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[DannyDaManny]

If he could, then he would have done it
He didn't, which means he couldn't
Sort of like that demon in DAO which we literally put together piece by piece
He is powerful and stuff, but due to some warding rituals and magic he can do nothing
That's how magic connecred to powerful denons works, quite often. They're like giant guns which can kill anything but won't shoot unless some imbecile pulls the trigger
In this case the imbecile was Chevin
And he'll pay for it
Michel deserves to rot in hell for what he did

Hmm, if I recall correctly, Michel and co were trying to escape from the dalish camp after being captured. I reckon the dalish brought it upon themselves. They summoned a powerful demon and the demon got out. Maybe they should've thought of that before.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hmm, if I recall correctly, Michel and co were trying to escape from the dalish camp after being captured. I reckon the dalish brought it upon themselves. They summoned a powerful demon and the demon got out. Maybe they should've thought of that before.

 

Pretty much, and Considering the Demon was capable of exerting influence on everyone near it even caged; it was obvious they had no idea what they were dealing with.

[TK514]

If he could, then he would have done it
He didn't, which means he couldn't
Sort of like that demon in DAO which we literally put together piece by piece
He is powerful and stuff, but due to some warding rituals and magic he can do nothing
That's how magic connecred to powerful denons works, quite often. They're like giant guns which can kill anything but won't shoot unless some imbecile pulls the trigger
In this case the imbecile was Chevin
And he'll pay for it
Michel deserves to rot in hell for what he did

 

I think you're being a little harsh on Michel here.  Most people in Thedas have zero knowledge of demons beyond "They're Bad".  He had no way of knowing the demon was lying to him.  He tried to destroy it.

 

To use your gun analogy,  Michel was a child playing with the gun the Dalish left laying out in the open.

[Chari]

Hmm, if I recall correctly, Michel and co were trying to escape from the dalish camp after being captured. I reckon the dalish brought it upon themselves. They summoned a powerful demon and the demon got out. Maybe they should've thought of that before.

You mean to escape that one clan which saved them from angry demonic trees? Sure, should gave left the humans to die in the forest. Seriously, that would solve so many problems...
They controlled it well enough until one human decided that he knew better than mages who actually saved his empress from death and actually summoned the demon
He could have simply let the dalish deal with him on their own. That would be fair. But no, he chose to interfere and this choice doomed the innocent to die. Just like Celene's choice to burn Halamshiral did

[Chari]

Pretty much, and Considering the Demon was capable of exerting influence on everyone near it even caged; it was obvious they had no idea what they were dealing with.

He wanted to get out but he could not. If he could, he would. Meaning they did control him well enough on their own. Meaning without Chevin he would stay in the cage for much more time

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally, I don't think Ishmael did anything because he simply enjoyed watching the world like a play until the opportune moment presented itself for him to take the stage. 

[Master Warder Z_]

He wanted to get out but he could not. If he could, he would. Meaning they did control him well enough on their own. Meaning without Chevin he would stay in the cage for much more time

 

This where we reach the edge of speculation, You'd assert it would escape if capable, i'd assert it would only escape when a choice was made, aka something to amuse the demon. 

 

So yeah, i'm of the belief the demon sat there because it wanted to.

[Beerfish]

Not sure how factions from the book will relate to the game but after the book here is my list of likes/dislikes.

 

Liked Celene would support her in general.

Liked Gaspard would support him in general.

Hate Briala would go out of my way to crush the elves to remove the Eluvian threat.

Would hunt down Michel at all costs and execute him for multiple treasonous acts.

Would clearly warn the Dalish and city elves to stay away from Briala and her plans on penalty of being wiped out.

 

Edit: Oh and Imshael needs to be found and put down asap.

[Jazzpha]

Remember that we are talking about one of the Forbidden Ones here, though. Imshael is no slouch. My guess is he was biding his time and waiting for someone like Michel to come along, someone with a complex past and a particularly painful choice to make that Imshael would find satisfying.

 

As Imshael himself later says, "You offer me a stately dinner, when what I want is the bare-fisted gluttony of a starving man." Felassan knew exactly how Imshael was playing Michel, judging by his amused reaction at Imshael's overly-exaggerated 'death' following the breaking of the stone.

 

My point is, Imshael knew exactly what he was doing. The Dalish were done the moment they summoned him, and Michel was done the moment Imshael realized how much fun he could have at Michel's psychological expense.

[Chari]

I think you're being a little harsh on Michel here. Most people in Thedas have zero knowledge of demons beyond "They're Bad". He had no way of knowing the demon was lying to him. He tried to destroy it.

To use your gun analogy, Michel was a child playing with the gun the Dalish left laying out in the open.

By... Destroying the circle which was meant to keep it under control
Makes sense

Not in the open since the "child" was not meant to walk there. It's more like a kid got into a weaponry and pushed the red DONOTPUSH button which operates nuke bombs

[Chari]

This where we reach the edge of speculation, You'd assert it would escape if capable, i'd assert it would only escape when a choice was made, aka something to amuse the demon.

So yeah, i'm of the belief the demon sat there because it wanted to.

