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[TheRealJayDee]

I definitely have to admire how absolutely unquestionable Jackson's priorities were in making this adaptation.

 

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I mean, anyone else would have probably just taken this

 

 

 

directly from the book, but Jackson understood that to make the best adaptation possible he needed to leave behind the clearly flawed source material and put a bigger emphasis on things that really moved the story forward and elevated the whole movie towards new artistic heights. And I thank him for that, because how much richer has Middle-earth become now that we got more of this

 

 

Seriously, I'm just glad it's over now, so that I can finally start leaving the whole thing behind. All in all the trilogy has become one of my biggest movie disappointments ever, going from a decent first movie to an imo mostly abysmal second one and now TBOTFA. I wanted to love the movies, and when I started realizing that I'd probably never be able to do that I began lowering my expectations further and further so that I might at least somewhat enjoy them, and Jackson and Co still managed to make me sad and angry with their changes, additions and cuts. 

 

"Why does it hurt so much?"

 

"Because it was real."

 

Yeah, exactly...      

 

Edit: Okay, I suppsoe I might calm down a little, soon. I'll watch an Extended Edition trilogy marathon next year and see how that'll go then. I heard DOS was much improved, and TBOTFA should be as well.

[TheLittleBird]

I just saw this movie.

 

Wow. Wow. What the hell happened to...

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Beorn. Okay, wtf. Who in their right mind would underuse Beorn like that? I... well that's disappointing.

 

I had a lot of fun, but this is not the third part of a trilogy. It's the third part, or 'act', if you will, of a Hobbit movie marathon. It works so much better that way.

[TheLittleBird]

It's weird that PJ who likes big-ass things killing other things didn't go for Beorn just wrecking everything around him.

 

KilixTauriel was a waste of good movie time and script.

 

I swear, not even the writers liked the idea.

 

"You make me feel alive."

 

That line just kills me inside. You could have used lines from the Appendices with Arwen and Aragorn... just ANYTHING, but that?

 

Was I watching a romance flick for 12 year olds or what?

 

*sigh* Sorry I get moody around the romance subject.

 

I loved the movie though. Watched it four times.

 

"Why does it hurt so much?"

"Because it was real."

 

Oh come on I don't need a lesson on love.

 

The Battle was amazing, though. And I say amazing... because it doesn't feel right to use the word epic. Oh, don't get me wrong, I loved it... but something about it didn't quite match the feeling of the battles in Return of the King. Maybe it's because of the CGI. Or maybe it's because it didn't feel... weighty? As in, there was a lot of woosh-wish-wash-woosh going on with the weapons but they never seemed to truly convey any sort of impact. Like in the Lord of the Rings, when Legolas shot that Mumakil in the head... it felt real, as if it were actually happening. When here someone stabbed a troll or an orc or whatever it was more like: "Oh look the troll's now dead. Did you feel that hit? No? Yeah me neither."

 

I do hope someone understands what I'm trying to say here because I can't even understand myself at times.

 

I'm still trying to decide on whether or not it seems like a good idea to actually split it into 3 movies instead of 2. For one, it does feel like 2 movies would have each either be too long or a little crowded. But on the other hand... this did feel like Desolation of Smaug Part 2, or a 3rd Act of a bigger movie. So again, it seems like it'd be much better to just watch during a Hobbit-movie marathon.

[TheLittleBird]

Wish we saw more of the battle than the err... recon mission from Thorin and company.

 

Speaking Thorin and company. Best part of the film for me?

 

When that wall broke and everybody rallied to Thorin, and that music, jesus christ, if there's anything NEAR to the Charge of Rohan it's that.

 

Haha yeah it did feel like it was supposed to be a 'charge of the Rohirrim' moment. Not that it wasn't great, though.

 

I liked the whole recon/assassination-mission that Thorin and the others had going on, but after that the Battle felt... I don't know, it felt like it was over too quickly. Bam Eagles and that's it. Sure, the Eagles save everything but can they at least be an actual part of the battle instead of being presented as a deus ex machina? The whole Beorn-thing ties into that as well.

 

As for the battle... yeah, no gore bothered me. Guess they wanted to keep sh*t at 12 rating.

 

See when Fili is killed? No blood on Azog's sword. And yeah, that's the 12 rating. PJ has got a great eye for detail so he wouldn't miss that.

 

CGI didn't bother me. PJ uses sets better than any other, so it's true, even for the amount of CGI he used in the Hobbit it's far less than say, Avatar.

 

Yeah it was probably the whole gore-thing. There's this scene when Thranduil (really liked him in the movie, by the way) finds himself surrounded and I thought I was in for an epic fight... but then his blades went woosh-whish-whoosh and it became quite a big disappointment.

