What I saw was a grown up man that couldn't accept the fact he wasn't gonna see Loghain's head on a spike. He was willing to abandon Ferelden and the Grey Wardens, just because he didn't get his way.
He was acting like an immature brat. I can tell you that Duncan was roliing over in his grave.
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Err excuse me, how many times do i have to repeat that cailan was a fool.
That was a military decision. But.....that was also treason. Im sorry, but i hate traitors. Maybe hating traitors is a bad thing in your country but not mine.
It wasn't treason. It was a general doing his job, which is to protect his nation the best he can. Cailan turned himself into collateral damage in that scenario, because... "Glorious!"
There was another guy who said that loghain had things spot on and he was only " unfortunate". Indeed the archdemon was lmfao- ing because this man was seemingly ready to hand fereldan to the blight rather than orlais. One wud assume he already is tainted lolNo one is defending his crimes after Ostagar. Retreating from Ostagar wasn't a crime. That was a military decision. But your head is far up somewhere that you refuse to recognize it.
Cutting his head off certainly isn't just. It's certainly justifiable, especially as a city elf. But it isn't just.
I see were you're coming from, but I can't agree that killing him at the Landsmeet can't be called justice.
To you perhaps, what i saw was a man who was looking to get justice for his father(duncan was like one). There is NOTHING wrong in it. Infact ot was the right thing to do.What I saw was a grown up man that couldn't accept the fact he wasn't gonna see Loghain's head on a spike. He was willing to abandon Ferelden and the Grey Wardens, just because he didn't get his way.
He was acting like an immature brat. I can tell you that Duncan was roliing over in his grave.
I don't like Loghain and I plan to have him dead in all my playthoughs, but I would not get this heated over him.
Alistair is the one who throws a fit and abandons you.
Oh god I hate this.
He does this after you pretty much tell him you don't give a damn about his feelings and to suck it up and deal with it. And that point he's had enough. He leaves probably because he wouldn't be able to resist attacking Loghain and disrupting the group. You made his choice for him and he very very clearly tells you what's going to happen. If you recruit Loghain despite that you pretty much told him to **** himself and you don't value him over someone who tried to kill you constantly and blame his failures on you. Alistair doesn't see being a warden as a punishment so the whole "I want him to suffer." thing means crap to him. (True or not).
He doesn't abandon you anymore than Morrigan bouncing after you refuse the DR does.
To you perhaps, what i saw was a man who was looking to get justice for his father(duncan was like one). There is NOTHING wrong in it. Infact ot was the right thing to do.
If you didnt notice that....what you refer to as immature man was supporting you heart and soul. Unlike wynne and leliana, he does not attack you if you defile the ashes, despite his indoc. in the chantry. If you didnt notice Loghain was trying to kill you the whole game. But ofcourse ppl like traitorous mass killers, not loyal frnds nowadays.
Yeah he's loyal alright - until he doesn't get his way.
Its just not about him. What about everything wrong he did? Isnt it unfair for them? What wrong have they done to deserve that?I don't like Loghain and I plan to have him dead in all my playthoughs, but I would not get this heated over him.
Oh god I hate this.
He does this after you pretty much tell him you don't give a damn about his feelings and to suck it up and deal with it. And that point he's had enough. He leaves probably because he wouldn't be able to resist attacking Loghain and disrupting the group. You made his choice for him and he very very clearly tells you what's going to happen. If you recruit Loghain despite that you pretty much told him to **** himself and you don't value him over someone who tried to kill you constantly and blame his failures on you. Alistair doesn't see being a warden as a punishment so the whole "I want him to suffer." thing means crap to him. (True or not).
He doesn't abandon you anymore than Morrigan bouncing after you refuse the DR does.
I remember this thread on the old BSN Where Gaider himself said this very same point. It caused a lot of commotion.
He doesn't abandon you anymore than Morrigan bouncing after you refuse the DR does.
As a Grey Warden, Alistair had a responsibility to do whatever he could to help stop the Blight. He failed in that regard. Morrigan had no such obligation, other than the one placed upon her by her mother.
Execution was justice, but if it was possible i wud have kept him long enough for him to see his daughter be a slave in the alienage with the elves having their way with her. Then i wud send him to the children for judgement. Now that, i agree wud be vengeance.
