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[ElvaliaRavenHart]

With Celene and the Duke battling it out, I'd say this would be an advantage for Ferelden to invade.  Will it happen, not likely, but I'd like to see it.  The blight has been over for 10 years by the time Inquisition rolls around, a lot can happen in 10 years.  This will depend how Ferelden's monarch sees the insult over Queen Moria, which Orlais slaughtered by paying off Ferelden nobles to do it, and King Maric killed all of them at the end of the Stolen Throne.

 

Don't forget Alistair is giving shelter to mages in the war, thus he does have firepower on his side if he decides to invade and some of his former companions are in Inquisition, and if it is true Alistair is really Fiona's son then I see Alistair siding with Briala and helping with the elven uprising in Orlais, maybe not officially, but more like how the game is played in Orlais.  It was obvious in DA2 Alistair and Celene are in contact with each other.  Who Alistair or Anora would side with is whole different matter.  If Alistair is King he also gives land to the Dalish and appoints an advisor to his court from the Alienage.  Don't forget the offer Avelene gets to rejoin Ferelden's army in DA2.  She gets her commission back, if Hawke sides with the mages I can see Avelene going back to Orlais or even Ferelden to rejoin Alistair's army.  I'm unsure if this same thing comes up if Anora is Queen.  So something is up regarding an invasion between Orlais and Ferelden which the developers have hinted at several times, since the end of Origins.

[Steelcan]

With Celene and the Duke battling it out, I'd say this would be an advantage for Ferelden to invade.  Will it happen, not likely, but I'd like to see it.  The blight has been over for 10 years by the time Inquisition rolls around, a lot can happen in 10 years.  This will depend how Ferelden's monarch sees the insult over Queen Moria, which Orlais slaughtered by paying off Ferelden nobles to do it, and King Maric killed all of them at the end of the Stolen Throne.

 

Don't forget Alistair is giving shelter to mages in the war, thus he does have firepower on his side if he decides to invade and some of his former companions are in Inquisition, and if it is true Alistair is really Fiona's son then I see Alistair siding with Briala and helping with the elven uprising in Orlais, maybe not officially, but more like how the game is played in Orlais.  It was obvious in DA2 Alistair and Celene are in contact with each other.  Who Alistair or Anora would side with is whole different matter.  If Alistair is King he also gives land to the Dalish and appoints an advisor to his court from the Alienage.  Don't forget the offer Avelene gets to rejoin Ferelden's army in DA2.  She gets her commission back, if Hawke sides with the mages I can see Avelene going back to Orlais or even Ferelden to rejoin Alistair's army.  I'm unsure if this same thing comes up if Anora is Queen.  So something is up regarding an invasion between Orlais and Ferelden which the developers have hinted at several times, since the end of Origins.

A Ferelden invasion of Orlais would the second worst idea in the long sad history of bad ideas.

 

Orlesian manpower and fighting ability may be stretched but the fastest way to get people to agree on something is an even worse alternative, and if free mages are getting involved then the templars will be begging to sign up with them as well.

 

Furthermore, Alistair (if he's on the throne) is in absolutely no condition to be helping elves, he needs to keep an eye on when the crisis is over, and sheltering mages, helping elves, and invading Orlais would be a disaster afterwards when Orlesian attention is no longer occupied by the crisis and Civil War.

[umadcommander]

as much as id like to see not-england give not-france a beating, orlais would crush ferelden

 

also even ignoring all the outer factors about the two nations as it stands alistair doesnt seem like an expansionist king (they obviously wont vary ferelden's direction based on the ruler sadly enough and alistair is the most popular so they'll take whatever desicion he'd make and apply it across all the potential monarchs)

[Mistic]

With Celene and the Duke battling it out, I'd say this would be an advantage for Ferelden to invade.  Will it happen, not likely, but I'd like to see it.  The blight has been over for 10 years by the time Inquisition rolls around, a lot can happen in 10 years.  This will depend how Ferelden's monarch sees the insult over Queen Moria, which Orlais slaughtered by paying off Ferelden nobles to do it, and King Maric killed all of them at the end of the Stolen Throne.

