Yeah, Leliana's crisis point reaction could have just been to walk away in disgust. Having a rogue try to solo 3 other people was just suicide. Wynne doesn't fight you over the ashes right? She just leaves, if I remember right.
If Wynne is present, she will also attack. She only leaves if you tell her about it in camp.
So if i executed loghain in the landsmeet, will he stay dead or will we see him in DA: I. I hope choices will be respected and BW doesnt do another Leliana
I'd hope so - but if not, I want to be able to firstly tell him off and secondly kill him (again!) right after...fuckin' traitor!
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+1I'd hope so - but if not, I want to be able to firstly tell him off and secondly kill him (again!) right after...fuckin' traitor!
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I think both Loghain and Alistair will stay dead if they were at the end of DAO, simply to validate the sacrifice endings. You can claim a miracle or a bad casualty report for Leliana and Oghren, but you can't change the history of who killed the archdemon. If neither Loghain nor Alistair was involved in the archdemon thing, I doubt they'd stay dead if the writers wanted them later, but this way it's pretty final.
I think both Loghain and Alistair will stay dead if they were at the end of DAO, simply to validate the sacrifice endings. You can claim a miracle or a bad casualty report for Leliana and Oghren, but you can't change the history of who killed the archdemon. If neither Loghain nor Alistair was involved in the archdemon thing, I doubt they'd stay dead if the writers wanted them later, but this way it's pretty final.
This would mess everything up for me, but I half expect it to happen... Alistair could be freed by Eamon's soldiers offscreen before he could be executed. In that case I'd need to set up my Keep file so that Loghain is killed and Alistair killed the Archdemon.
Is there a way for Loghain and Alistair to both survive the Landsmeet, but have Alistair kill the Archdemon anyway? I think it might be impossible...
either way if he stays alive after ourwarden drove the sword through him, there are going to be some angry pplThis would mess everything up for me, but I half expect it to happen... Alistair could be freed by Eamon's soldiers offscreen before he could be executed. In that case I'd need to set up my Keep file so that Loghain is killed and Alistair killed the Archdemon.
Is there a way for Loghain and Alistair to both survive the Landsmeet, but have Alistair kill the Archdemon anyway? I think it might be impossible...
Either Loghain or Alistair would be choice, can't have both. Though it is possible for them both to live. Cast Alistair out, and recruit Loghain, then sacrifice yourself or do the OGB.This would mess everything up for me, but I half expect it to happen... Alistair could be freed by Eamon's soldiers offscreen before he could be executed. In that case I'd need to set up my Keep file so that Loghain is killed and Alistair killed the Archdemon.
Is there a way for Loghain and Alistair to both survive the Landsmeet, but have Alistair kill the Archdemon anyway? I think it might be impossible...
Hm... too bad. I'll have to violate my favored outcome (Loghain kills the Archdemon) just to avoid a retcon or... eh... well, let's just call it offscreen shenanigans to be diplomatic. Too bad I can't know in advance what the writers have planned... I mean, if I do it the normal way, expecting Alistair to be dead, then he shows up halfway through the game explaining his miraculous eleventh hour rescue, I'd have to restart. I dunno if I want to take that risk...
Either Loghain or Alistair would be choice, can't have both. Though it is possible for them both to live. Cast Alistair out, and recruit Loghain, then sacrifice yourself or do the OGB.
I can't take the risk of Alistair becoming king. Unfortunately this is only guaranteed if he's dead.
edit: Now that I think about it, I guess that if Loghain is going to die anyway, it's pretty much the same outcome... I can live with letting Alistair do the ultimate sacrifice.
or u could do the evil sex. that works too lol.Either Loghain or Alistair would be choice, can't have both. Though it is possible for them both to live. Cast Alistair out, and recruit Loghain, then sacrifice yourself or do the OGB.
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or u could do the evil sex. that works too lol.
LOL. Evil sex. Treacherous traitor of treachery. I get it now. You only like boring characters that are based on white/black morality.
I fail to see why people killed Loghain unless they really have to.
I mean, I only killed him if my Cousland wishes to take the throne and stay Alistair's friend because then, it is either a choice of sparing Loghain and turning Alistair into a drunkard. It makes no sense to put Alistair in that position as he has not actually done anything bad or backstabbed the Warden, unlike Loghain.
If that is not the case, I always spared Loghain. Not out of pity but out of practicality. As a Warden, he is a dead man anyway. He will die a worse fate than being slain in a duel in a Landsmeet. Simultaneously, he will have to live with and deal with Orlesian Wardens and fight darkspawn.
He suffers much more as a Warden and he is much more useful as a Warden as opposed to being a killed in the Landsmeet.
Oh people and their sentimentality....
Well, I don't prefer to kill him, but he dies killing the Archdemon regardless. My Warden certainly isn't going to sacrifice himself... at least this way Loghain dies a hero.
Gaider said that if Loghain felt the battle could be won, he would've charged.
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
I fail to see why people killed Loghain unless they really have to.
I mean, I only killed him if my Cousland wishes to take the throne and stay Alistair's friend because then, it is either a choice of sparing Loghain and turning Alistair into a drunkard. It makes no sense to put Alistair in that position as he has not actually done anything bad or backstabbed the Warden, unlike Loghain.
