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[dragonflight288]

Even if that is possible the Elves could never hold it. They don't have the political capital or military might to do it on their own and no sane Inquisitor would be willing to start a war over it in the middle of a demonic invasion.

 

Besides it would just be another reminder that the elves don't care about anything but themselves. Pushing for a kingdom of their own in the midst of an international crisis is... unwise.

 

So is a civil war in Orlais while there's a huge hole in the sky raining demons upon Thedas. That's generally a bad idea. 

 

Templars punishing mages for crimes they did not commit is also generally a bad idea.

 

Mages turning to demons in desperation or for power is always a bad idea. 

 

All of these happening at once, alongside the the mages and the templars breaking away from the chantry and causing their own war on another front is just as chaotic. 

 

The elves aren't really doing ANYTHING that everyone else isn't already doing. 

 

And it's up to the Inquisitor, meaning me of course  , to solve all the problems. 

[Daerog]

 

 

 I like dwarves, yet I don't find myself under near as much scrutiny as he does with elves. 

 

 

 

Because dwarves know their place. Meatshields against the darkspawn, suppliers of lyrium, and serve as laborers or merchants on the surface. All in service of the human master race, muahahahaha!

 

Really, I do have issues with the dalish because they seem to be destroying themselves... ya, ya, humans have a share in it, but dalish views are harmful like the view of denerim's city elf elders is harmful to city elves.

 

This is offtopic, sorry.

 

Didn't read the book, but Gaspard for Emperor! Gaspard/Briala 9:44!

[TheJediSaint]

And it's up to the Inquisitor, meaning me of course  , to solve all the problems. 

To be fair, it would be hard to make a 50 hour game if the Player Character didn't have to fix everything.

[dragonflight288]

"Looks like an apocalypse! Time to push for a homeland!!"
The Dalish are idiotic closed-minded fools who insist on cold relations with all others. The moment they are actually worthy of respect is the moment I will give it to them. The City elves are a different story, the Dalish are just terrible.

 

Looks like the apocalypse! Time to oust Celene!

 

Looks like the apocalypse, time to fight Gaspard!

 

Looks like the apocalypse, time to fight mages and templars!

 

Looks like the apocalypse! It's time for the dominant religion in the world to erupt into chaos!

 

Look, the elves aren't really doing a single thing that every other group isn't already doing. Except the dwarves, they have their heads on straight. 

[LobselVith8]

Even if that is possible the Elves could never hold it. They don't have the political capital or military might to do it on their own and no sane Inquisitor would be willing to start a war over it in the middle of a demonic invasion.

 

I don't think a lack of sanity is necessary to think that the disenfranchised deserve help when needed, or that the elves deserve to have control of their own lives when the protagonist knows how bad it is for elves in human cities and the struggle for survival of the clans.

 

Besides it would just be another reminder that the elves don't care about anything but themselves. Pushing for a kingdom of their own in the midst of an international crisis is... unwise.

 

I don't think it's a lack of empathy for elves to be willing to risk their lives and fight for future generations to have a better life than they ever could.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So is a civil war in Orlais while there's a huge hole in the sky raining demons upon Thedas. That's generally a bad idea. 

 

Templars punishing mages for crimes they did not commit is also generally a bad idea.

 

Mages turning to demons in desperation or for power is always a bad idea. 

 

All of these happening at once, alongside the the mages and the templars breaking away from the chantry and causing their own war on another front is just as chaotic. 

 

The elves aren't really doing ANYTHING that everyone else isn't already doing. 

 

 

 

Except all those were already ongoing when the Breach happened.

 

This would be the elves actively exploiting the chaos to go out for themselves. It wouldn't end well.

[TheJediSaint]

Except all those were already ongoing when the Breach happened.

 

This would be the elves actively exploiting the chaos to go out for themselves. It wouldn't end well.

To be fair to the elves (weird coming from me, I know), no one seems to be reacting appropriately to the Breach.  Hence the Inquisition.

[Augustei]

Looks like the apocalypse! Time to oust Celene!

 

Looks like the apocalypse, time to fight Gaspard!

 

Looks like the apocalypse, time to fight mages and templars!

 

Looks like the apocalypse! It's time for the dominant religion in the world to erupt into chaos!

Evidently you didn't read the book, there wasn't actually an Apocalypse when those conflicts were started

[Steelcan]

Those events are what led to the apocalypse. The Civil War, Mage rebellion, and the Chantry issues are all pre Breach.

[dragonflight288]

Except all those were already ongoing when the Breach happened.

 

This would be the elves actively exploiting the chaos to go out for themselves. It wouldn't end well.

 

 

Evidently you didn't read the book, there wasn't acxtually an Apocalypse when those conflicts were started

 

The elven rebellion was also happening before the Breach. Once again, the elves aren't doing anything, or getting involved in a conflict after the fact either. 

 

So once again, my point remains standing. The elves aren't doing anything that every other group isn't already doing. 

[Augustei]

TL;DR: People just can't accept that pushing for an Elven homeland in the midst of the apocalypse is an utterly stupid idea.

[Steelcan]

Anyways, the book makes me want to back up Gaspard, Celene and Briala can be introduced to the Inquisition's stand in for Ramsay Snow

[Steelcan]

The elven rebellion was also happening before the Breach. Once again, the elves aren't doing anything, or getting involved in a conflict after the fact either. 
 
