Ah, but if we had lost the citadel in the very beginning, like the protheans did, would our cycle have been able to fight for as long as they did? I wonder about that.
Probably not even as long. The Protheans were spread out more. Therefore, the Repaers had more systems to harvest.
If the current cycle has lost control of the Citadel at the very start, stick a fork in them, they're done. All over but the shouting.
Hehehe. Speculation is for salarians.
They do have minds like a maze.
Probably not even as long. The Protheans were spread out more. Therefore, the Repaers had more systems to harvest.
If the current cycle has lost control of the Citadel at the very start, stick a fork in them, they're done. All over but the shouting.
So Liara might have to adjust her estimates a little bit.
Ah, but if we had lost the citadel in the very beginning, like the protheans did, would our cycle have been able to fight for as long as they did? I wonder about that.
I say we wouldn't of lasted as long
I would say if the reapers did have control of the Citadel they would have control of the relays making the building of the Crucible to take a very long time,since it would take time to get suppies to the area. And since the Crucible Project was sabotaged from within during the Prothean cycle, I would guess Cerberus would've eventually of located or even infiltrated the project during our cycle. And even if we were to complete the Crucible, it would take a long time to get the Crucible to the Citadel giving the reapers a chance of destroying it before it ever got to the Citadel
I say we wouldn't of lasted as long
I would say if the reapers did have control of the Citadel they would have control of the relays making the building of the Crucible to take a very long time,since it would take time to get suppies to the area. And since the Crucible Project was sabotaged from within during the Prothean cycle, I would guess Cerberus would've eventually of located or even infiltrated the project during our cycle. And even if we were to complete the Crucible, it would take a long time to get the Crucible to the Citadel giving the reapers a chance of destroying it before it ever got to the Citadel
That's why I was wondering about Ilos. Was the Conduit's original purpose to be a way for the protheans to take back control of the Citadel from the reapers before the crucible was discovered? When Vigil awoke only a handful of protheans on Ilos, did they realize that plan A wouldn't work, so they came up with a plan B -- the keeper signal -- to keep the reapers from taking control of the citadel in the next cycle, which would give us a better chance to build the crucible and use it.
That's why I was wondering about Ilos. Was the Conduit's original purpose to be a way for the protheans to take back control of the Citadel from the reapers before the crucible was discovered? When Vigil awoke only a handful of protheans on Ilos, did they realize that plan A wouldn't work, so they came up with a plan B -- the keeper signal -- to keep the reapers from taking control of the citadel in the next cycle, which would give us a better chance to build the crucible and use it.
That's possible and even if they were able to take back control, they still would have to fight through a lot of reapers to get the Crucible docked with the Citadel.
Had the relays been working like they do for us in our cycle, the Protheans may of succeeded in using the Crucible.
The scientists knew plan A wouldn't work, so they did the next best thing and that was to mess up the signal so the reapers couldn't use the Citadel. They are the real heroe's of the ME trilogy
That's possible and even if they were able to take back control, they still would have to fight through a lot of reapers to get the Crucible docked with the Citadel.
Had the relays been working like they do for us in our cycle, the Protheans may of succeeded in using the Crucible.
The scientists knew plan A wouldn't work, so they did the next best thing and that was to mess up the signal so the reapers couldn't use the Citadel. They are the real heroe's of the ME trilogy
Exactly. That's my thought. The protheans are kinda awesome.
That's why I was wondering about Ilos. Was the Conduit's original purpose to be a way for the protheans to take back control of the Citadel from the reapers before the crucible was discovered? When Vigil awoke only a handful of protheans on Ilos, did they realize that plan A wouldn't work, so they came up with a plan B -- the keeper signal -- to keep the reapers from taking control of the citadel in the next cycle, which would give us a better chance to build the crucible and use it.
