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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Or it's indicitive of the Sabrae clan being unusually tolerant.  The one in TME certainly wasn't.

 

The overall impression I've gotten about the Dalish is they at best pity the city elves and at worst hold them in contempt for bowing to human masters.  In either case, tehy don't consider them "true elves" thus the flat-ears epithet.

 

We are the Dalish: keepers of the lost lore, walkers of the lonely path.  We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit.

 

The Oath of the Dales in and of itself hardly proves that. The Elvhenan was a nation. Of course the city elves aren't part of it.They are subjects of the human countries.

[TK514]

during WW1 the irish rebelled against british rule sometimes the only way to gain freedom is when the world is tearing itself apart why fight orlais when its at full strength and you have no hope or collect yours and seize the day.

 

World War I wasn't being waged in the middle of Ireland.

[MisterJB]

The Forsworn managed to take advantage of the Great War to conquer Markath and the Reach because the Empire had been forced to send most of the soldiers to fight the elves. Thus, the reduced Imperial presence is what lead to their victory. And let's not forget all it took was Ulfric Stormcloak and his militia to retake the city(because SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!).

 

Now, the armies of Orlais are fighting in the Dales and some people think this is the perfect opportunity to try to retake that particular piece of land. When the orlesian military presence has increased by a hundredfold.

[Milan92]

The Forsworn managed to take advantage of the Great War to conquer Markath and the Reach because the Empire had been forced to send most of the soldiers to fight the elves. Thus, the reduced Imperial presence is what lead to their victory. And let's not forget all it took was Ulfric Stormcloak and his militia to retake the city.

 

Now, the armies of Orlais are fighting in the Dales and some people think this is the perfect opportunity to try to retake that particular piece of land. When the orlesian military presence has increased by a hundredfold.

 

Maybe we can conquer a few pieces of land for the Inquisition.

[LobselVith8]

Or it's indicitive of the Sabrae clan being unusually tolerant.  The one in TME certainly wasn't.

 

We also had Velanna's clan respond positively to seeing Velanna in the company of humans, and Marren was willing to take the word of a non-Dalish that Velanna had changed for the better; we also have Ariane's clan, who welcomed an elven Circle mage into the clan. I'm not seeing how the behavior of Clan Virnehn represents most Dalish, given what we've read from their historian and what their hahren have said about Dalish and city elves coming together in an independent kingdom where elves rule themselves. There's also the issue of Thelhen using magic that involves spirits, despite how WoT reads, "Unlike other spellcasters, Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous." (page 104)

 

Given what we've seen from "The Masked Empire", Clan Virnehn looks like an atypical clan.

 

The overall impression I've gotten about the Dalish is they at best pity the city elves and at worst hold them in contempt for bowing to human masters.  In either case, tehy don't consider them "true elves" thus the flat-ears epithet.

 

We are the Dalish: keepers of the lost lore, walkers of the lonely path.  We are the last of the Elvhenan, and never again shall we submit.

 

Some of the Dalish consider the city elves to be culturally human, but we have some city elves who also use the term in reference to elves who leave the Alienage, viewing them as "flat ears". According to hahren Sarethia of the Highever Alienage, "Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there, they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere." We also have some city elves look down on the Dalish as savages.

 

In contrast, we also have Dalish who don't share those views, like Merrill, who talks about the Kirkwall elves as elves, and voices that their plight matters. I think it would be a mistake to confuse the view held by some with the mindset held by most or all of them.

[pengwin21]

Merrill doesn't seem like a great example of the Dalish caring about city elves- she spends all her time messing with a mirror she doesn't understand and thinks muggings are "exciting". What does Merrill actually do for any of the other elves in the Alienage?

[TheJediSaint]

Merrill doesn't seem like a great example of the Dalish caring about city elves- she spends all her time messing with a mirror she doesn't understand and thinks muggings are "exciting". What does Merrill actually do for any of the other elves in the Alienage?

Aside from a few nice words?  Nothing.  Her time not spend hanging out with Hawke and Co are spent on the Mirror.   And that's not even getting into the fact she's working on a mirror which she knows is dangerous in the middle of a crowded slum.

[Nimlowyn]

Not at all. Everybody does horrible things for Reasons. My first Inquisitor is only going to care about the Breach...everything else is only important insofar as it relates to said Breach. She'll side with whomever can best get it taken care of. That's the plan, anyway...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Merrill doesn't seem like a great example of the Dalish caring about city elves- she spends all her time messing with a mirror she doesn't understand and thinks muggings are "exciting". What does Merrill actually do for any of the other elves in the Alienage?

Well care is perahaps too big word i would say she is fine with them and at the end of her the quest you can suggest her to help city elves and she will respond that she was so blinded by mirror and past she didn't even notice that she could help them and she will tell you that she will try to help them.

 

 

Aside from a few nice words?  Nothing.  Her time not spend hanging out with Hawke and Co are spent on the Mirror.   And that's not even getting into the fact she's working on a mirror which she knows is dangerous in the middle of a crowded slum.

Well what i can say she is stupid but here it isn't point.

 

[LobselVith8]

Merrill doesn't seem like a great example of the Dalish caring about city elves- she spends all her time messing with a mirror she doesn't understand and thinks muggings are "exciting". What does Merrill actually do for any of the other elves in the Alienage?

 

Merrill befriended elves in the Kirkwall Alienage, which is why she suggests that Sebastian name his bow after a woman she knows from the Alienage, and why she assures Huon's wife when Hawke approaches her.

 

As for the Eluvian, she studied the lore on the Eluvians and extrapolated information from the shard when constructing the Eluvian; she's the most informed on the subject in the entire narrative of Dragon Age II.