 

One thing I really need to address, though. Why does Peter Jackson always give Legolas these crazy stunts that look impossible? I mean, I'm one of the people that aren't bothered at all with his shield-surfing in Two Towers but I kind of laughed when he did... what he did in this movie. I don't even know how to describe it. Running on.. falling stones? Defying gravity? Whatever, something like that.

 

Speaking of Lord of the Rings... some of the ties to the original trilogy bothered me a lot more than they did in the first and second movie. That whole Strider-thing... please. That.. just... c'mon. That came out of nowhere.

I just saw a review of the movie where someone complained about the Auction-scene being there because "it makes no sense". I laughed. 

 

1) That scene was awesome.

2) That was actually in the book :/

 

 

Nah, two movies would have been a disaster.

 

And no, 45minute cartoon of the Hobbit wasn't a masterpiece. Get ticked off when people say that.

 

Tolkien was more 'tell don't show' kind of writer. You know that whole Auction business? It's only like four lines in the book.

 

Ironically, this movie needed to be longer. Flesh out some scenes a bit.

 

You could be right about that. Tolkien really was a "tell don't show"-kind of writer. Which is actually what annoyed me a bit about the books when I first started reading them. Doesn't bother me now but as someone who grew up on the Harry Potter-books (talk about detail) I did have to get used to it.

 

They really could've fleshed out the Dol Guldur-stuff. I'm not an expert on the Dol Guldur-storyline but I was expecting more. Now it just felt a bit like a weird filler-scene that gives more ties to the Lord of the Rings-trilogy. 

[TheLittleBird]

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[TheRealJayDee]

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[RobRam10]

 

[Isichar]

I'm suppose to be going to see this next week with my dad.

 

I'd be lying if I said I was excited.

[Isichar]

But Tolkien doesn't go into details about how an Orc army wiped out a kingdom.

 

The same orcs from the hobbit and LotR? Geeze I'd be surprised if an entire army could wipe out a fishing village let alone a kingdom. Those guys can't fight worth a damn.

[Isichar]

That's because in the Silmarillion they have like 10 dragons behind them and 4 Balrogs.

 

Seriously dude, Silmarillion is like the Berserk of Tolkein, I wasn't kidding.

 

Plus you have HOUR.

 

You know what HOUR did?

 

That mofo be like Gatts.

 

HE TOOK OUT 80 TROLLS whilst covering for the retreat into Gondolin.

 

And not just any trolls, like a personal guard or some sh*t.

 

God, the Silmarillion would make a f*cking awesome manga.

 

I bought it for my sister a while back. I might have to borrow it from her sometime.

[Isichar]

I know that feel.

 

But probably for completely different reasons xD

 

My Dad just well... he talks my head in -.-

 

I'm a quiet guy irl.

 

I'm usually quiet when watching a movie or show save for the odd comment here and there after something big. I started watching GoT with a buddy a while back and he wouldn't shut up, drove me freaking nuts.

 

Whitewalkers would do some crazy **** onscreen and he would miss it all cause he'd be talking about what he had for dinner.

 

My dad actually really enjoyed the 2nd Hobbit movie, I couldn't bare to tell him I thought it was dreadful. We've had a tradition of seeing them all together since the start of LotR so I figure may as well keep with that tradition finish this one off.

[AventuroLegendary]

The same orcs from the hobbit and LotR? Geeze I'd be surprised if an entire army could wipe out a fishing village let alone a kingdom. Those guys can't fight worth a damn.

 

The Orcs (as in the main, big bad armies) actually tend to do fine without the presence of the main cast. Sort of like Stormtroopers.

 

Seriously, Silmarillion could pass as a Berserk if it wanted to with all its death and destruction.

 

But Tolkien doesn't go into details about how an Orc army wiped out a kingdom.

 

I'd imagine that Orcs would not be above committing every single atrocity in the book. I shudder to think how Tolkien could have made the descriptions more graphic. The Simarillion, in that regard, could pass as Hellsing.

 

[TheLittleBird]

Eagles would've have kicked serious ass anyway. I think they do the same thing in the book too. Just like, seriously kick ass and win for everything.

 

Oh, they do. But in the book, it is said that even with the Eagles, they find themselves outnumbered and the real deus ex machina is Beorn, who completely wrecks the goblin/orc ranks before carrying Thorin to safety (after he was mortally wounded) and then coming back, "his wrath doubled", and just annihilates Bolg and his personal guard- because of course, in the book Azog was already long dead.

 

It's weird, though, how PJ has decided to divide the attention between characters. Thorin seems more and more like the main character, while Bilbo is just there (I guess this is sort of true of Aragorn and Frodo, respectively, as well in their movies). Legolas and Thranduil get a lot of attention, which I don't really have a problem with. Same with Bard. He really deserved a bit more than he got in the book.