It's all pure speculation, but your theory does make sense. Because the conduit isn't linked to the relay network, it could have been used by the Protheans to infiltrate the Citadel from within and take it back, but that would be a reckless idea since reapers would be swarming all over the Citadel. Even if the Protheans did want to take the Citadel back, they would not be able to act fast enough to get away from the reapers. The Plan B, sabotaging the keeper signal, does make more sense. Vigil does not mention the Crucible in any way though. Sabotaging the signal was merely meant to stop the reapers from signaling the keepers to open the Citadel Mass Relay since that was the intent of the Citadel being a relay. Talk about being surprised!!! I guess sabotaging the reaper signal did buy the current cycle some time since reapers couldn't magically appear right at the heart of the Citadel due to the Citadel Relay needing to be manually activated instead.
It's all pure speculation, but your theory does make sense. Because the conduit isn't linked to the relay network, it could have been used by the Protheans to infiltrate the Citadel from within and take it back, but that would be a reckless idea since reapers would be swarming all over the Citadel. Even if the Protheans did want to take the Citadel back, they would not be able to act fast enough to get away from the reapers. The Plan B, sabotaging the keeper signal, does make more sense. Vigil does not mention the Crucible in any way though. Sabotaging the signal was merely meant to stop the reapers from signaling the keepers to open the Citadel Mass Relay since that was the intent of the Citadel being a relay. Talk about being surprised!!! I guess sabotaging the reaper signal did buy the current cycle some time since reapers couldn't magically appear right at the heart of the Citadel due to the Citadel Relay needing to be manually activated instead.
Well, there were hundreds of stasis pods on Ilos. The protheans would've had a small army coming through the conduit if things had gone according to plan. And it's possible -- speculation yay! -- that all the protheans were operating on a need-to-know basis, like Vigil was programmed to wake up the protheans on Ilos and then reveal the crucible plan to them. Before that they didn't know anything about it, in order to keep it secret, keep it safe.
Exactly. That's my thought. The protheans are kinda awesome.
Agreed, without the Protheans the current cycle would have long been harvested.
This really grinds my gears as well. It's my second biggest problem with the game, Shepard conveniently forgetting about the conduit on ilos so we can instead commit suicide following Anderson's "plan".
It's like the Reaper's had an instant "I win" button the entire war & they didn't use it. Hell even when they took the Citadel they still left the Relays open! WTF Bioware
In the end though even with the Reaper's being nerfed to the point of stupidity we still shouldn't have won. Anderson's "plan" should never have worked in a billion years, but due to the power of plot armour & stupidity Shep somehow survives the most broken scene in the series to save the universe.... by way of RGB via God kid... & back to the DA:I forum 
Well, there were hundreds of stasis pods on Ilos. The protheans would've had a small army coming through the conduit if things had gone according to plan. And it's possible -- speculation yay! -- that all the protheans were operating on a need-to-know basis, like Vigil was programmed to wake up the protheans on Ilos and then reveal the crucible plan to them. Before that they didn't know anything about it, in order to keep it secret, keep it safe.
I guess the only shortcoming was that Vigil needed to triage energy from the stasis pods as time went by because it needed to stay alive long enough to pass on its secrets to someone else.
I guess the only shortcoming was that Vigil needed to triage energy from the stasis pods as time went by because it needed to stay alive long enough to pass on its secrets to someone else.
That's where my speculation kinda falls apart. Vigil would have already had knowledge of plan B before it started conserving energy... but I guess it can be easily explained by having plan B already in place as a contingency before the protheans ever went into stasis in the first place.
Because Marauder Shields is secretly the big villain. And that he was waiting from the beginning to face Shepard in a one on one showdown. He told his buddy Harbringer to NOT to rush things, so he can have the chance to face Shepard.
Marauder Shields was like
"You know what? We've done this a MILLION (and millions) times already. We go in through the Citadel and wipe everyone one by one, sleep for a few millenia, come back, do the same thing again. it's getting pretty boring. So let's mix it up a bit"
This really grinds my gears as well. It's my second biggest problem with the game, Shepard conveniently forgetting about the conduit on ilos so we can instead commit suicide following Anderson's "plan".