 

10 years is not much. Remember that the Blight meant the loss of many people of all ages, not to talk about the damage done to the land itself. I wouldn't be surprised if internal stability and avoiding hunger are the top priorities of the Fereldan ruler, rather than avenging any supposed insult from Orlais. Remember that Gaspard's plan wasn't to make Ferelden declare war on Orlais, but to provide Orlais with a reason to declare war on Ferelden. He likely guessed that Ferelden would never risk declaring a war in their current state.

 

Don't forget Alistair is giving shelter to mages in the war, thus he does have firepower on his side if he decides to invade and some of his former companions are in Inquisition, and if it is true Alistair is really Fiona's son then I see Alistair siding with Briala and helping with the elven uprising in Orlais, maybe not officially, but more like how the game is played in Orlais.  It was obvious in DA2 Alistair and Celene are in contact with each other.  Who Alistair or Anora would side with is whole different matter.  If Alistair is King he also gives land to the Dalish and appoints an advisor to his court from the Alienage.  Don't forget the offer Avelene gets to rejoin Ferelden's army in DA2.  She gets her commission back, if Hawke sides with the mages I can see Avelene going back to Orlais or even Ferelden to rejoin Alistair's army.  I'm unsure if this same thing comes up if Anora is Queen.  So something is up regarding an invasion between Orlais and Ferelden which the developers have hinted at several times, since the end of Origins.

 

Alistair was sheltering mages before the war, in 9:37. Irving's presence at the end of Asunder and that letter sent to Teagan that appears in the web is clear evidence that the Mage-Templar War has reached Ferelden too, so instead of a resource, mages (and templars) have become a liability for any Fereldan ruler.

 

As for the hints, we konw that powerful nobles were pushing for war against Ferelden, that's true. The result? The Masked Empire tells us: instead of declaring war against a external enemy, Orlais has imploded in civil war.

[MisterJB]

Where has it been said Alistair is giving shelter to mages?
He gave to a couple before the war began but that was it. If anything, the mages in the Hitherlands are making quite a nuisance of themselves by BURNING PEOPLE ALIVE!

 

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[Hellion Rex]

Where has it been said Alistair is giving shelter to mages?
He gave to a couple before the war began but that was it. If anything, the mages in the Hitherlands are making quite a nuisance of themselves by BURNING PEOPLE ALIVE!

Well, it's not like the Templars down there are doing much better.

[TheJediSaint]

Well, it's not like the Templars down there are doing much better.

It's almost like normal people getting caught between Mages and Templars is a ongoing theme in Dragon Age.

[MisterJB]

Well, it's not like the Templars down there are doing much better.

I know. It's just that people seem to assume that, whatever happens, the Ferelden Monarchy will always be there to assist with whatever cause they deem worthy.

 

Well, maybe Alistair has different ideas. If anything, I'd expect him to want both mages and Templars out of his kingdom.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, it's not like the Templars down there are doing much better.

Well that templars are doing smiliar things doesn't chance fact that mages are still doing that and i doubt that fereldens will be pleased with that because templars do the same.

[TheJediSaint]

I know. It's just that people seem to assume that, whatever happens, the Ferelden Monarchy will always be there to assist with whatever cause they deem worthy.

 

Well, maybe Alistair has different ideas. If anything, I'd expect him to want both mages and Templars out of his kingdom.

I think people also forget that the monarchy doesn't have that much power in Fereldan.  

[Milan92]

I know. It's just that people seem to assume that, whatever happens, the Ferelden Monarchy will always be there to assist with whatever cause they deem worthy.

 

Well, maybe Alistair has different ideas. If anything, I'd expect him to want both mages and Templars out of his kingdom.

 

Can monarchs actually take sides regarding the mages and templars?

[LobselVith8]

Well, it's not like the Templars down there are doing much better.

Yeah, since templars are killing people who they 'suspect' of being mages. I wonder if the absense of local leadership is an issue due to the cataclysm (leading to the Inquisitor then taking charge of either group), or if it's simply fringe elements from both camps that don't reflect the majority of them.

[MisterJB]

Can monarchs actually take sides regarding the mages and templars?

Only if they can get away with it.

[Milan92]

Only if they can get away with it.

 

In that case, Alistair is ofcourse gonna be fine

 

Because he is Alistair.

