I think that's a pretty liberal use of the word "countless".
Do you really think this is only going to stay in Kirkwall? The Arishok makes it clear that the Qunari will return, yet he didn't only mention Kirkwall. It's seems to hint heavily that the Qunari will come for all of them that don't follow the Qun.
If they don't appear in DA:I than I can see them being the invasion force in the next game and a huge plot source.
Do you really think this is only going to stay in Kirkwall? The Arishok makes it clear that the Qunari will return, yet he didn't only mention Kirkwall. It's seems to hint heavily that the Qunari will come for all of them that don't follow the Qun.
If they don't appear in DA:I than I can see them being the invasion force in the next game and a huge plot source.
What the qunari are going to do has nothing to do with Isabela. An argument can be made that she's responsible for the lives lost due to the qunari presence in Kirkwall, but that's about it.
Besides, as a fan, I'm rooting for the qunari.
It really does, the Qunari didn't want to be there and put up with extremsists and the such while they literally sat around asking for nothing. All they wanted was to get the book and leave. Isabela denying them that played a huge part in how all the events came together with the Arishok finally snapping.
Isabella does show remorse, and there is a follow up to the Quanaric plot. Did you read the comics? The Quanari capture her, and they try to force her into becoming some freak show, but she was able to escape with the help of Alistair and Varric.
She doesn't show remorse for those lost, she shows remorse for betraying Hawke and blames Hawke for changing her to try and be a better person.
Yes, she was captured there but that still doesn't change that when push came to shove that she still did horrible things for personal profit or to avoid taking responsibility for her actions. Crying over tossing slaves overboard doesn't change that she willingly did it and that they're still dead.
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Oghren returning in Awakening mentions the Warden never checked bodies to see if he was alive still. Sounded legit to me, this happens.
Leliana returning cause the Maker didn't allow her to die well ok. I see the Warden hadn't checked to make sure she wasn't dead either.
Petrice, she is dead each play through I do, I have yet allowed her to live.
Also, Isabela doesn't technically bother me.
In my tabletop game, I am now helping a Vampire lady murder criminals. *shrugs* Willingly, cause they are criminals, serving one evil against other evils, with some fun on the side.
So am I completely alone in thinking sister Petrice is awesome?
I normally play a variety of characters, but I often enjoy playing "evil" or morally ambigious or zealous fanatic characters more due to them being my complete opposite IRL. Reason being that I want to explore the psychology of being someone Im not (which is the whole point of roleplaying isnt it?)
I just think sister petrice as a romance option would be good in adding that one "villanous" love interest.
As it stands, it seems to me that all your companions atm are in the good-person range. And I find it hard roleplay when all your companions are in the white range of white/gray/black morality compass. It simply makes it less interesting imo. You people rather prefer that or? O.o
I have yet been able to pull off a romance with my "evil" play throughs yet. Cause so spiteful, so killing everyone possible kinda makes that play through lonely. I had to fight Archdemon in with characters. Loghain (who sacrificed himself cause that warden was laughing maniacally when Loghain fell), dog (noble origins), and one other, might of been the Warden in that slot...oh yep, no magic at that point to fight the Demon.
DA2, I cant remember who all I killed on that one. Petrice stabbed my evil Hawke in the back and felt she needed to die too.
argh :/ Guess its extremely unlikely then. Thanks for responding atleast.
https://www.youtube....h?v=EHk0ShaPo6Y
This is the video of Petrice in act 3. She never died in my playthroughs
As for what I find appealing in her, she reminds me of this woman here:
insane, clueless, but still power hungry?
no Petrice is just a deluded zealot
So am I completely alone in thinking sister Petrice is awesome?
I normally play a variety of characters, but I often enjoy playing "evil" or morally ambigious or zealous fanatic characters more due to them being my complete opposite IRL. Reason being that I want to explore the psychology of being someone Im not (which is the whole point of roleplaying isnt it?)
I just think sister petrice as a romance option would be good in adding that one "villanous" love interest.
