. I get the feeling the Dalish will not be answering that summons in force, they are hardly interested in helping City Elves
I do wonder though if she or Celene or Gaspard will be forced into an antagonistic role, because I am skeptical that we will be able to side with one of the three, I imagine it will be a binary choice
If the majority of the clans feel like the have a strong chance of getting a homeland, I suspect many clans will answer the call.
Considering that they handwaved the Magi Boon and it's outcomes, only to provide an option for the Inquisitor to side with the mages fighting to maintain their autonomy, it's possible the same could be the case for an elven homeland.
. But they'd have to work with Andrastian City elves, I don't see this coalition lasting long if it forms at all.If the majority of the clans feel like the have a strong chance of getting a homeland, I suspect many clans will answer the call.
. But they'd have to work with Andrastian City elves, I don't see this coalition lasting long if it forms at all.
Give me one in-game example of the Dalish elves hating the city elves. I know they pity them, but they seem to be quite welcoming of Lanaya and Poll.
You're a surfacer. Move down to Orzammar, help fight the never ending lines of darkspawn and end your dependence on surfacer issues.
Besides, helping out below ground is actually quite beneficial to those above ground. Not only do we help keep darkspawn away from the surface, we provide lyrium mages use in magical rituals, templars use to gain their powers, and the Joining ritual Wardens use to bolster their numbers so that when a Blight does happen, the world has a way to fight it.
Maybe I should speak with my mentor about Tranquility... wait, she rebelled. Damn.
Maybe King Bhelen will allow me to serve the court or some house.
Maybe I should speak with my mentor about Tranquility... wait, she rebelled. Damn.
Maybe King Bhelen will allow me to serve the court or some house.
Possibly. 
. I never said hating, and we don't see enough examples to draw a firm conclusion from in game evidence, but in the Codex the Dalish are mistrustful of city elves because of their Andrastian faith and (relative) assimilation into human societies, they even have a slur for them "Flat-ears"Give me one in-game example of the Dalish elves hating the city elves. I know they pity them, but they seem to be quite welcoming of Lanaya and Poll.
Give me one in-game example of the Dalish elves hating the city elves. I know they pity them, but they seem to be quite welcoming of Lanaya and Poll.
Zathrian's clan also rescued Aneirin when they came across him, near death after his encounter with the templars who hunted him down. I don't think that the Dalish clans have ever been presented with this kind of opportunity before, and I imagine some, like Merrill, will care about the plight of their brethren living under human rule.
Give me one in-game example of the Dalish elves hating the city elves. I know they pity them, but they seem to be quite welcoming of Lanaya and Poll.
It'll be more of a governing issue with different religions. Andrastians are cosmopolitan in a way, Dalish are kind of isolating. A republic or ruling council may help, but there would be clashing views.
Give me one in-game example of the Dalish elves hating the city elves. I know they pity them, but they seem to be quite welcoming of Lanaya and Poll.
Mithra: Hold, outsider. You may be of my kind, but you are not Dalish. Why are you here?
Tabris: This is how you greet one of your own people?
Mithra: Flat-ears like yourself act little different from your shemlen masters. I ask again: why are you here?
I wouldn't say this interaction is indicative of all Dalish clans though. Obviously the Sabrae clan was welcoming of city elves.
Mithra: Hold, outsider. You may be of my kind, but you are not Dalish. Why are you here?
Tabris: This is how you greet one of your own people?
Mithra: Flat-ears like yourself act little different from your shemlen masters. I ask again: why are you here?
I wouldn't say this interaction is indicative of all Dalish clans though. Obviously the Sabrae clan was welcoming of city elves.
The same clan rescued Aneirin and took in Lanaya, so I don't think it's indicative of their treatment of non-Dalish elves. The scene has an outsider coming with an armed entourage towards the clan and refusing to give a direct answer, so I can understand why Mithra is expecting an actual answer when the men, women, and children in the clan depend on her doing her job.
I REALLY hope Briala gets some good screen time, and her rebellion won't be pushed to the next game.So, the book has shown Briala wanting a big elf group, could be beneficial for the Inquisition that Lob wants to take advantage of. Others may wish to squash it to gain favor with orlesian nobility. Eluvians or more money, choices, choices. Both seem legit.
Going to be interesting if the elves try to conquer the southern Orlesian province where Orlais' military might is currently focused, just waiting for someone to come along and unite it.
It's not like Celene and Gaspard have trotted off to the Anderfells to have their little spat. They're slugging it out right in the middle of the land the elves would be trying to steal.
In the book fassen told a story of how Fen'harel pitted both his enemies against each other to come out on top braila plans on using a similar tactic let the shems destroy each other then make sure you come out on top
Briala said she claims the Eluvians for the elves of Orlais, and extends an offer to the Dalish (through Mihris) for the clans to work with her for the benefit of all the elves.
That makes me wonder if a Dalish Inquisitor will have the option to kick out Briala and reclaim the Eluvian network for the Dalish. You know, the ones who actually did all the dirty job of looking for a way to use them before Celene and company appeared.
Some say that it would be bad from an in-universe viewpoint if an elven Inquisitor is forced to work for the humans instead of pushing for pan-elven options. However, it would be equally bad from the same in-universe viewpoint if a Dalish is forced to work for the City Elves instead of pushing for Dalish-only options, wouldn't it?
In the book fassen told a story of how Fen'harel pitted both his enemies against each other to come out on top braila plans on using a similar tactic let the shems destroy each other then make sure you come out on top
Fen'harel didn't have to contend with a giant hole in reality.
You're a surfacer. Move down to Orzammar, help fight the never ending lines of darkspawn and end your dependence on surfacer issues.
