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[emaughan]

Human ship designs are SO stupid. They have awful firepower,bad shields,and bad hull. And why didn't they change their design after the battle of the citadel? They`re the exact same in all of them.

[Kabooooom]

Okay...Of everything that is valid to criticize about the story...this isn't.

[2girls1reaper]

He has a point though. Why didn't the humans make more normandy-style ships after the first one was so successful?

[KaiserShep]

I don't see what's so wrong with the design of the Alliance ships compared to the rest. Unlike the celestial abstract sculpture exhibit that the asari fly around in, or the giant wasps the geth seem to be fond of, they actually kinda look like spaceships.

 

 

He has a point though. Why didn't the humans make more normandy-style ships after the first one was so successful?

 

Ships such as the Normandy are exorbitantly expensive, not to mention that a ship such as this can't fulfill every role. The Alliance still needs cruisers, dreadnoughts and carriers, and the design principles of the Normandy simply can't be applied to them. They'd have to strip mine Thessia to produce even a few working examples.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They made one more.

[AlanC9]

At a minimum. There could have been several others for all we know.

[Excella Gionne]

The Normandy SR1 got blasted up pretty quickly. Doesn't disapprove of bad designs. That's why, I use Silaris Armor, Cyclonic Barriers, and Thanix cannons.

[SporkFu]

I always wondered how the collectors found the SR-1. I think Pressly was a mole, and that datapad you find on Alchera that shows his changing attitude towards aliens was just part of his cover. 

[Excella Gionne]

I always wondered how the collectors found the SR-1. I think Pressly was a mole, and that datapad you find on Alchera that shows his changing attitude towards aliens was just part of his cover. 

Pressly was mole? No wonder the Collectors killed him, it was to tie up loose ends. Everythin' makes sense now. No wonder he was betting his money on "slavers."

[KrrKs]

Out of the 4 (?) (known to us) used ship designs in the MEU, human ships are the ones that best fit their intended purpose under lore restrictions.

Turian design is a close second, but WTF are these wings for? And their fighter design is moronic, if you want to put a large Mass accelerator on it.

Besides, you can't just change the (design of) your entire fleet in less than 3 years.

 

Has anyone an Idea where the op got the bit about bad weapons/shields/hull from?

[KaiserShep]

I always wondered how the collectors found the SR-1. I think Pressly was a mole, and that datapad you find on Alchera that shows his changing attitude towards aliens was just part of his cover.

Spirits. It all makes sense.

[katamuro]

Well first of all the SR-1 was a completely new, untested yet design in 2183 and it was so expensive that it was giving butthurt to some admirals.

Second the reason to have ships of the same design is to cheaper their production as well as increase the ability to repair them and ease of construction. So considering that what we saw were cruisers most of the time, standardized to fulfil several roles and basically acting as a backbone of the entire fleet then no one in their right mind would exchange that for an untested frigate design main point of which was stealth not battle prowess. And the whole inferiority was against Reapers not the ships of other species, after all they were built to fight against the species with comparable technology like batarians and geth rather than unknown yet Reaper threat. 

Third, refitting the shipyards to produce a new type of ship would have taken longer and cost so much that it was much easier simply to produce the same ships since after all in the battle of the citadel the fleet lost 8 cruisers against the Sovereign plus whatever losses the citadel fleet itself suffered. So considering they lost 8 cruisers in a fight against a super-dreadnought class ship like Sovereign and a sizeable armada of geth ships I would say they really did not think there was any need apart from improving weapons like they were supposed to have with the thanix cannon. 

Why we did not see any of that? I dont know. 

[Fixers0]

Alliance cruiser are good enough to blow a reaper's leg of it's body.

[emaughan]

I don't see what's so wrong with the design of the Alliance ships compared to the rest. Unlike the celestial abstract sculpture exhibit that the asari fly around in, or the giant wasps the geth seem to be fond of, they actually kinda look like spaceships.

 

 

 

Ships such as the Normandy are exorbitantly expensive, not to mention that a ship such as this can't fulfill every role. The Alliance still needs cruisers, dreadnoughts and carriers, and the design principles of the Normandy simply can't be applied to them. They'd have to strip mine Thessia to produce even a few working examples.

 

 

Yes, but they stuck with the SAME ship design for 3 years.

[JasonShepard]

Yes, but they stuck with the SAME ship design for 3 years.

 

Er... We've stuck with the same battleship design for much longer than that. Your average aircraft carrier is expected to be in service for decades. 3 years is SHORT.

 

 

I always wondered how the collectors found the SR-1. I think Pressly was a mole, and that datapad you find on Alchera that shows his changing attitude towards aliens was just part of his cover. 

 

Huh. I hadn't actually considered the mole possibility. I'd just assumed they had some way of detecting an active mass effect drive.

 

Though, as ships navigator, Pressly would be the PERFECT mole. If you want to find out where the ship is, ask the person who gave it directions...

[emaughan]

Er... We've stuck with the same battleship design for much longer than that. Your average aircraft carrier is expected to be in service for decades. 3 years is SHORT.

 

 

 

Huh. I hadn't actually considered the mole possibility. I'd just assumed they had some way of detecting an active mass effect drive.

 

Though, as ships navigator, Pressly would be the PERFECT mole. If you want to find out where the ship is, ask the person who gave it directions...

 

No, we`ve upgraded our battleships with lasers (only one)

railguns, and better armor.And they are at a higher tech so thus they should advance in tech quicker. Anyways, the geth attacking the citadel gave them a lot of tech.

so them sticking with the paper armor ships is highly illogical.

