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[2girls1reaper]

Thread title. Why do the Reapers attack everywhere in the galaxy around the Citadel, but not the Citadel itself? I mean sure, you could say Shepard stopped that from happening in the first game, but that was just one reaper.

[Iakus]

My theory:

 

It would be a pretty short game otherwise. 

 

No other reason.

[Excella Gionne]

Why would they attack the Citadel? The Citadel is the Catalyst, and the Catalyst controls the Reapers since Starbrat is the Reaper A.I. 

[Lucky]

In reality, I think lakus is right.

 

I think the way it is supposed to be justified though is that the Reaper's strategy is to divide and conquer. If they directly assaulted the citadel, then they would face a unified force of all the citadel races. Instead they attack each race's territory separately, trying to sow division's in the citadel race's alliances and get them all looking out for themselves instead of working as a unified force.

[Excella Gionne]

My theory:

 

It would be a pretty short game otherwise. 

 

No other reason.

Pss... would have been a better ending since they would be destroying themselves. 

[Iakus]

Why would they attack the Citadel? The Citadel is the Catalyst, and the Catalyst controls the Reapers since Starbrat is the Reaper A.I. Did you not listen?

 

Capture the Citadel, shut down the relay network, pick off the galaxy piecemeal.  Just like every other cycle.

 

Good luck assembling the Crucible.

[Lucky]

Why would they attack the Citadel? The Citadel is the Catalyst, and the Catalyst controls the Reapers since Starbrat is the Reaper A.I. Did you not listen?

They wouldn't try and destroy the Citadel, they would however like to have control of it and kill of the galactic leadership stationed there...

 

That was the whole point of Sovereign's plan in ME1, did you not listen?

[Excella Gionne]

Capture the Citadel, shut down the relay network, pick off the galaxy piecemeal.  Just like every other cycle.

 

Good luck assembling the Crucible.

I had trouble understanding the OP. Either it's the Reapers attacking the Citadel, or the Reapers assault the Citadel to regain control of it...

[Excella Gionne]

They wouldn't try and destroy the Citadel, they would however like to have control of it and kill of the galactic leadership stationed there...

 

That was the whole point of Sovereign's plan in ME1, did you not listen?

I understood the OP in two ways. Either they destroy the Citadel or they assault and take control of it.

[Farangbaa]

For once Iakus is right.

[Excella Gionne]

For once Iakus is right.

Iakus pretty much ended the thread. Now all we can do is state the same thing, but with more facts.... :S

[Farangbaa]

You can always turn this into another 'Excella and Spork Talk it Over'-thread

 

[Excella Gionne]

You can always turn this into another 'Excella and Spork Talk it Over'-thread

 

Possibly, sometimes its three pages long, but at most it's 1 - 2. But there isn't really much to touch on this subject other than an insta-win for the Reapers. I would say that the Reapers led themselves to their own demise. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Their reasons for doing so are beyond our comprehension.

[Humakt83]

Pay attention and you understand.
 

 

Refugee camp is supported by Udina, which sheds some light about how Cerberus orchestrated the coup. Interesting considering there is a Cerberus agent there who duped Shepard's biggest fan. It is also noteworthy that corrupt Bailey was also puppeteered into his position, which likely made it even easier to compromise C-Sec. Interestingly C-sec traitor Cerberus troopers shot seems to be Coates look-a-like.
 

 

 

Yes, a lot of people missed both Cerberus sneaking agents in through the refugee camp and that Udina's machinations actually began prior to Mass Effect 3 with promoting Bailey. The implications of that are curious, but it seems that Bailey really was just an unwitting pawn in Udina's plan.

People also miss a curious comment that Javik makes (or they don't make the likely connection) - in his cycle, the Reapers fully allowed refugees to gather at camps. They took in indoctrinated refugees, who then easily compromised the camps from within. Additionally, this strategy is devious for another reason - it allows easy slaughter or harvest of individuals, as they are mass gathering in a single location. Although the Citadel was taken offscreen, indoctrinated refugees most likely played a major part in taking the Citadel, as NOT using that glaring security hole would be illogical...even for the Reapers.

 

 

 

There's also this mission summary you get after doing Thane's Loyalty mission: "Thane's personal matter revealed troubling issue with Citadel politics. May have to support Elias Kelham and similar criminals to counteract anti-human bias. Bailey at C-Sec offers a possible recruiting opportunity."

 

So Bailey was pawn of Udina, who was pawn of Cerberus, who ended up being pawn of the Reapers. That's some pawnception right there.

 

And that refugee tactic together with Cerberus was likely the very reason why the Reapers did not bother trying to siege Citadel in the first place (which wouldn't have worked that well, Citadel is practically impenetrable when its arms are closed).