Besides, helping out below ground is actually quite beneficial to those above ground. Not only do we help keep darkspawn away from the surface, we provide lyrium mages use in magical rituals, templars use to gain their powers, and the Joining ritual Wardens use to bolster their numbers so that when a Blight does happen, the world has a way to fight it.
I wouldn't mind being given the option to sentence criminals to join the Legion of the Dead.
That makes me wonder if a Dalish Inquisitor will have the option to kick out Briala and reclaim the Eluvian network for the Dalish. You know, the ones who actually did all the dirty job of looking for a way to use them before Celene and company appeared.
I don't see working with Briala towards a better future for all the elves as a problem; it's not any different than Merrill, a Dalish elf, expressing her empathy for the Kirkwall elves and voicing that their situation matters. If the elven Inquisitor thinks that Briala doesn't have the best interests of the elves at heart, then I could see usurping the Eluvians as an option, similar to the Courier (in New Vegas) rejecting Mr. House's plan and substituting his own with Yes Man.
Some say that it would be bad from an in-universe viewpoint if an elven Inquisitor is forced to work for the humans instead of pushing for pan-elven options. However, it would be equally bad from the same in-universe viewpoint if a Dalish is forced to work for the City Elves instead of pushing for Dalish-only options, wouldn't it?
Considering that one of the primary Dalish historians, and the hahren, talk about the Dalish reuniting with the city elves in an independent kingdom, I don't think it's as problematic as a Dalish protagonist being limited to the choice of helping the Orlesian Empire; rescuing the imperialist society that is currently occupying your ancestral homeland as a province is a bit more of an issue than working alongside Andrastian elves who are working towards a similar goal as yours.
I don't see working with Briala towards a better future for all the elves as a problem; it's not any different than Merrill, a Dalish elf, expressing her empathy for the Kirkwall elves and voicing that their situation matters. If the elven Inquisitor thinks that Briala doesn't have the best interests of the elves at heart, then I could see usurping the Eluvians as an option, similar to the Courier (in New Vegas) rejecting Mr. House's plan and substituting his own with Yes Man.
Maybe we could claim them for the Inquisition itself, as a third and neutral side? That could work.
Considering that one of the primary Dalish historians, and the hahren, talk about the Dalish reuniting with the city elves in an independent kingdom, I don't think it's as problematic as a Dalish protagonist being limited to the choice of helping the Orlesian Empire; rescuing the imperialist society that is currently occupying your ancestral homeland as a province is a bit more of an issue than working alongside Andrastian elves who are working towards a similar goal as yours.
Ah, but that's depending on the lense you use to see the situation, isn't it? After all, there are also canon examples of Dalish who don't like City Elves, or at least the idea of being an elf they have. Also, from another, more personal and less historical point of view, there's another point that we discussed before: that of the three sides involved (Celene, Gaspard, Briala) is Gaspard, ironically, the only one that hasn't caused harm to the Dalish. That's food for thought.
Maybe we could claim them for the Inquisition itself, as a third and neutral side? That could work.
I'd like the racial background of the protagonist to possibly reflect their actions, as I could see a Dalish protagonist having specific reasons for wanting to utilize the Eluvians; I could see a Dwarven Inquisitor, for example, having specific goals in mind in pursuing a possible alliance with Orzammar due to his heritage that might not arise with the other Inquisitors.
Ah, but that's depending on the lense you use to see the situation, isn't it? After all, there are also canon examples of Dalish who don't like City Elves, or at least the idea of being an elf they have. Also, from another, more personal and less historical point of view, there's another point that we discussed before: that of the three sides involved (Celene, Gaspard, Briala) is Gaspard, ironically, the only one that hasn't caused harm to the Dalish. That's food for thought.
True, there are different kinds of Dalish elves, but that's why I would hope for multiple options. I'm not necessarily going to play a Dalish elf in the same way someone else will. As for Gaspard, I suppose it would depend on the circumstances and what's involved in an alliance (since our characters wouldn't be privy to nuances about the characters like the readers of "The Masked Empire" are); if he's willing to go a step further from Celene's empty offer of "honorary lordship" to outright control of the Dales to the Dalish, in exchange for assistance from the Inquisition, then that could change things.
Fen'harel didn't have to contend with a giant hole in reality.
during WW1 the irish rebelled against british rule sometimes the only way to gain freedom is when the world is tearing itself apart why fight orlais when its at full strength and you have no hope or collect yours and seize the day.
The same clan rescued Aneirin and took in Lanaya, so I don't think it's indicative of their treatment of non-Dalish elves. The scene has an outsider coming with an armed entourage towards the clan and refusing to give a direct answer, so I can understand why Mithra is expecting an actual answer when the men, women, and children in the clan depend on her doing her job.
Or it's indicitive of the Sabrae clan being unusually tolerant. The one in TME certainly wasn't.
The overall impression I've gotten about the Dalish is they at best pity the city elves and at worst hold them in contempt for bowing to human masters. In either case, tehy don't consider them "true elves" thus the flat-ears epithet.
We are the Dalish: keepers of the lost lore, walkers of the lonely path. We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit.
We are the Dalish: keepers of the lost lore, walkers of the lonely path. We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit.
Technically, Elvhenan ("place of our people") is the name for the ancient elf civilization,a bit like saying Mesopotamian, so I don't have much of a problem with that since City Elves have actually embraced Andrastian civilization with some colourful bits from the previous elven culture.
If you want a better example, talk about some Dalish taking the name Elvhen ("our people") for themselves, since that is the name of the race and should be applied to every elf, Dalish or not. An example of that can be found the first time you go to the Dalish camp in DA2. If you bring Fenris with you, he remarks the hypocrisy of that use of the word Elvhen.
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