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The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


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#51
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Why the hell is Legolas even chasing after that orc? Upset that he got a nosebleed?


Hell yeah that's exactly why. You should see me hunt down a marauder in ME3 multiplayer that meeles me. The sound of getting konked and that smug look they give you from their proud stance afterwards, is a challenge that must be answered. I've so few cobra missiles now its scary.

As much as I am looking forward to this movie, I remain sceptical. The first 2 in this series, though not bad, are certainly missing the charm of the LOTR series.
Anyone else feel the need to watch reign of fire because of this thread?

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Personally doesn't bug me, though Nostalgia Critic does raise a few good points.

I liked the trailer, it'll make for a good popcorn flick. The Desolation of Smaug was entertaining enough(though the storylining had an awful lot of issues).

What annoys me is how people act like Practical is immediately better in every way. Really, CG and Practical can both look amazing, or crappy.

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I liked the trailer, it'll make for a good popcorn flick. The Desolation of Smaug was entertaining enough(though the storylining had an awful lot of issues).

 

I never thought that youtube channel was to be taken seriously. I mean, half of his problems with movies are nitpicks.


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I never thought that youtube channel was to be taken seriously. I mean, half of his problems with movies are nitpicks.

Yeah CinemaSins isn't a measure of quality.



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What annoys me is how people act like Practical is immediately better in every way. Really, CG and Practical can both look amazing, or crappy.

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True and true. Though there is one department in The Hobbit films that would seriously benefit from a few practical effects and that's the orc leaders. Bolg and Azog are no where near as impressive as a lot of the orcs and uruks from LOTR.

 

Particularly disappointing is the current (CG) concept for Bolg, as opposed to the more practical one they had originally set to use.

 

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I think these films deliberately are sillier and more childish, more fantastical looking than LOTR due to the tone of the book. I think it works IMO, on an entertainment level absolutely but not necessarily on an artistic level.
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I think these films deliberately are sillier and more childish, more fantastical looking than LOTR due to the tone of the book. I think it works IMO, on an entertainment level absolutely but not necessarily on an artistic level.

 

During the first two Hobbbit movies, I remember like 20  minutes of material that made me think it could be a movie about book Hobbit. I'm not some Tolkien purist/fan and don't exactly mind much if Jackson goes against the book. I don't like watching Hobbit movies mainly because I  like watching good movies where action scenes don't feel like plastic people music videos or video game cutscenes. 

 

Challenge: try not to nod along to this recent interview with Viggo Mortensen

 

“Anybody who says they knew it was going to be the success it was, I don’t think it’s really true,” he says. “They didn’t have an inkling until they showed 20 minutes in Cannes, in May of 2001. They were in a lot of trouble, and Peter had spent a lot. Officially, he could say that he was finished in December 2000 – he’d shot all three films in the trilogy – but really the second and third ones were a mess. It was very sloppy – it just wasn’t done at all. It needed massive reshoots, which we did, year after year. But he would have never been given the extra money to do those if the first one hadn’t been a huge success. The second and third ones would have been straight to video.”



Mortensen thinks – rightly – that The Fellowship of the Ring turned out the best of the three, perhaps largely because it was shot in one go. “It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane. But it’s true that the first script was better organised,” he says. “Also, Peter was always a geek in terms of technology but, once he had the means to do it, and the evolution of the technology really took off, he never looked back. In the first movie, yes, there’s Rivendell, and Mordor, but there’s sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it’s grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.



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I never thought that youtube channel was to be taken seriously. I mean, half of his problems with movies are nitpicks.

 

Nitpicks? I think they're there for the lolz xD


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Hype!

 

Hopefully it turns out great. The reception has been critically favorable to the most part though still a bit mixed by the fans, hopefully the third will come and bring us all together.


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Just watched that cinemasins vid.

 

I loved the second movie but I freaking laughed  A LOT watching it xD



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Dear Hobbit vol. 3: Please don't suck

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You've hated PJ's stuff since LOTR, right? Well, you've said enough about them to make me think that.

 

So why in the hell are you hoping you'll enjoy this? xD



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Is it just me that thinks the visuals and combat scenes might be the weakest part of the Hobbit movies?


I disagree. The goblin king run and barrel-river ride with the elves were so incredibly well choreographed and extremely entertaining (which is fitting to the nature of the book). I found myself on the edge of my seat for every other combat scene, as well (i.e. Legolas & Bard). 

 

 The book really had no strong female characters that I can remember, so you add one and then reduce her character to the run of the mill love triangle?


Ugh, seriously this. I was looking forward to what they planned to do with Tauriel, but then she was immediately overshadwoed by the ridiculous Kili glowing crap-for-romance, and I was never so disappointed with P.J./LOTR film  <_< I'm not looking forward to her tears in the next movie. Although I expect she's going to die as an excuse for her absence in LOTR and to motivate Legolas (I hope not, because chicks dying just to add emotional depth to a male character is enough of a trope) 

 


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I disagree. The goblin king run and barrel-river ride with the elves were so incredibly well choreographed and extremely entertaining (which is fitting to the nature of the book). I found myself on the edge of my seat for every other combat scene, as well (i.e. Legolas & Bard). 

 

Yup, some of the combat scenes are absolutely brilliant in their own right (for example I said before that I love the barrel scene and the Smaug chase), but that's just it. You have to look at them on their own merits, and that they're not necessarily going to play out like the LOTR film's examples.

 

However, the series itself makes it difficult to do so. The trailer's shout 'from Peter Jackson of the Lord of the Ring's trilogy' and the films make enough connections with their predecessors to 'outdo' George Lucas himself. Because of all this self referential stuff and the fact that they're prequels, people are going to expect similarities. And for the most part with the combat (and even beyond), its just not there. So I completely understand anyone who can't get into the action sequences, never mind the films in their entirety. The tonal difference is just night and day.  