As it stands, it seems to me that all your companions atm are in the good-person range. And I find it hard roleplay when all your companions are in the white range of white/gray/black morality compass. It simply makes it less interesting imo. You people rather prefer that or? O.o
That's all well and good, but this certain type of person or this other type isn't everyone's cup of tea. That's your schtick to roleplay the fanatical zealot of sorts, and that's great. Me? I like the idea of playing the hero, still. Maybe because it's been instilled in me to always root for the good guys, or maybe because I just like experiencing the feel of actively being the good guy. Then again, I also often try to combine that with the whole smart-arsed, roguish, I'll-still-******-cut-you-like-a-motherfucking-bitchtit-even-though-I'm-all-for-freedom-for-mages-and-**** douchebag stint. So I enjoy playing up the obnoxious arsehole as well (even though I like to think I'm definitely not one?), but anyway, that's beside the point.
Thing is, Petrice is presented as this trecherous character, particularly towards the player-character, and it'll often become a point of ire for them. If you like it, that's cool? I just would not be surprised if there are a hell of a lot of other people who just don't...
I also think that Petrice is such a horrible fit as a name for her character, personally, because a close friend of mine shares that name and she's one of the nicest and sweetest ladies I've known.
So you're into women who set you up, try to get you killed, attempt to start a war and kill an innocent boy?
Interesting.
Oddly enough, I wouldn't mind being set up so much, nor starting a war, if it was for a reason I can remotely sympathize with. Since many of my characters are pragmatists, I can respect people who do what must be done from their perspective, under certain conditions, even if I've been in the line of fire. However, as much as I hate qunari culture, a combination of racism and religious fanaticism is not something I find appealing.
Had the same plan, minus Seamus' death, come from a person with cool political expediency instead of fanaticism, I might have worked with her and respected her. I might even have found her awesome. As it is.....no.
She stopped moving once she got a thick arrow planted in her skull with a firm *thuck*.
The intent was still there for ALL of those.
The intent was not still there. Isabela did not try to get you killed, or start a war, and we have no idea how many people she's killed or who they were. She's nothing like Petrice.
Do you really think this is only going to stay in Kirkwall? The Arishok makes it clear that the Qunari will return, yet he didn't only mention Kirkwall. It's seems to hint heavily that the Qunari will come for all of them that don't follow the Qun.
If they don't appear in DA:I than I can see them being the invasion force in the next game and a huge plot source.
That's not Isabela's fault. BioWare's been dropping hints for a Qunari invasion since Origins.
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The intent was not still there. Isabela did not try to get you killed, or start a war, and we have no idea how many people she's killed or who they were. She's nothing like Petrice.
Isabela knowing made you the fall person for the entire situation when she KNEW that war was breaking out over the entire thing and even lied to you about not running off with the book which you needed to try and stop the entire thing from exploding. Not to mention that she knew about it even before meeting Hawke, hence why she doesn't want to go see the Qunari on the off chance that they would know who she was.
Furthermore, YES she did knowing start a war. She knew what the book was, she knew what the Qunari would do to get it back, and she knew that those that wanted the book wished to use it as propaganda against the Qun and to instigate all out war. Yet she still stole it, kept it and tried to run off with it when she got it back.
Not saying she's the same as Petrice. What i'm saying is that she LITERALLY did all of those type of base things that Petrice did. The difference is that she isn't an insane religious zealot and is instead a very selfish individual who only looks out for #1 unless you change her opinion by putting up with her constant betrayals.
Fact is that the Arishok became rather tame as soon as he got the book and if you hand over Isabela he leaves in peace. Had Isabela never stolen the book or it was returned earlier than the Arishok would have packed up his followers and left without a fight or fuss or never even been there in the first place.
The Arishok was also highly patient, he hated the city and there were fanatics killing his followers. Yet he did nothing for 4 years, it was only when he finally had enough, and the book still not being found at that point, that he snapped.
Furthermore...