If that is not the case, I always spared Loghain. Not out of pity but out of practicality. As a Warden, he is a dead man anyway. He will die a worse fate than being slain in a duel in a Landsmeet. Simultaneously, he will have to live with and deal with Orlesian Wardens and fight darkspawn.
He suffers much more as a Warden and he is much more useful as a Warden as opposed to being a killed in the Landsmeet.
Oh people and their sentimentality....
Simple
1. don't like him
2. don't trust him
3. justice
4. PROFIT!
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
...Certainly glad you weren't leading our Battalion back in Kabul...Custer
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
I think this tvtrope page sums up your opinion on this matter then:
http://tvtropes.org/...norBeforeReason
Simple
1. don't like him
2. don't trust him
3. justice
4. PROFIT!
Yep. Sometimes the simple reason is the best one.
Pretty sure he's dead as a doornail for you, Magebane. I don't know if they're planning something later for the other plot-armor characters, but with the sacrifice and all, Al and Loghain are at least done and done. One of my pet theories is that Theirin blood will be important later and someone with the bloodline will surface at some point, but it doesn't have to be Alistair. Maric wasn't known for his iron will and there's no knowing if there are cousins or something around. We'll see it again.
I'm really hoping to wrap up a few loose ends this time around and it looks promising.
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
It's much braver to live for your country, so you can make sure the other guy dies for his.
as for loghain betraying Cailin to his death.
Merik made Loghain swear to him to defend Feralden regardless who was in danger.
rules of warfare:
1: unless you as king are a competent tactician, listen to your generals and let them lead the battle.
2: Chose your battlefield and make it your own. Failure to do so will cost you victory or make your victory very costly.
where Cailin lost his life of his own doing was not chosen it was just where he said they were going to fight them. He did so with out consorting with his generals and even refused Loghain's word when he said it would fail.
Loghain was loyal to FEralden, so was The Usurper King Cailin. The only difference between the two, is Loghain was no fool and Cailin certainly was.
had Loghain followed Cailin's plan. then there would have been no army later on when the old god came callin and all that would be is a rag tag squad trying to break the hordes of Darkspawn with only loose nit allies.
Say what you want that Loghain is a traitor, but Cailin was a pompous fool with wet pipe dreams of grandeur.
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
Well that's a very Romanticized sentiment if I've ever seen one.
Let's lead thousands upon thousands of men to their death because of HONOR in a hopeless battle when... hey... we can pull out, regroup, try again and come away victorious.
Saying such things about how a person should fight regardless of what transpires in a battle ignores what it means to be a real leader, if you ask me. Sometimes you have to make a tactical retreat.
wow ur love for loghain holds no bounds, perhaps u forgot the things that hapless lunatic did. Selling elves, attempted asassination of eamon and ur damn WARDEN, leaving the battlefield and blaming the defeat on the wardens, labelling them traitors and u still side with him over Alistair a loyal friend who didnt even try to scratch u. i mean holy crap.as for loghain betraying Cailin to his death.
Merik made Loghain swear to him to defend Feralden regardless who was in danger.
rules of warfare:
1: unless you as king are a competent tactician, listen to your generals and let them lead the battle.
2: Chose your battlefield and make it your own. Failure to do so will cost you victory or make your victory very costly.
where Cailin lost his life of his own doing was not chosen it was just where he said they were going to fight them. He did so with out consorting with his generals and even refused Loghain's word when he said it would fail.
Loghain was loyal to FEralden, so was The Usurper King Cailin. The only difference between the two, is Loghain was no fool and Cailin certainly was.
had Loghain followed Cailin's plan. then there would have been no army later on when the old god came callin and all that would be is a rag tag squad trying to break the hordes of Darkspawn with only loose nit allies.
Say what you want that Loghain is a traitor, but Cailin was a pompous fool with wet pipe dreams of grandeur.
And tactical lying by blaming the wardens and ofcourse he has the tactical nous of selling elves, lets not forget his tactical attempt of assassination of eamon. Oh he was so tactical and smart that he allied with the biggest s.o.b. in the game.Well that's a very Romanticized sentiment if I've ever seen one.
Let's lead thousands upon thousands of men to their death because of HONOR in a hopeless battle when... hey... we can pull out, regroup, try again and come away victorious.
Saying such things about how a person should fight regardless of what transpires in a battle ignores what it means to be a real leader, if you ask me. Sometimes you have to make a tactical retreat.
Doesn't matter if it can be won, you fight for your country and you die for your country.
Your being alive to post this says to me that you don't actually believe it...
What are you smoking over there behind ur pc?as for loghain betraying Cailin to his death.
Merik made Loghain swear to him to defend Feralden regardless who was in danger.
rules of warfare:
1: unless you as king are a competent tactician, listen to your generals and let them lead the battle.
2: Chose your battlefield and make it your own. Failure to do so will cost you victory or make your victory very costly.
where Cailin lost his life of his own doing was not chosen it was just where he said they were going to fight them. He did so with out consorting with his generals and even refused Loghain's word when he said it would fail.
Loghain was loyal to FEralden, so was The Usurper King Cailin. The only difference between the two, is Loghain was no fool and Cailin certainly was.
had Loghain followed Cailin's plan. then there would have been no army later on when the old god came callin and all that would be is a rag tag squad trying to break the hordes of Darkspawn with only loose nit allies.
Say what you want that Loghain is a traitor, but Cailin was a pompous fool with wet pipe dreams of grandeur.
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