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You've hated PJ's stuff since LOTR, right? Well, you've said enough about them to make me think that.
 
So why in the hell are you hoping you'll enjoy this? xD


Simfam; You've got me all wrong! I hated "King Kong" and never saw "the Loveley Bones" but it was so intertwined with Oprah that I likely never will. Other than the awful remake mentioned above and the mind-numbing scene in "Return of the King" I have liked pretty much ALL of Jackson's work, including "the Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures". I am just a huge fan of "the Hobbit" & want to see it done with dignity and class.

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Nitpicks? I think they're there for the lolz xD

 

Exactly.

 

Simfam; You've got me all wrong! I hated "King Kong" and never saw "the Loveley Bones" but it was so intertwined with Oprah that I likely never will. Other than the awful remake mentioned above and the mind-numbing scene in "Return of the King" I have liked pretty much ALL of Jackson's work, including "the Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures". I am just a huge fan of "the Hobbit" & want to see it done with dignity and class.

 

 

You aren't a true fan until you see this.

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Trailer has me excited. I just hope they don't do something really stupid like having Kili survive the movie because of that awful love story which is the worst part of the movies. I also hope they don't try to outdo the Siege of Gondor/Battle of the Pelennor Fields with the Battle of Five Armies.

The largest battles of the Third age afaik;
.1 Siege of Gondor/Battle of Pelennor
.2 Battle of Dale/ Siege of Erebor (War of the Ring)
.3 The Battle of the Morannon
.4 The Battle of the Five Armies
.5 The Battle of the Hornburg
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Simfam; You've got me all wrong! I hated "King Kong" and never saw "the Loveley Bones" but it was so intertwined with Oprah that I likely never will. Other than the awful remake mentioned above and the mind-numbing scene in "Return of the King" I have liked pretty much ALL of Jackson's work, including "the Frighteners" and "Heavenly Creatures". I am just a huge fan of "the Hobbit" & want to see it done with dignity and class.

 

Errr...

 

I'm pleasantly surprised or foolishly decived.

 

Either way, if you hate PJ it means you have a passion for Tolkein. Either way, you're cool in my books. I love them both...

 

But Tolkein man...

 

The only dude who can write a high-on-weed Forest dude and NOT make him absolutely ridiculous.

 

I still laugh everytime he comes up.


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Trailer has me excited. I just hope they don't do something really stupid like having Kili survive the movie because of that awful love story which is the worst part of the movies. I also hope they don't try to outdo the Siege of Gondor/Battle of the Pelennor Fields with the Battle of Five Armies.

The largest battles of the Third age afaik;
.1 Siege of Gondor/Battle of Pelennor
.2 Battle of Dale/ Siege of Erebor (War of the Ring)
.3 The Battle of the Morannon
.4 The Battle of the Five Armies
.5 The Battle of the Hornburg

 

Yeah, I'll defend PJ as much as he deserves.

 

But that romance... NEVER would I have thought that I'd walk out the cinema just to skip that god-awful dialogue during Kili's near-death part.

 

And I don't think he'll survive simply for the fact that writers like killing of characters for some reason.



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Tom Bombadil or GTFO.

 

I'll probably be seeing this. The subtitle is a bit odd, but it's not the worst.



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The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.

 

I lost the challenge. But then again I never really wanted to win, because I usually fully agree with Mortensen's statements about the Middle-earth movies. Especially that last part is so true. In case of the LotR movies I just went along with it, because there were still so many things well done, and I was simply too excited about the whole trilogy to care.

 

For me a lot of the action sequences in the Hobbit movies are actually among the more unpleasant experiences I had watching movies on the big screen. It's harsh, but I can't think of many other movies that had me confuse fellow moviegoers due to constant facepalming and making annoyed sounds. 

 

And that is not neccessarily because I think the action scenes were bad by themselves. I'm actually pretty sure that were they in another movie I might've well liked some of the ideas and choreographies. But in the context of The Hobbit watching the Goblin caves, the barrel sequence or the Smaug chase did little more than annoy and irritate me. Because for me they fit with neither the book nor the LotR movies, and each of them completely took me out the experience. 

 

There are very few movie adaptations that make me go all "purist" on them, but The Hobbit is among them (another prime example would be Watchmen). Even then I am willing to accept changes to some extent, if they seem reasonable, make for a better movie experience, or at least do not make things worse. 



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Tom Bombadil or GTFO.

 

I'll probably be seeing this. The subtitle is a bit odd, but it's not the worst.

 

It tells you all that you're going to need to know.

 

I swear I'll have a hard-on for the 3 hours of this movie.



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hobbit_the_battle_of_the_five_armies_FNL

 

Apparently the film will stay true to the book, with most of the battle cut out on account of the protagonist taking a rock to the head.

 

jk, its actually gonna be a 45 minute long climactic battle. 

 

:mellow:

 

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I would love if the most of the actual battle to be cut out, just to see the tears and disappointment of the fans who were expecting more from a PJ Tolkien film  :devil:  

 

Not really. I'm actually looking forward to it.



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New trailer is up!

 

 

 

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I'm a huge Tolkein fan, but I respect what PJ has tried to do with the Hobbit films. To be honest the original book never really jived with the more serious tone of the trilogy(Because it was written earlier and started as a bedtime story for his children as I hear it), and he's going for something a bit more... Serious. Not that I like everything he's done with it. I could certainly do without that romance subplot for starters and the CGI... I actually wasn't bothered by it in the first two LotR movies. The third, I forgave, but the orcs here just don't look good...

Any sign of the Blue Mountain dwarves? I haven't seen any in the trailer. Unless I mistook them for something else...