[JasonShepard]

No, we`ve upgraded our battleships with lasers (only one)

railguns, and better armor.And they are at a higher tech so thus they should advance in tech quicker. Anyways, the geth attacking the citadel gave them a lot of tech.

so them sticking with the paper armor ships is highly illogical.

 

You can't build an entirely new fleet in the space of three years. (Or, at least, you can't in the real world. Economics in the MEU are entirely speculative, but military spending has always been at the top end of the budget, so I'm guessing it's the case there as well.) Not unless you're on a war footing and throwing everything into the military machine. The Alliance was not on a war footing between ME1 and ME3.

 

You can overhaul and refit your fleets in that period, though it would still be a significant investment. And the Alliance only really accepted the Reaper threat about a year beforehand (late ME2, around Arrival), so they'd have even less time to push things up a notch. The Alliance fleets were serviceable for the Geth War (and by serviceable, I mean kicked the Geth's ass at the Citadel before proceeding to take down Sovereign) and there was no particularly urgent need to refit them with new technology until they accepted the Reaper threat. (The Collectors were a threat, but big enough to demand that much spending. If the Collector Ship had gone up against a full fleet, it would have lost.) I'm pretty sure the Alliance War Assets mention refits.

 

So, all in all, I'm not surprised that the same Alliance ships are in service in ME3 as in ME1.

[emaughan]

You can't build an entirely new fleet in the space of three years. (Or, at least, you can't in the real world. Economics in the MEU are entirely speculative, but military spending has always been at the top end of the budget, so I'm guessing it's the case there as well.) Not unless you're on a war footing and throwing everything into the military machine. The Alliance was not on a war footing between ME1 and ME3.

 

You can overhaul and refit your fleets in that period, though it would still be a significant investment. And the Alliance only really accepted the Reaper threat about a year beforehand (late ME2, around Arrival), so they'd have even less time to push things up a notch. The Alliance fleets were serviceable for the Geth War (and by serviceable, I mean kicked the Geth's ass at the Citadel before proceeding to take down Sovereign) and there was no particularly urgent need to refit them with new technology until they accepted the Reaper threat. (The Collectors were a threat, but big enough to demand that much spending. If the Collector Ship had gone up against a full fleet, it would have lost.) I'm pretty sure the Alliance War Assets mention refits.

 

So, all in all, I'm not surprised that the same Alliance ships are in service in ME3 as in ME1.

 

 

 

As i`ve said before, the tech in the MEU is messed up. Maybe your right about Not having time. But they would have mass production tech so advanced they wouldnt have to worry (if the tech was realistic).

[KrrKs]

Upgrading or refitting ships does not change their appearance (significantly).

So even if all alliance ships got newer <system-name>, it would not be visible from the outside.

 

And I still don't know where the stuff about alliance ships being inferior comes from. Unless it is inferior to the reapers, in which case everything the galactic community has (in respect to ships and general technological level) is inferior.

 

Edit: The reapers technology is so far advance that the galactic powers just can't catch up within 3 years. The thanix is the most advanced weapon system, and it is a downscaled 'makeshift' version of the original.

 

Edit2:

But they would have mass production tech so advanced they wouldnt have to worry (if the tech was realistic).

Not necessarily. Ship building takes time, no matter how advanced your yard facilities are. Developing new ship design takes way more time.

And their yards were already busy replacing the 8 cruisers lost during the battle of the citadel.

-I believe there is a news post about this in ME2, stating that 4 (?) cruisers and a new Dreadnought or battleship have left the yards since then.

 

Edit3:

It seems i was mistaken on the last part, there is no mention of such a news-story on the wiki.

[Han Shot First]

He has a point though. Why didn't the humans make more normandy-style ships after the first one was so successful?

 

Because they needed more dreadnoughts and cruisers, which is what they did build. Ships like the Normandy aren't Reaper-killers. That the Normandy got the kill shot on Sovereign was only due to the fact that its shields had been brought down by Shepard's battle with Sovereign's avatar. Normally a frigate, even one as advanced at the Normandy, couldn't even put a dent in a Reaper. Dreadnoughts and crusers however, can. 

[themikefest]

Because they needed more dreadnoughts and cruisers, which is what they did build. Ships like the Normandy aren't Reaper-killers. That the Normandy got the kill shot on Sovereign was only due to the fact that its shields had been brought down by Shepard's battle with Sovereign's avatar. Normally a frigate, even one as advanced at the Normandy, couldn't even put a dent in a Reaper. Dreadnoughts and crusers however, can. 

Don't forget there were 2 fighters along side the SR1 that also fired at Sovereign. I would like to see the damage the SR2 could do to with the Thannix Cannon firing at a reaper from behind.

[Reorte]

I'd be amazed if a complete design for an entirely new class of ship got laid down in three years, let alone building lots of them. As technology advances every new design becomes more expensive and takes longer to see service, and that would still be the case even if the Alliance has somehow managed to not suffer from all the political interference that usually helps drag these things on forever.

[Fixers0]

Well, the Alliance did repaint all their ships from red/black stripes to blue stripes.

[Display Name Owner]

You mean because the Reapers destroyed so many of them? Doesn't everything have bad firepower, shields and hull compared to a Reaper? Everyone was getting pretty soundly trounced in ME3.

[Kabooooom]

OP, you still haven't explained where you got the opinions in your initial post from. Do you actually have codex entries that you can cite to support any of it?

Undoubtedly, Alliance ships are less advanced than Turian, Asari, and Salarian by virtue of humans only constructing them for a fraction of the time of the other species. But, you basically make a claim (Alliance ship design is soooooo dumb) with zero supporting evidence or reason why it is actually legitimately relevant to the story at all.