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[Master Warder Z_]

Why is there no Audiobook version of Masked Empire?

 

...Honestly i have no idea.

 

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[Chari]

That's a lot of assumptions on you're part, you realize?

Much more assumptions on yours
I at least try to prove my point with some basic knowledge of how demons and magic work
So, yeah, the demon couldn't leave the circle and couldn't convince a dalish to release him. He needed an outsider

[Jazzpha]

Honest enough not to tell the uneducated "If you do that, you will release one of the four most powerful demons in existence to do whatever he wants on anyone he encounters".  Michel literally thought he was killing the demon.  He was completely ignorant of what was going to happen.  Felassan refused the opportunity to educate him, and the Dalish paid for Felassan's silence.

 

Very true. Although there was always the question of "Is Felassan actually Dalish?", and I got the sense he didn't care much for that clan, for whatever reason. Not that I condone him basically putting a clan to the sword (and telling Imshael to "Have fun," natch), just musing that he might not have even felt kinship with the Dalish to persuade him to spare them, since he might not even have been Dalish at all.

[FraQ]

...Honestly i have no idea.

 

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They usually hit simultaneously with the paperback.

 

I never read anymore. Seems like a waste of time when I can just listen to the book while I'm stuck at work.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why is there no Audiobook version of Masked Empire?

No idea. Though Lady Insanity is doing a reading of it on her Youtube channel. 

[TK514]

Felassan didn't lie, was not hypocritical and stayed neutral. This I respect unlike constant teenage anger of Michel

 

Now you're just misremembering the scene.  Michel had no anger at all.  He was killing the demon because killing demons is the right thing to do.  And Felassan was anything but neutral.  He had an agenda the entire time, and that agenda was Briala.

[Chari]

Very true. Although there was always the question of "Is Felassan actually Dalish?", and I got the sense he didn't care much for that clan, for whatever reason. Not that I condone him basically putting a clan to the sword (and telling Imshael to "Have fun," natch), just musing that he might not have even felt kinship with the Dalish to persuade him to spare them, since he might not even have been Dalish at all.

He obviously wasn't. And he obviously didn't care about anyone but Briala

[Master Warder Z_]

Much more assumptions on yours
I at least try to prove my point with some basic knowledge of how demons and magic work
So, yeah, the demon couldn't leave the circle and couldn't convince a dalish to release him. He needed an outsider

 

Really? Because you're assumptions all hinge on thing, And unfortunately for you, it hinges on him not being able of exerting power outside of the circle.

 

He was capable of exerting power outside the cage: Confirmed, several times confirmed.

 

Was this power capable enough to effect other sentient beings?: Confirmed, it was.

 

Now presumably i'd guess you could argue he couldn't literally make a person choose the option to release him by force, but he could repeat the option that he did on Michel and that is, play with their mind like it's a stress ball until they did exactly like Michel did.

 

So yeah, Boundless assumptions, which you apparently think are not based on anything, but are in actuality based entirely on things present in the source.

[Chari]

Now you're just misremembering the scene. Michel had no anger at all. He was killing the demon because killing demons is the right thing to do. And Felassan was anything but neutral. He had an agenda the entire time, and that agenda was Briala.

I remember it fine
Michel is full of bitter anger the whole book. He is toxic, kind of like Fenris, but even worse. He hates his elven blood, does everything to keep it as a secret. He is cowardly in a way, like Celene is clingy and Gaspard is stubborn
Michel has no inner warmth and shows genuine kindness only towards his poor horse
He is so teenager-like it hurts. Even Morrigan was more tolerable with her "I know better than you being good is lame!!1"

[Chari]

Really? Because you're assumptions all hinge on thing, And unfortunately for you, it hinges on him not being able of exerting power outside of the circle.

He was capable of exerting power outside the cage: Confirmed, several times confirmed.

Was this power capable enough to effect other sentient beings?: Confirmed, it was.

Now presumably i'd guess you could argue he couldn't literally make a person choose the option to release him by force, but he could repeat the option that he did on Michel and that is, play with their mind like it's a stress ball until they did exactly like Michel did.

So yeah, Boundless assumptions, which you apparently think are not based on anything, but are in actuality based entirely on things present in the source.

I'm not an assumption, silly
My assumptions come from the book itself
Don't mistake being able to use power outside of the circle for being able to leave it
I never said he couldn't control people outside, on the contrary, I pointed it out
But I also pointed out that he still was limited in his powers and could not leave the circle. That is a quite common concept of a demon stuck in a cage
He definitely wanted to leave and slaughter poor dalish
So what was stopping him? Michel didn't really give any proper entertaining. Or Ishmael has a very bad taste in manipulating mortals. Slaughtering the elves would go the same way, earlier or later
Which means that the dalish themselves could not get manipulated by him into releasing him. The camp was guarded good enough, like all dalish' ones are
Which means that if Celene and her pawns didn't meet the clan, it would take some time for Imshael to find an outsider who would release him

[DannyDaManny]

I remember it fine
Michel is full of bitter anger the whole book. He is toxic, kind of like Fenris, but even worse. He hates his elven blood, does everything to keep it as a secret. He is cowardly in a way, like Celene is clingy and Gaspard is stubborn
Michel has no inner warmth and shows genuine kindness only towards his poor horse
He is so teenager-like it hurts. Even Morrigan was more tolerable with her "I know better than you being good is lame!!1"

Words cannot describe how much I disagree with you, but I guess that's your opinion....