So once again, my point remains standing. The elves aren't doing anything that every other group isn't already doing.

there was an eleven uprising in Halamshiral, but there is no organized movement for the restoration of the Dales to the elves.

[LobselVith8]

TL;DR: People just can't accept that pushing for an Elven homeland in the midst of the apocalypse is an utterly stupid idea.

 

People simply have a different view of the situation than you do; that doesn't make them or their views stupid.

[dragonflight288]

TL;DR: People just can't accept that pushing for an Elven homeland in the midst of the apocalypse is an utterly stupid idea.

 

And Gaspard and Celene are equally guilty of the same thing. And so is the Chantry factions, and the mages and the templars. 

 

And Fereldens when it came to their civil war in the middle of a Blight. 

 

I'm not saying it isn't a stupid idea, but I AM saying that the elves shouldn't be singled out for doing what they're doing when every other group in Thedas are essentially making the same bonehead decisions. 

[LobselVith8]

there was an eleven uprising in Halamshiral, but there is no organized movement for the restoration of the Dales to the elves.

 

Briala is taking action with the Eluvians, and she may have already established a pan-elven network to take steps toward that goal by the time the protagonist becomes the Inquisitor.

[Steelcan]

People simply have a different view of the situation than you do; that doesn't make them or their views stupid.

. It certainly doesn't make the person saying it stupid, that's simply uncalled for.

But you can dismiss an idea as stupid

[Steelcan]

Briala is taking action with the Eluvians, and she may have already established a pan-elven network to take steps toward that goal by the time the protagonist becomes the Inquisitor.

. I thought she was in it to help the city elves, not the Dalish.

Anyways, I'd take the end of the book with a grain of salt. Just because it is in the book that doesn't mean it will translate into the game. I point to the lead up comics and books for ME3 as an example

[Daerog]

Maybe aiding Briala with getting the elves some land will gain access to the Eluvians and elves can aid the Inquisition. Maybe Gaspard can be brought into helping by having Inquisition and elves help him against Celene. Who knows, elves got land in Origins, but Fereldan doesn't have strong, centralized power and couldn't stop the dalish getting kicked out. Maybe they will have a better shot with Gaspard.

 

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Why am I supporting the elves? O Maker, what's wrong with me?!

[LobselVith8]

. I thought she was in it to help the city elves, not the Dalish.

 

Briala said she claims the Eluvians for the elves of Orlais, and extends an offer to the Dalish (through Mihris) for the clans to work with her for the benefit of all the elves.

[Steelcan]

The Elven lands in Ferelden are unclear as to what happened. Given how the other booms ended up its likely they will be retconned from existence, ignored, or handwaved away.

I still believe that if they wanted to have the option to give the elves a home nation they'd have done it with that boon, which makes me suspect that they don't intend on giving elves their own land for setting purposes.

[dragonflight288]

Maybe aiding Briala with getting the elves some land will gain access to the Eluvians and elves can aid the Inquisition. Maybe Gaspard can be brought into helping by having Inquisition and elves help him against Celene. Who knows, elves got land in Origins, but Fereldan doesn't have strong, centralized power and couldn't stop the dalish getting kicked out. Maybe they will have a better shot with Gaspard.

 

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Why am I supporting the elves? O Maker, what's wrong with me?!

 

You're a surfacer. Move down to Orzammar, help fight the never ending lines of darkspawn and end your dependence on surfacer issues. 

 

Besides, helping out below ground is actually quite beneficial to those above ground. Not only do we help keep darkspawn away from the surface, we provide lyrium mages use in magical rituals, templars use to gain their powers, and the Joining ritual Wardens use to bolster their numbers so that when a Blight does happen, the world has a way to fight it. 

[LobselVith8]

The Elven lands in Ferelden are unclear as to what happened. Given how the other booms ended up its likely they will be retconned from existence, ignored, or handwaved away.

I still believe that if they wanted to have the option to give the elves a home nation they'd have done it with that boon, which makes me suspect that they don't intend on giving elves their own land for setting purposes.

 

Considering that they handwaved the Magi Boon and it's outcomes, only to provide an option for the Inquisitor to side with the mages fighting to maintain their autonomy, it's possible the same could be the case for an elven homeland.

[Steelcan]

Briala said she claims the Eluvians for the elves of Orlais, and extends an offer to the Dalish (through Mihris) for the clans to work with her for the benefit of all the elves.

. I get the feeling the Dalish will not be answering that summons in force, they are hardly interested in helping City Elves

I do wonder though if she or Celene or Gaspard will be forced into an antagonistic role, because I am skeptical that we will be able to side with one of the three, I imagine it will be a binary choice

[Daerog]

The Elven lands in Ferelden are unclear as to what happened. Given how the other booms ended up its likely they will be retconned from existence, ignored, or handwaved away.

I still believe that if they wanted to have the option to give the elves a home nation they'd have done it with that boon, which makes me suspect that they don't intend on giving elves their own land for setting purposes.

 

They won't have mages freely, happily living with Thedas' peasantry either. Drama!

 

But I can see mages and elves being thrown a bone to some extent. Like maybe having an elf govern the Dales for the Orlesian throne. It'd be a start, like in Fereldan, if that did happen. Maybe mages just get a reformed Circle rather than become normal citizens of every nation.