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[Icy Magebane]

So? It's not as if you have to play past games anymore - it's as simple as generating a new world state with the Keep.

I mean that killing Zevran or not entering the tavern and meeting Leliana are decisions that alter the flow of a single game... they have a big impact on DA:O, but at most you lose a cameo, side quest, or a line of dialogue in DA2.  By allowing a choice from DA:O to have an effect on which companions are available in DA:4 or 5, you're creating an unnecessarily specific link between games that are separated by several years (irl and on Thedas).  I just don't see it as the same thing as altering a single game's storyline... there should be some continuity between each game in the series, but that's going a bit far...

 

 

Let's be real here... people that don't want the OGB to be special argue because they disliked Morrigan and if the baby isn't some evil world breaker they'll be unsatisfied. Therefore everyone that did indeed go through with the Dark Ritual should deal with it being an irrelevancy. 

The truth behind the OGB is irrelevant.  IMO a full blown companion is too much of an impact on the game in question since the ritual isn't mandatory.

[Eveangaline]

Let's be real here... people that don't want the OGB to be special argue because they disliked Morrigan and if the baby isn't some evil world breaker they'll be unsatisfied. Therefore everyone that did indeed go through with the Dark Ritual should deal with it being an irrelevancy. 

 

I loved having a sisterly relationship with Morrigan (even if I didn't always trust her, I did quite like her) but most of my playthoughs don't have the OGB and I think it probably shouldn't be a big game changer because I always saw the decision as just a cheap "don't let my character or this character I like die" button and I don't want an obvious game mechanic to avoid fan whining shoved awkwardly into the story as something important. I realize you saw it differently and it's fine to want the OGB to be a big thing but it's silly to try and demonize people who saw it differently as just haters of a character.

 

"Being real" in this situation means admitting there may be tons of reasons someone can and does see things differently or have a differing opinion than you. Different taste, different interpretations on the ritual, different opinions on how the game in general should react to choices and how big any choice should get. Heck I've seen people say they turned down the ritual because they loved morrigan and thought it would lead her on a darker path, and wanted to continue the romance in witch hunt and tell her that.

[theskymoves]

Morrigan will join us for a quest and when we look in her inventory, we'll see a little boy.

 

Ah... just like good ol' Baldur's Gate. 

 

From this day forward, I will refer to the OGB as 'Boo'.

[Adaar the Unbound]

I think if he is alive in your save, you will har about or see him briefly since Morrigan will be a sorta big part of the game. I think we will learn stuff about it in that brief thing. Maybe its just Morrigan telling you about it, or her telling you about it with the kid in her arms or something.

[Vroom Vroom]

I think if he is alive in your save, you will har about or see him briefly since Morrigan will be a sorta big part of the game. I think we will learn stuff about it in that brief thing. Maybe its just Morrigan telling you about it, or her telling you about it with the kid in her arms or something.

Now that you mention it, we attend this Ball in Orlais in Inquisition and Morrigan is likely there (in fact, I think Bioware released a picture of her at that Ball), that would be the perfect place for them to stick the OGB in Inquisiton. You could just look over and see him, this well dressed ten year old boy, standing around looking bored because he is at a Ball.

[LOLandStuff]

I remember Morrigan not wanting her child exposed to the crazies of Thedas, and for good reasons. Bringing him along when the places tears itself apart has to be the dumbest thing a parent could do. And in Orlais, where everyone back-stabs each other while looking fashionable.

And Ariane not once mentioned Morrigan's kid.

[Eveangaline]

The writers could have come up with easier ways to save the Warden if they wanted to "avoid fan whining." Labeling the OGB as an "obvious game mechanic" that is "shoved awkwardly into the story" doesn't do Gaider or the character any justice.

It's a bit unfair to say that DarkKnight is "demonizing people" when you yourself seem to be adopting an equally extreme position, namely that the OGB should be deprived of all significance within the game, essentially relegated to a codex entry.

Why can't there be some middle ground ... isn't that what the Keep is for? i.e. to facilitate the creation of unique world-states so that these polarizing decisions can be accommodated?

I don't expect the OGB to be the savior of Thedas or anything, but it wouldn't too hard for Bioware to create a few cut scenes or quests which deal with the aftermath of the Dark Ritual. It wouldn't impinge upon your head-canon, provided that you take the time to use the Keep. And if you don't? Well, that's your fault.

I'm not demonizing people because I'm not claiming that the people who want something other than I want must just bitterly hate a character and want to be proven right. It's not his wanting to have the OGB be important that is bad, it's claiming anyone who doesn't must just hate Morrigan. Do you understand the difference between saying "I have this opinion' and saying "well people who have opinion other than mine on this are doing it out of hate for a fictional character"

And I have repeatedly said in plenty of threads while I dislike the ritual I want a middle ground that doesn't deny too much content to either side, because I realize some interpreted the ritual vastly different than I did. And I haven't said otherwise in this thread.

Even I'm the post you're quoting I just say I want it to not be a big game changer, how on earth did you get the idea I objected to a few different cutscenes or character reactions or even a quest or two? As long as once side isn't given a boatload of extra content the other gets I don't mind. And where on earth did I say bioware was impinging on my headcanon? Are you mixing up my posts with someone elses?