 

In regards to her comment about muggings, you realize she was being sarcastic, right? It's like assuming that her line about the Kirkwall Alienage being "sunshine and rainbows" is meant to be taken literally.

[Master Warder Z_]

In regards to her comment about muggings, you realize she was being sarcastic, right? 

 

No she seems about that stupid.

 

Like when she stumbles into the gardens of nobility and then Varric has to go out of pocket for her not to beheaded by quick fingered guards.

[LobselVith8]

No she seems about that stupid.

 

Like when she stumbles into the gardens of nobility and then Varric has to go out of pocket for her not to beheaded by quick fingered guards.

 

Merrill uses dry humor quite a bit, and Carver even calls her out on it when the two are searching for Hawke in MoTA (as long as Merrill isn't in a romance with the Champion of Kirkwall; otherwise, the player might not even be aware of it). It's referenced throughout the story, and even in the DLC. The conversation between Anders and Merrill highlights this:

 

Anders: Do the Dalish ever have fancy parties? I always imagined they celebrated most big occasions by eating mushrooms and acorns. And maybe dancing naked around a campfire.

 

Merrill: You know, I was wondering when the naked dancing was going to start. And the human sacrifice. I mean, you just can't throw a decent party without kidnapping a human child and offering her entrails to the sky gods.

 

Anders: Really?

 

Merrill: No.

[Master Warder Z_]

Merrill uses dry humor quite a bit

 

Debatable, Considering that even as you indicate that seems to be the impression of ONE person of the group.

 

Just as many if not more consider her plainly ignorant, Which to my eye strikes true more oft then not.

[Wolfen09]

to answer the original post, yes and no.  Im leaning towards celene right now, but gaspard is a close #2, and briala is way out in left field, cause i didnt care for her character.  However, these impressions i have right now will not be the deciding factor.  Right now this is the preliminary vote, until i get more information in the game, i wont be able to make my decision

[Steelcan]

World War I wasn't being waged in the middle of Ireland.

furthermore, it was a disaster, the english crushed the Easter uprising hard

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

furthermore, it was a disaster, the english crushed the Easter uprising hard

 

Which is really nudging me towards giving the Dalish the green light for something like that.

 

Then they can get themselves killed and I can work on getting the cool elves rights.

[Milan92]

In regards to her comment about muggings, you realize she was being sarcastic, right? It's like assuming that her line about the Kirkwall Alienage being "sunshine and rainbows" is meant to be taken literally.

She is always clueless when Hawke makes a sarcastic comment, how on earth could she even make a sarcastic joke herself.

[Wolfen09]

i think we are trying to read way too much into it here.... 

[Samahl]

She is always clueless when Hawke makes a sarcastic comment, how on earth could she even make a sarcastic joke herself.

Isn't it mostly just when sexual innuendos are involved?

[jtav]

Merrill does occasionally use sarcasm; Act 1 with Ilen comes to mind. But most of the time she's very literal in an almost childlike way. That muggings comment was in earnest.

[TK514]

furthermore, it was a disaster, the english crushed the Easter uprising hard

 

It would be interesting if they gave you the option to destabilize the region and it lead to one of the failure states for the game.  For example, you destabilize Orlais, don't do some of the optional regions, make some poor choices along the way and the demons win, spreading further into Ferelden, Nevarra and the Free Marches.

 

Or maybe you'd just have a harder time taking/holding keeps since you wouldn't have the soldiers to man them.

[LobselVith8]

She is always clueless when Hawke makes a sarcastic comment, how on earth could she even make a sarcastic joke herself.

 

Considering that she uses dry humor quite a bit, it's already clear that she knows how to tell a joke. Her comment to Hawke about the muggings clearly goes over his head as an intended joke, but Ilen realizes Merrill's intent when she talks about the Kirkwall Alienage in the same 'rosy' tone that she took with Hawke:

 

Ilen: Ah, Merrill… you've returned. How has your time been amongst the shemlen?

 

Merrill: It's been nothing but roses and rainbows, Master Ilen. The Alienage is lovely in the spring. The collapsing shacks and drunken brutes are nicely offset by the knee-deep mud.

 

It happens a bit, like when Merrill makes a quip about the Arishok's comment about "the certainty of the Qun". There are moments of culture shock when Merrill is dealing with human culture that she's not familiar with, but there are other times where Merrill says something that makes her seem like a ditz to some people, but we have one of those moments in MoTA when Carver and her are trying to find Hawke, and he says in retort, "Hey, you're doing that on purpose", to which she starts laughing.

[Iakus]

Merrill does occasionally use sarcasm; Act 1 with Ilen comes to mind. But most of the time she's very literal in an almost childlike way. That muggings comment was in earnest.

Merrill's talk seems to be pretty stream-of-consciousness.  She doesn't really filter what goes on in her mind from what comes out of her mouth (she admits she babbles a lot).  So her attitude seems to be a combination of trying to understand humans and their customs while failing to be silent about mentally working her way through metaphors and such.

 

She does seem to appreciate a good joke and teasing as well, so combine that with having a sense of humor of her own, and you can't be too certain when she's playing dumb and when she's genuinely puzzled.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

After what happened to Bann Teagan and the insult to Alistair over his grandmother, I say let Ferelden invade Orlais and win, beating the Duke to the punch of an invasion, the Warden Princess Consort of Ferelden would be all for it.

[TheJediSaint]

After what happened to Bann Teagan and the insult to Alistair over his grandmother, I say let Ferelden invade Orlais and win, beating the Duke to the punch of an invasion, the Warden Princess Consort of Ferelden would be all for it.

Fereldan is still recovering from the Blight, so I doubt they're in a position to invade the greatest land power in Thedas, civil war or no.  If anything, war is only going to reinforce the status quo, not change it.