of how lyrium vapors relate to the supply of magic. It gained a great deal of attention.


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Dagna's appearance better bring something interesting in Inquisition.



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Blood magic, simply is any spell that is fueled by someone's blood, whether its the caster or some willing or unwilling victim. there are specific blood magic spells that control others, blood magic is blood power spells. i'm not sure, but i believe its origin is from the demons of the fade. i wouldn't say blood magic itself is evil, cause like Merrill you can just use your own blood to power normal spells. the real evil of it, would be controlling others or using it to summon demons. the line that is drawn by the chantry is that all blood magic is illegal. And blood magic is frowned upon by most factions and societies in Dragonage. Bloodmagic shouldn't be cast as evil in my opinion cause you can use it as fuel since its an easier source than lyrium. controlling others and demon summoning is certainly evil and requires blood magic, but blood magic itself is not evil.



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Blood Magic is the Forbidden School, born when the magisters found out that blood has other uses beyond improving casting. It's spells can only be casted using blood and related techniques. Using blood to improve spells of other Schools (Spirit, Creation, Entropy and Primal) isn't Blood Magic by definition. Phylateries are Blood Magic, you can't create them with other schools. The Union is Blood Magic, since you can't do it without blood. Cleaning an Eluvian with blood is not Blood Magic, is blood enhanced magic.