Novels and Comics make it clear, Isabela killed a ton of innocent people over the years and did murder a ton of slaves when she tossed them overboard, while still chained, to their deaths.
That's not Isabela's fault. BioWare's been dropping hints for a Qunari invasion since Origins.
Doesn't matter, Isabela gave them an excuse and she knew very well how important that Book was and what those that wanted it stolen planned to do with it.
She didn't care, all she cared about was her own hide and making profit. Had her ship never been sunk than she would have delivered the book as planned and a War between the Chantry and the Qun would have started before the first year of Hawke's service with the Theives or Mercenaries was up.
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Isabela is like Petrice to an extent. They will both kill in cold blood in order to get what they want. However, one does it because she is selfish, and the other does it because she thinks she is helping in the end.That's not Isabela's fault. BioWare's been dropping hints for a Qunari invasion since Origins.
So am I completely alone in thinking sister Petrice is awesome?
I normally play a variety of characters, but I often enjoy playing "evil" or morally ambigious or zealous fanatic characters more due to them being my complete opposite IRL. Reason being that I want to explore the psychology of being someone Im not (which is the whole point of roleplaying isnt it?)
I just think sister petrice as a romance option would be good in adding that one "villanous" love interest.
As it stands, it seems to me that all your companions atm are in the good-person range. And I find it hard roleplay when all your companions are in the white range of white/gray/black morality compass. It simply makes it less interesting imo. You people rather prefer that or? O.o
I had Hawke side with her a couple of times, but I'd rather have the Arishok's respect. My Hawkes tended to be lawful evil templars and staunch supporters of the Chantry, but I never shared her hatred for the Qunari. In fact, the most common version of Hawke that I played tended to agree with many of the Qun's basic principles, and admired the order of their system. Petrice's goals simply did not appeal to me and you didn't even gain much by helping her... in the end it just wasn't worth it.
I'm guessing there will be a villainous, or at least morally ambiguous LI somewhere in the game, but I'm not sure who... we don't have much info to go on atm.
I hope it will return. In one of my campaigns, Sister Petrice allied himself with me (as did a male Hawk who hated the Qunari). I remember she was severely reprimanded by the grand cleric of Kirkwall. And in the end, in a conversation we had, she threatened the chantry with a new schism. She said we were allies. So I hope to see her again.
Most of my Hawke's didn't care fer her at all, but my "canon" Inquisitor will probably agree with her goals, but probably not her methods.
Myself? I find her plot armor in Act 1 absolutely ****ing disgusting, so for that fact alone I harbor nothing but seething hatred for the lady.
About her betraying&backstabbing you.
I cant remember her story/quests in detail. But if we try to see it from her side, consider this:
You are devoted to the chantry. You perceive the Qunari to be dangerous and infectious influence both religiously and pysically. What Petrice knows is that you possibly made dealings by talking and meeting with the Qunari. If she wants to protect her people, she can hit two birds with one stone (remember she doesent really know that much about Hawke personally?)
There are many kinds of moral codes for right and wrong. Some value intent, some actions and some consequenses. The classical example being "Stealing is morally wrong. If a poor child steals bread from a wealthy merchant to save his dying mother, is that then an immoral act?"
I'd like someone to argue that her actions are immoral or evil, because in her eyes - she may be doing some immoral acts. But her intention is to cause a benevolent outcome (save Kirkwall from the Qunari). So Petrice is actually doing the right thing. Her actions are for all intentes and purposes utilitarian (Wiki: usually defined as maximizing total benefit and reducing suffering or the negatives). Its basicly a situation of sacrificing 100 people to save 1000 people.
Hey man, if you're into fundamentalist zealots more power to you.
I hated Petrice so much I'd be fine if they bring her back somehow just so I can watch her die again. Maybe that will be in the fade somewhere.
I really hated Petrice the first time around but I kinda mellowed out a bit on her eventually.
I mean yeah, she's still a zealot ******, but she's actually an interesting character tbh, wouldn't mind seeing her in DAI if she survived DA2 (I do have one run where she survived).
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