No one who truly believed in justice would want this.
He sucks in what the warden does to the ashes. Leliana and wynne attacks. we must remember he grew up in the chantry. But he restrains himself. This i think shows how much he is loyal to you. If i only had such a buddy, i wud try to keep such a friend.Oh god I hate this.
He does this after you pretty much tell him you don't give a damn about his feelings and to suck it up and deal with it. And that point he's had enough. He leaves probably because he wouldn't be able to resist attacking Loghain and disrupting the group. You made his choice for him and he very very clearly tells you what's going to happen. If you recruit Loghain despite that you pretty much told him to **** himself and you don't value him over someone who tried to kill you constantly and blame his failures on you. Alistair doesn't see being a warden as a punishment so the whole "I want him to suffer." thing means crap to him. (True or not).
He doesn't abandon you anymore than Morrigan bouncing after you refuse the DR does.
Its just not about him. What about everything wrong he did? Isnt it unfair for them? What wrong have they done to deserve that?
Theres sth called justice which must be done. Execution was justice, but if it was possible i wud have kept him long enough for him to see his daughter be a slave in the alienage with the elves having their way with her. Then i wud send him to the children for judgement. Now that, i agree wud be vengeance.
See, the bold is what I'm talking about. I would not wish any of this. Killing Loghian in-front of Anora is fine as far as justice is concerned, but that other crap is insane.
As a Grey Warden, Alistair had a responsibility to do whatever he could to help stop the Blight. He failed in that regard. Morrigan had no such obligation, other than the one placed upon her by her mother.
And you pretty much gave him permission to leave after recruiting a guy where said he'd leave if was recruited and doing it anyway. "You have Loghain now you don't need me." Not to mention the warden is hardly a warden commander with their rules and regulations at that point (being 1 of 2 doesn't make you lead unless the other person gives you lead). If anything the warden betrays him first. I'm not sure why that's brushed aside but Alistair's betrayal is seen as some grand injustice.
That's not abandonment. That's you saying "I don't care if you leave" and him going "Fine."
That and the wardens can ditch the Wardens (lol punny fun) in most endings but I guess that's okay cause...PC snowflake status right?
Killing someone in front of their own daughter.
So much justice.
Execution is justice. I mean c'mon man seriously that guy ended or ruined many innocent lives. I held my self back but what wud you do if someone kills somebody close to you. Would you go and say, "Hey, i know you killed somebody close to me but guess what since im impressed by your skills i want to recruit you in my company. We need ppl like you." I know i wudnt. First thing i wud look for is Capital PunishmentNo one who truly believed in justice would want this.
Killing someone in front of their own daughter.
So much justice.
Meh, Anora choose to be there to watch.
Meh, Anora choose to be there to watch.
You're kidding right?
I said clearly that it is Vengeance, just so ppl understood the difference. I was trying to give an example. It is extreme, i agree.See, the bold is what I'm talking about. I would not wish any of this. Killing Loghian in-front of Anora is fine as far as justice is concerned, but that other crap is insane.
Killing someone in front of their own daughter.
So much justice.
When that person has resulted in other people's daughters and children being killed by the darkspawn horde or enslaved by tevinters?
Yes I shall shed a solitary tear.
Not to mention the Landsmeet was his trial.
You're kidding right?
I like Anora as much as I like her dad, so getting to cover her in Loghain's blood is admittedly funny after her cute attempt at siding with him at the Landsmeet.
He sucks in what the warden does to the ashes. Leliana and wynne attacks. we must remember he grew up in the chantry. But he restrains himself. This i think shows how much he is loyal to you. If i only had such a buddy, i wud try to keep such a friend.
He pretty much takes it all til the Warden pretty much tells him "No I don't care about you over Loghain." and that's his breaking point.
I mean I could see all the whining if he didn't tell you he was going to leave before but that's exactly what he does.
Meh, Anora choose to be there to watch.
This. Now this is the same thing i said again and again and again.When that person has resulted in other people's daughters and children being killed by the darkspawn horde or enslaved by tevinters?
Yes I shall shed a solitary tear.
Not to mention the Landsmeet was his trial.
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