 

But then there's Alfrid. Ugh. The only good thing I can say about Alfrid is that he didn't reach Jar Jar Binks levels of annoyance. But he was pretty close. C'mon, PJ... why the focus on Alfrid? Why does he have to be the person interacting with Bard a lot of the time, especially on the shores of the Lake? The Master did a fine job there in the book, and he'd have been fine for it in the movie as well. Then you don't have to focus on some dumb character in Dale either. Don't get me started on his final scene in the movie.
 

Like you said before, Sim, TaurielxKili was a waste of time. I really liked Tauriel, but their romance could've been given up in favour of fleshing out characters from the book. Like Beorn, who was severely underused, as I said before. Or hell, even make the Lord of the Eagles a character. The dragon talks... so why can't he? Could immediately have shut up the "Why didn't they just fly them all the way to the Mountain?"-complaints that I've read online as well. Because there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for it in the book.

 

Speaking of the battle, I'm slightly impressed with Azog being a competent Orc general and isn't just "waarrggghhhhh" wish the whole thing was more clever though.

 

Started out with good formation etc etc... then just hell broke loose.

 

Guess that's war xD

 

I don't know.

 

I'm just sitting on my ass and watching porn most of the day.

 

Oh, that's true. I loved the use of that flag to convey signals for the various parts of the army... but the battle quickly turned into "Hey, look at what I invented! TROLL CATAPULTS. TROLL BATTERING RAMS. TROLLS EVERYTHING." Whoa, PJ, relax. Somehow I really liked Dain, though.

 

Really? That bothered you? Thought it was a nice touch.

 

But then again, how the **** does Thrandruil know Arathorn?

 

Well... Elves and sh*t.

 

That reviewer was dumb. Lots of reviewers try to be negative to sound smart lol.

 

Well...

 

see, here we have a moment between Legolas and his dad, and it's supposed to be some sort of goodbye that really shows off the 'end' of their relationship in the trilogy. But it's completely overshadowed by this:

 

"Hey dad, I'm off. I don't know where to though."

"Go North. Visit the Dunedain. There is this kid, Aragorn, who I think will be awesome. He's ten by the way but whatever." (Yes, I just Googled the timeline and wikipedia says Aragorn should be 10 during he Battle of Five Armies).

 

But... how? I mean, Thranduil could have just turned straight to the camera and gone: "You know, the guy that becomes king in The Return of the King, THAT MOVIE THAT WON LIKE 11 OSCARS." Might as well. Completely took me out of the movie, and it felt weird because as far as I know, Legolas never really came into contact with Aragorn pre-Fellowship. So it makes zero sense to me.
I've always understood the complaints about the ties to the LotR-trilogy, but I found those to be nicely done, for the most part. The mention of Gimli in DoM felt like it could happen, Legolas being there is understandable considering his home and dad are there as well, and the scene with Bilbo and Frodo at the start of AUJ was actually quite great. But this... it's like PJ wasn't even trying.

 

Oh and the complaint in question was that Hobbits were "supposed to be nice" and stuff. Guess they never really heard of the Sackville-Bagginses, hahaha. Or maybe they didn't read the book - or just forgot about the auction. But I'm really glad they put it into the movie. I was kind of fearing they'd do what they did to the return to the Shire in RotK and completely skip over it, basically. Glad to see they didn't, because it made for a great Bilbo scene. Which the movie didn't have enough of anyway.

 

EE will be better. EE is always the true format of the films.

 

That's why if you watch anything but EE after the theatrical release you're a dirty casual 

 

I've always been conflicted on the Extended Editions. It's like: "Now you can watch the totally better movie on your crappy television screen instead of that awesome movie theatre!" :/ Oh well. Of course I'll watch it.

I'm not sure I'll watch this movie without watching DoM right before it, though. To me it just feels like I should to get more out of it. But maybe I'll just put on certain scenes because I feel like watching them. I'm looking at you, Helm's Deep 

 

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Gonna emphasise that I loved the movie. In fact, I love all six films more than my arteries. But who doesn't love something/somebody who they could b*tch about for literally 24 hours? 

 

Oh, I did too. I love all of those movies in their own right. It's the reason I criticize parts of them in the first place. If I didn't, I wouldn't care at all.

But I think I enjoyed this movie the least out of all of them upon first viewing, I gotta say. Which isn't bad at all, considering I still enjoyed it a lot. 

[ME_Fan]

Saw it last night. Awesome movie! Deviated a lot from the book yes but I enjoyed it a lot as a fan of the book. It's great how they take things that have a single waved off mention in the book and incorporate them and represent them in the world. The wereworms were cool!

 

Haters gonna hate. But I don't think anyone else really could have done a better job at adapting the book.