It's like the Reaper's had an instant "I win" button the entire war & they didn't use it. Hell even when they took the Citadel they still left the Relays open! WTF Bioware
I was under the impression that the Conduit was no longer functional by then, hence the limited window to pass through it in the first place.
As for the relays, I suppose that's fair, since we never really get a good explanation about what the Protheans sabotaged beyond the Keeper signal. Personally, I always wished that the reapers actually did close the relay network at that point, but by then, the fleets were positioned in a location accessible from the Sol system, allowing them to simply take the long way in. It would certainly bypass the lore-breaking influx of hundreds of ships through a single relay at once.
Because Marauder Shields is secretly the big villain. And that he was waiting from the beginning to face Shepard in a one on one showdown. He told his buddy Harbringer to NOT to rush things, so he can have the chance to face Shepard.
Marauder Shields was like
"You know what? We've done this a MILLION (and millions) times already. We go in through the Citadel and wipe everyone one by one, sleep for a few millenia, come back, do the same thing again. it's getting pretty boring. So let's mix it up a bit"
Hey! Marauder Shields is a goddessdamn hero. You better show some respect.
If the reapers had shut down the relays except for reaper traffic. Then Shepard would have flown into the Citadel with "tsar bomba" and set that on the Citadel Ring with a timer. Flown out the Serpent Nebula relay, and you could kiss the Citadel goodbye. And since "Dumbbrat" controls the reapers -- thinks for them, does everything... etc., what do the reapers do then? Do they stop? Do they scratch their hindquarters?
"Hey, Harby, you know, no one is telling us what to do anymore."
"Yeah, this blowing up the galaxy and destroying planets every 50,000 years is getting real old."
"I quit."
I was under the impression that the Conduit was no longer functional by then, hence the limited window to pass through it in the first place.
That seems to make the most sense.
Then again there is so much goofiness surrounding the Citadel/Crucible plan that it doesn't really help.
If the reapers had shut down the relays except for reaper traffic. Then Shepard would have flown into the Citadel with "tsar bomba" and set that on the Citadel Ring with a timer. Flown out the Serpent Nebula relay, and you could kiss the Citadel goodbye. And since "Dumbbrat" controls the reapers -- thinks for them, does everything... etc., what do the reapers do then? Do they stop? Do they scratch their hindquarters?
"Hey, Harby, you know, no one is telling us what to do anymore."
"Yeah, this blowing up the galaxy and destroying planets every 50,000 years is getting real old."
"I quit."
Or the minds in the reapers, now free from the Catalyst control, now go into some kind of frenzy and the reapers behave erratically, and to free themselves from the torture of what they've become, they all fly into the nearest star to end it all. I think I like that ending.
Or the minds in the reapers, now free from the Catalyst control, now go into some kind of frenzy and the reapers behave erratically, and to free themselves from the torture of what they've become, they all fly into the nearest star to end it all. I think I like that ending.
Except Harbinger wakes up and realizes it was all a dream, it didn't really die, and the starchild is still alive.
Except Harbinger wakes up and realizes it was all a dream, it didn't really die, and the starchild is still alive.
And Harbinger's wife, concerned, asks:
"What's wrong? Bad dream?"
"I had the Shepard nightmare again. This hurts me."
And Harbinger's wife, concerned, asks:
"What's wrong? Bad dream?"
"I had the Shepard nightmare again. This hurts me."
"Oh cuddlyfish, those dreams are bacteria. Remember I'm here, and we fight as one."
But what if the reapers decided to form a union?
But what if the reapers decided to form a union?
They would have to think about it very carefully.
Because that would be a decision made for a very long time.
But what if the reapers decided to form a union?
The husks start erecting giant inflatable rats in front of colonies, demanding better benefits and some actual clothing from their reaper bosses.
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