Which makes no sense since he couldn't freely leave the cage, it's canon. He needed someone to break it. How Michel is better/funnier than any other elf? He is not. The demon wanted to kill the poor dalish. So why Michel and not some random elf? It is illogical

[TK514]

By... Destroying the circle which was meant to keep it under control
Makes sense

Not in the open since the "child" was not meant to walk there. It's more like a kid got into a weaponry and pushed the red DONOTPUSH button which operates nuke bombs

 

I disagree.  He was imprisoned in the open, in the middle of nowhere.  There were no guards, no signs to warn away the unwary.  Anyone could have stumbled upon him.  And it was obvious Michel had no idea what he was doing.  In my mind, you should be reserving your hate for Felassan, who knew exactly what was going to happen and let Michel do it anyway.

[Chari]

Remember that we are talking about one of the Forbidden Ones here, though. Imshael is no slouch. My guess is he was biding his time and waiting for someone like Michel to come along, someone with a complex past and a particularly painful choice to make that Imshael would find satisfying.

As Imshael himself later says, "You offer me a stately dinner, when what I want is the bare-fisted gluttony of a starving man." Felassan knew exactly how Imshael was playing Michel, judging by his amused reaction at Imshael's overly-exaggerated 'death' following the breaking of the stone.

My point is, Imshael knew exactly what he was doing. The Dalish were done the moment they summoned him, and Michel was done the moment Imshael realized how much fun he could have at Michel's psychological expense.

Meaning if Michel didn't come the demon would either be unable to leave or have to wait for a proper victim
Meaning it still was mainly his fault

[Jazzpha]

I disagree.  He was imprisoned in the open, in the middle of nowhere.  There were no guards, no signs to warn away the unwary.  Anyone could have stumbled upon him.  And it was obvious Michel had no idea what he was doing.  In my mind, you should be reserving your hate for Felassan, who knew exactly what was going to happen and let Michel do it anyway.

 

Right, except that that would involve hating Felassan, which I can't bring myself to do. For all his moments of occasionally doing something of questionable ethics at best, he's just too awesome on the whole for me not to love.

[Master Warder Z_]

Which makes no sense since he couldn't freely leave the cage, it's canon. He needed someone to break it. How Michel is better/funnier than any other elf? He is not. The demon wanted to kill the poor dalish. So why Michel and not some random elf? It is illogical

 

Illogical that the demon acted as it acted? It presented a choice after playing Michel the entire encounter, it presented it self as a demon of choice and it offered one, after pushing every button the Knight had.

 

And the Poor Dalish really? They were the morons who summoned it and tried to bind it.

[Chari]

I disagree. He was imprisoned in the open, in the middle of nowhere. There were no guards, no signs to warn away the unwary. Anyone could have stumbled upon him. And it was obvious Michel had no idea what he was doing. In my mind, you should be reserving your hate for Felassan, who knew exactly what was going to happen and let Michel do it anyway.

I'm pretty sure the entire clan knew they needed to avoid the place and the dalish clans usually guard their territory very carefully. It was guarded well enough. Until Celene and her misfits arrived
Felassan was honest and fair in his neutrality. He is the only character I truly liked

[Jazzpha]

Meaning if Michel didn't come the demon would either be unable to leave or have to wait for a proper victim
Meaning it still was mainly his fault

 

Perhaps, but as you say, Imshael would have found a "proper victim" sooner or later. As soon as the Dalish summoned him, it was only a matter of time before he got free. I can't hate Michel because he was the one unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the 'right' time. That's not directly his fault.

[DannyDaManny]

Meaning if Michel didn't come the demon would either be unable to leave or have to wait for a proper victim
Meaning it still was mainly his fault

So it's Michel's fault for just being there?

[Master Warder Z_]

Meaning if Michel didn't come the demon would either be unable to leave or have to wait for a proper victim
Meaning it still was mainly his fault

 

That's a lot of assumptions on you're part, you realize?

[TK514]

I'm pretty sure the entire clan knew they needed to avoid the place and the dalish clans usually guard their territory very carefully. It was guarded well enough. Until Celene and her misfits arrived
Felassan was honest and fair in his neutrality. He is the only character I truly liked

 

Honest enough not to tell the uneducated "If you do that, you will release one of the four most powerful demons in existence to do whatever he wants on anyone he encounters".  Michel literally thought he was killing the demon.  He was completely ignorant of what was going to happen.  Felassan refused the opportunity to educate him, and the Dalish paid for Felassan's silence.

[Chari]

Illogical that the demon acted as it acted? It presented a choice after playing Michel the entire encounter, it presented it self as a demon of choice and it offered one, after pushing every button the Knight had.

And the Poor Dalish really? They were the morons who summoned it and tried to bind it.

There wasn't much drama, really. Watch mazoku from the slayers or even Bill Cipher from GF play tricks on people's minds. Now these are entertaining
That? A child's play

Yes. Poor folk died because humans interfered. Again. Don't let humans near elves, it always leads to misery and suffering of the latter

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes. Poor folk died because humans interfered. Again. Don't let humans near elves, it always leads to misery and suffering of the latter

Yeah, my Human Warden stopping the slave trade in Denerim really led to misery and suffering of the elves.

[Chari]

Honest enough not to tell the uneducated "If you do that, you will release one of the four most powerful demons in existence to do whatever he wants on anyone he encounters". Michel literally thought he was killing the demon. He was completely ignorant of what was going to happen. Felassan refused the opportunity to educate him, and the Dalish paid for Felassan's silence.

Felassan didn't lie, was not hypocritical and stayed neutral. This I respect unlike constant teenage anger of Michel

[Chari]

Yeah, my Human Warden stopping the slave trade in Denerim really led to misery and suffering of the elves.

Which was caused by whom?
Yes, humans from Tevinter

[FraQ]

Why is there no Audiobook version of Masked Empire?