 

[dreamgazer]

It would be a pretty short game otherwise. 

 

You can work around semi-plausible explanations as to why they didn't directly attack, but yeah, that'll be the practical basis behind any of them. 

[JasonShepard]

Because attacking the Citadel from the outside is pretty difficult, even for them. If it's sealed up, then, well, they're fighting their own tech trying to crack it open. And they're running the risk of damaging the Catalyst.

 

I can see why they might wait until TIM was prepared to hand it to them on a silver platter.

 

Though, yeah, what Iakus said.

[themikefest]

Because ME3 is the starting point in the trilogy and whatever happened in previous games are meaningless. Plus the new player didn't know the reapers attack the Citadel at the beginning of each cycle unless he/she has played the first two games.

[SporkFu]

Harbinger: We cannot assume direct control of the Citadel.

Catalyst: I told you to wipe out those protheans. but noooo... you had to have a pet. 

Harbinger: Irrelevant.

Catalyst: No it isn't, you big stupid cuttlefish. 

Harbinger: Your attack is an insult. 

Catalyst: Duh. 

Harbinger: This body's pain is irrelevant. 

Catalyst: *sigh* ... Fine. Okay how about this? The organics have altered the viarables.. Hmm, I like that. Someone write that down. Where was I? Oh yes... I'm going to let this play out. 

Harbinger: This hurts us.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Harbinger: We cannot assume direct control of the Citadel.

Catalyst: I told you to wipe out those protheans. but noooo... you had to have a pet. 

Harbinger: Irrelevant.

Catalyst: No it isn't, you big stupid cuttlefish. 

Harbinger: Your attack is an insult. 

Catalyst: Duh. 

Harbinger: This body's pain is irrelevant. 

Catalyst: *sigh* ... Fine. Okay how about this? The organics have altered the viarables.. Hmm, I like that. Someone write that down. Where was I? Oh yes... I'm going to let this play out. 

Harbinger: This hurts us.

 

I can totally imagine the Catalyst letting Shepard choose because he was fed up dealing with Harbinger.

 

"You just left and let Shepard walk up here? Destruction is better than this."

[SporkFu]

I can totally imagine the Catalyst letting Shepard choose because he was fed up dealing with Harbinger.

 

"You just left and let Shepard walk up here? Destruction is better than this."

It makes me wonder how much control the catalyst had of the citadel, really. I mean... why didn't it just reset the keepers and erase the prothean alteration of their command code, so they could open the relay for the reapers again? So I figure it made a conscious choice to see what would happen. Maybe because it was something new?

 

It's also funny that when shep mentions the crucible, the catalyst says something about how it thought the plans for the crucible were eradicted. To me, its tone was kinda like, "damn, thwarted again." ... which makes me think it didn't really want to come up with a new solution anymore. 

[TurianRebel212]

Cause video games and stuff. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Because the Citadel is the heart of galactic civilization, with nearly all species having an interest in protecting it. Trying to take it by force would result in many Reaper ship casualties, which equate to the loss of entire civilizations, whereas indoctrinated agents (like TIM, who is the reason they got it back just before Priority: Earth) are expendable and can be thrown at it endlessly until one of them finally breaks through.

 

Can't think about it from a pure military perspective. Reapers must keep their ships safe at all costs.

[themikefest]

 

Can't think about it from a pure military perspective. Reapers must keep their ships safe at all costs.

Best way to protect them is to leave them in dark space and let the destroyers to all the work. Why take the chance of putting them in harm's way regardless of how tough they are?

[Fixers0]

 Because the Citadel is the heart of galactic civilization, with nearly all species having an interest in protecting it. Trying to take it by force would result in many Reaper ship casualties, which equate to the loss of entire civilizations, whereas indoctrinated agents (like TIM, who is the reason they got it back just before Priority: Earth) are expendable and can be thrown at it endlessly until one of them finally breaks through.

 

Can't think about it from a pure military perspective. Reapers must keep their ships safe at all costs.

 

This Point doesn't really hold up when you take into account that the reapers do actually lose ships in normal combat, it is mentioned that during the inital attack on palaven the Reapers lost several captial ships. In addtion, the firepower of 3-4 dreadnoughts is enough to down a reaper capital ship and a Reaper destroyer can be wrecked by just a single cruiser.

 

If the goal was to protect exterminated "civilisations" (which is nothing more than liquid components) than there is no logic in puting said civilisation in harm's way to begin with.

 

Futhermore, it would be highly improbably and extremly contrived that one person  would be able to sabotage the Citadel defences in such a manner that the Reapers can take it without having to fight the Citadel's defences forces.