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Gaspard only started to move in 9:38, two years before, when he was finally convinced that Celene was too weak to rule Orlais and that finally he could save the Empire himself. It seems that prior to 9:38 where it is stated : " Unrest brews in Orlais as Grand Duke Gaspard de Chalons stirs dissent against reigning Empress Celene I. "  Gaspard didn't plot against her. Gaspard was certainly bitter because 20 years ago he was beaten by an adolescent, but it's likely he didn't move before 9:38 .

 

Also let's not kid ourself, if Gaspard didn't win, it's only because Celene is lucky as hell. Without the Eluvians, she would have been cornered, Gaspard with his troops were just behind and they found the Dalish Clan. His plan was perfect.

 

Clearly twenty years ago Celene was playing the game very well, she didn't have the best claim to the throne so obviously there would have been plenty of nobles plotting against her, all of whom failed.

 

From the codex: "Celene quickly proved that it was exactly where she belonged. The mad Florian's rule had brought the empire to the brink of collapse. Celene was its savior. Orlais has never been quite so peaceful or prosperous as it is now." 

Seems to me Empress Celene was a good ruler and brought on something of a golden age for Orlais. Gaspard probably couldn't have made a move against her at that point because she was too popular. So it took twenty years for Celene to give Gaspard an opening to make a move against her? My point is she couldn't be stupid. Part of the reason Gaspard was able to act against Celene was mage/templar tension so Gaspard was pretty lucky that Anders was mental. Clearly Celene underestimated Gaspard and indeed his plan was very good but I don't think there is a such thing as a perfect plan there are just too many variables its not possible account for them all.

[Chari]

Clearly twenty years ago Celene was playing the game very well, she didn't have the best claim to the throne so obviously there would have been plenty of nobles plotting against her, all of whom failed.

From the codex: "Celene quickly proved that it was exactly where she belonged. The mad Florian's rule had brought the empire to the brink of collapse. Celene was its savior. Orlais has never been quite so peaceful or prosperous as it is now."
Seems to me Empress Celene was a good ruler and brought on something of a golden age for Orlais. Gaspard probably couldn't have made a move against her at that point because she was too popular. So it took twenty years for Celene to give Gaspard an opening to make a move against her? My point is she couldn't be stupid. Part of the reason Gaspard was able to act against Celene was mage/templar tension so Gaspard was pretty lucky that Anders was mental. Clearly Celene underestimated Gaspard and indeed his plan was very good but I don't think there is a such thing as a perfect plan there are just too many variables its not possible account for them all.

Celene in the book changed from smart to stupid in matters of a page
If the author fails to show the brilliance of a character, then it is the author's fault
Because if it wasn't for Michel, Briala and Felassan Celene would be dead by the middle of the book, or earlier

[Sylvianus]

Clearly twenty years ago Celene was playing the game very well, she didn't have the best claim to the throne so obviously there would have been plenty of nobles plotting against her, all of whom failed.

 

From the codex: "Celene quickly proved that it was exactly where she belonged. The mad Florian's rule had brought the empire to the brink of collapse. Celene was its savior. Orlais has never been quite so peaceful or prosperous as it is now." 

Seems to me Empress Celene was a good ruler and brought on something of a golden age for Orlais. Gaspard probably couldn't have made a move against her at that point because she was too popular. So it took twenty years for Celene to give Gaspard an opening to make a move against her? My point is she couldn't be stupid. Part of the reason Gaspard was able to act against Celene was mage/templar tension so Gaspard was pretty lucky that Anders was mental. Clearly Celene underestimated Gaspard and indeed his plan was very good but I don't think there is a such thing as a perfect plan there are just too many variables its not possible account for them all.

 

I'd say Celene had Briala for 20 years, the real master of the game behind her, ( it's thanks to Briala that Celene satisfied the son of Lady Jeannevieve, the son of lady Mantillon, won the hearts of noble men ) and we have seen what happens without Briala at her side, she is lost. I agree however that there's no perfect plan, with Briala, together, Gaspard's plan could have failed. 

[rolson00]

I'd say Celene had Briala for 20 years, the real master of the game behind her, ( it's thanks to Briala that Celene satisfied the son of Lady Jeannevieve, the son of lady Mantillon, won the hearts of noble men ) and we have seen what happens without Briala at her side, she is lost. I agree however that there's no perfect plan, with Briala, together, Gaspard's plan could have failed. 

yea without her elven lover the empress was so easy to fool.

As a massive elf supporter i would say its is the dalish clans own fault for summoning a demon in da lore they arnt known to be happy about being trapped or controled wardens keep anyone?