[Mistic]

In that case, Alistair is ofcourse gonna be fine

 

Because he is Alistair.

 

Imagine the scene, mages and templars trying to make Alistair support them.

 

Templar: "He is ours! He had Templar training!"

Mage: "He hated that training! And then fought alongside mages during the Blight!"

Alistair: "I think I need a vacation..."

 

Joking aside, I'd expect the Fereldan ruler to support their people first. TME made it very clear that both Celene and Gaspard were willing to end any conflict between Mages and Templars by using the Orlesian army to kill them all if the Divine failed to restore peace. How convenient that a civil war started just before that, isn't it?

[LobselVith8]

Imagine the scene, mages and templars trying to make Alistair support them.

 

Templar: "He is ours! He had Templar training!"

Mage: "He hated that training! And then fought alongside mages during the Blight!"

Alistair: "I think I need a vacation..."

 

Joking aside, I'd expect the Fereldan ruler to support their people first. TME made it very clear that both Celene and Gaspard were willing to end any conflict between Mages and Templars by using the Orlesian army to kill them all if the Divine failed to restore peace. How convenient that a civil war started just before that, isn't it?

 

If the Hero of Ferelden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence, and if the Inquisitor sides with the mages, I'd like to see Queen Anora or King Alistair mention the Magi Boon; we see King Alistair arguing in favor of it several years after the fact, so I don't think the Crown would be opposed to it once the main character has settled the ongoing conflict in the Hinterlands.

[Medhia_Nox]

Absolutely loved The Masked Empire... I think Mr. Weekes is a very strong fantasy fiction writer and he should be made chief writer on all future DA books. 

 

That being said: 

Gaspard:  I like the man, despite disagreeing with him.  He's a man vying for power, plain and simple.  We'll meet on the field of battle and I will crush him with his honor.  I will give him a proper burial with all due respect to his station.

 

Celene:  Fate has conspired to put her into the place she's supposed to be.  Sorry Celene, I respect your love, but you're the Empress - not some jumped up tart in a village at the ass end of the Frostback.  I'll side with you if sides in your war are to be chosen - but I hope you've learned a lot from your experiences with Gaspard.

 

Briala:  Alright Andraste 2.0... I'll give an ear.  But if you think that your little bid to save your people supersedes my need to save everyone... I'll kill you without the slightest hesitation if you force my hand.  You've got major props for finally realizing that the Dalish should be left to go extinct.  We'll build up your people in due time - so long as you can manage just a few more months/years of patience.

[MisterJB]

I'll bleed the ground red with anyone who opposes my peace efforts.

[Hellion Rex]

I'll bleed the ground red with anyone who opposes my peace efforts.

Oh, the irony.

[AshenEndymion]

Oh, the irony.

 

It's not like the people who oppose the Inquisitor will do so peacefully...  In fact, if they did, it'd be the first time for that to occur in Dragon Age.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'll bleed the ground red with anyone who opposes my peace efforts.

 

Exactly! We'll bring peace to this damned world even if we have to kill the majority of the SJW bait to do it!

[Mistic]

It's not like the people who oppose the Inquisitor will do so peacefully...  In fact, if they did, it'd be the first time for that to occur in Dragon Age.

 

I'm not so sure. Maybe not in major quests, but I can definitely see peaceful opposition in minor quests, like to one related to House DuRellion.

 

Sometimes I get the feeling that some people forget that at the beginning of the game we are going to be completely unknown. The high powers are going to see us as upstarts, and it's likely that minor, regional agents are going to think of us as bandits, rebels or other shady people before we can prove that we can help them.

[Razored1313]

If I absolutely have pick between the two I will side with gaspard, as at least I know he will honor any promises he makes me. However my main goal for Orlais is and will always be to find the worst possible outcome for the nobility and "the game"....and that may very well be an alliance with briala and the elves. they are my first choice unless something more damaging appears

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'll bleed the ground red with anyone who opposes my peace efforts.

Will they be sent to camps to learn how to concentrate on peace?

[Master Warder Z_]

Will they be sent to camps to learn how to concentrate on peace?

 

Splendid idea!

 

Death Peace Camps!