[daveliam]

I think that the OGB just needs to be dealt with in some way since he's this big elephant in the room.  I don't think it's realistic to expect him to play a significant role (such as being an antagonist, companion, or driving force behind a major questline) since many (the majority?) of players won't even see him because they either didn't do the DR or didn't import a game.  However, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to be the focus of a side-quest in the game.  I personally don't see an issue at all with missing out on a side-quest series because of choices that I made.  I agree with the point that the longer they wait in the series, the further the two sides of the "debate" will go (the people who did the DR have anticipation building and the people who didn't are further and further from that decision so it loses its significance).  I hope that he is dealt with in some way in DA: I and I suspect that he will be.  It would be very odd to have a character in DA: I (Morrigan) who was significantly affected by a fairly major decision in DA: O and not reference the results of that decision in some way.  To be honest, I kind of hope that this decision is "put to bed" soon.  Let's find out that he doesn't have any powers, to Morrigan's frustration.  Let's see Flemeth abscond with him and disappear into the Eluvian.  Let's see the kid have to be "put down" to eliminate his threat.  Anything just to see this storyline resolved because it's divisive and, by nature of his optional status, can't be the focus of a major plot line anyway.

[Eveangaline]

Jesus Christ, chill out.

I'm not really sure how I came across as not chill? Long winded certainly but I'm hardly being aggressive. Do you think there might be a chance you are reading emotions and meanings into something that aren't actually there? Tone is always kind of a crapshoot in typed forums I guess, it's one of the easiest things to misread when you don't actually get to hear people talking.

 

 

Anyway, back to the actual topic of the thread. My actual predictions for what might happen with the kid if it exists? I haven't the foggiest. Could be anywhere from changing how a quest involving Old Gods works to changing if you can have happy endings for Morrigan in this game.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

The OGB is starting to ****** me off with all this controversy. All I want from him/her now (did Morrigan ever confirm gender?) is a sidequest that involves kicking him hilariously.

[Master Warder Z_]

Never did the ritual, this isn't much of a concern for me.

[Eveangaline]

The OGB is starting to ****** me off with all this controversy. All I want from him/her now (did Morrigan ever confirm gender?) is a sidequest that involves kicking him hilariously.

 

She confirmed the kids a boy if he exists.

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't read the posts if they annoy you. No one is forcing you to. Some of us performed the Dark Ritual and are interested in how it is going to be treated in-game.

 

You know what I get sick of? Fans constantly saying that they want to "murder-knife" Morrigan and "kick" her child. Don't be a dick.

 

I don't want to murder knife Morrigan again, i want the first attempt to actually be successful her living through it is an insult to the Murder Knife.

[Caja]

There are a lot of topic concerning whether or not the OGB will show up in a future DA game, or whether it is consider a major choice or "canonized" choice. However, the main purpose of this thread is to ask the curious question of: how do you want to see the OGB appear in-game?
Like just as a minor cameo, have his own side-quest, protagonist, antagonist?
I think it'd be cool if OGB could be a companion, with complete a completely unique skill. (I know that's a long shot though)

Personally, I would be happy about some type of closure. And I think that this could be accomplished in a sidequest. Maybe it's even Morrigan who is the quest giver because there is a problem with her son or whatever. Point is, I don't need him as a companion. But on the other hand I believe that having the soul of an old God must be important somehow. That's why a minor cameo wouldn't be enough for me. I believe a sidequest - which could be completely optional - is the best way to go. 

[Icy Magebane]

They should never have made this a choice. Mandatory ritual or mandatory sacrifice would have been better. One side is always going to want the other side to not get 'extra content'. It's what it boils down to.

Making it mandatory to sleep with Morrigan?  Isn't that a bit excessive?

[Icy Magebane]

For one of the Wardens.

So no ultimate sacrifice?  Not sure that works... I mean, how did all the other Blights end?  I think that the options DA:O gave us were all fair and logical, and that includes the Dark Ritual.  Nothing needs to be changed, but the devs need to be careful about how much attention they give to this plotline... I am hoping they follow their original plan, whatever it was.  If I don't like it, it won't be the first time that's happened in DA.

 

(edit: although I must maintain that my preference is for it to be a small to medium role.. definitely not a companion)

[Lee80]

Hmmmm...I would love for the child to show up at some point.  I also find it funny that people always say he's 10 or whatever.  He could be most any physical age given that he is something new.  He could age to adult hood much faster then normal and then never age again or he could still be like a 2 year old (ageing much slower).  

 

Either way, it seems if he appears in DA:I it'll be a cameo, but like others said I would much prefer a companion appearance in a future game. 

[Annihilator27]

I would like to at least see the OGB referenced. I want to know what happened to my virtual love child haha.

[Urazz]

Hmmmm...I would love for the child to show up at some point.  I also find it funny that people always say he's 10 or whatever.  He could be most any physical age given that he is something new.  He could age to adult hood much faster then normal and then never age again or he could still be like a 2 year old (ageing much slower).  

 

Either way, it seems if he appears in DA:I it'll be a cameo, but like others said I would much prefer a companion appearance in a future game. 

He has a human body but has a dragon's soul fused with a human's soul.  I don't think that's really going to affect how he grows up physically.