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I'd say Celene had Briala for 20 years, the real master of the game behind her, ( it's thanks to Briala that Celene satisfied the son of Lady Jeannevieve, the son of lady Mantillon, won the hearts of noble men ) and we have seen what happens without Briala at her side, she is lost. I agree however that there's no perfect plan, with Briala, together, Gaspard's plan could have failed. 

 

Yeah Briala was definitely better at the game than Celene. Briala seemed to have that Sherlock Holmes super observant thing going on. Celene was fairly good at reading people but she couldn't do what Briala could. I must say I'm surprised Briala didn't realise Celene was keeping a secret from her for all those years, perhaps it was just that Briala didn't want to believe something so awful about the woman she loved.

[Jazzpha]

Yeah Briala was definitely better at the game than Celene. Briala seemed to have that Sherlock Holmes super observant thing going on. Celene was fairly good at reading people but she couldn't do what Briala could. I must say I'm surprised Briala didn't realise Celene was keeping a secret from her for all those years, perhaps it was just that Briala didn't want to believe something so awful about the woman she loved.

I think Briala was too traumatized at the time to realize what was going on, so it took her years and years of removal before she could be objective enough to realize what had happened. Also, she needed that extra little push from Gaspard.

[Altima Darkspells]

Yeah Briala was definitely better at the game than Celene. Briala seemed to have that Sherlock Holmes super observant thing going on. Celene was fairly good at reading people but she couldn't do what Briala could. I must say I'm surprised Briala didn't realise Celene was keeping a secret from her for all those years, perhaps it was just that Briala didn't want to believe something so awful about the woman she loved.

The reason given that Briala is so good at reading people is that most of the Orlesian nobility seem to interact with each other when they're wearing masks that they forget to hide their facial cues without wearing them. It's entirely possible that, as Empress, Celene would only interact with non-allies in a formal setting, so she wouldn't necessarily be able to develop this skill or keep it handy.

[ObserverStatus]

I never read this book, but based on your descriptions, but based on your descriptions, I may end up playing as an elemental mage for my first game. Orlais needs to be killed with fire.

[rolson00]

In the game im really hoping you can give the "game" the middle finger and just waltz up to same a hole messing you around and run them through a sort of we're the inquisition we dont have to play the the"rules"

[Jedi Master of Orion]

And your fine with the Dalish summoning it in the first place? They brought one of the strongest demon's in existence into the waking world, and you blame the man who has dedicated his life to vanquishing it at fault for it being there?

You call Chevin's an idiot, I'd say that title rests solely with the dalish idiots who summoned the demon.

No it's definitely his fault. The Dailish Clan may have been supremely reckless, but he was still trapped. He was freed directly and specifically because Michel was a dupe. And because Felassan was evil, of course.

[Master Warder Z_]

No it's definitely his fault. The Dailish Clan may have been supremely reckless, but he was still trapped. He was freed directly and specifically because Michel was a dupe. And because Felassan was evil, of course.

 

He was trapped, but he could exercise his power certainly, hence my uncertainty that he was even "trapped" or rather just waiting for something interesting to happen and then be "freed".

 

That said the logic here is hilarious.

 

The Dalish left out a pound of C4 and a Detonator

 

Michel a man with no explosive knowledge comes and picks up said detonator and activates it.

 

Honestly, this would be a definite case of entrapment if it ever went to court, but whatever, He was a "dupe".

[StrangeStrategy]

And your fine with the Dalish summoning it in the first place? They brought one of the strongest demon's in existence into the waking world, and you blame the man who has dedicated his life to vanquishing it at fault for it being there?

 

You call Chevin's an idiot, I'd say that title rests solely with the dalish idiots who summoned the demon.

 

Never said I was okay with that. The Nature of the Dalish is that each clan is differnet; the result of them being split apart. Marethari's clan was strictly against demons and spirits, and wanted nothing to do with them. Clan Virnehn summoned a powerful demon... and attempted to interrogate it. Dumb idea. Dumb clan.

But believing that destroying a rock (thus opening the circle) would destroy a demon was pretty foolish. Michel lacked common sense. Everyone (Especially the Empress's bodyguard) should know that a demon twists its words and tricks you. And maybe if the Clan's plans weren't upset, they could have banished it safely into the fade once they were done with it.
BTW, its not "Chevin" anymore, he sort of lost that, and his title.

[rolson00]

No it's definitely his fault. The Dailish Clan may have been supremely reckless, but he was still trapped. He was freed directly and specifically because Michel was a dupe. And because Felassan was evil, of course.

This is true but one thing remains he wanted the best for the elves and believes briala can deliver the best furture i really want to know who he was serving

[LobselVith8]

No it's definitely his fault. The Dailish Clan may have been supremely reckless, but he was still trapped. He was freed directly and specifically because Michel was a dupe. And because Felassan was evil, of course.

 

Absolutely. You can blame Thelhen of Clan Virnehn for summoning the spirit of choice (and violating the ethos of the Dalish in the process), but Imshael was specifically released by Michel.