OH, I forgot about Chevin's deal with Briala. That makes a lot of sense.
Who thinks we'll see Briala in the game?? I really hope so. I would be surprised if she doesn't appear.
Does anyone want Briala and Celene back together? Those days seem long gone but they make a deliciously f'd up couple.
I require them back together.
Before TME I probably would have supported Celene.
Now if I can't put Michel on the throne I'd probably stay neutral.
Before TME I probably would have supported Celene.
Now if I can't put Michel on the throne I'd probably stay neutral.
Only once he repudiates his chevalier status and atones for the fiendish acts he committed to achieve it.
Only once he repudiates his chevalier status and atones for the fiendish acts he committed to achieve it.
Well, having read the book.... 
Close enough imo
Well, having read the book....
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Close enough imo
Not quite. I would charge him to do something about the chevaliers themselves as well. Especially because I do not see suicide as redemption, so he'd have to work with other people on it.
Not quite. I would charge him to do something about the chevaliers themselves as well. Especially because I do not see suicide as redemption, so he'd have to work with other people on it.
That's a lot to ask. The chevaliers are an Orlesian institution. The empire itself will have to drastically change to bring that about. And it would likely take multiple generations for such changes to set in. Frankly none of the contenders for the throne have that kind of power, even if they were inclined to exert it in such a way.
That's a lot to ask.
It takes a lot to make up for racially motivated mass murder.
My elf inquisitor ( third playthrough ) won't know who is Gaspard, the only thing she'll probably learn is that Celene killed thousands of elves in Halamshiral. So, I'll judge in the game who is the best for her interests. As for who has begun the civil war between humans, I don't think my Dalish Pc will care about that. If I can make a deal with both leaders, I don't see why I couldn't side with Gaspard. He seems to be less untrustworthy than Celene anyway.
True, but we might be able to talk to NPC's to get the gist of what happened. Celene is still in power so she'll have pundits to get the news around.
But what happened according to you ? She is responsible. She decided to kill thousands of elves, and she didn't wait a few seconds to take that decision, Gaspard 's trap doesn't really change anything. Celene crushed the rebellion against her, not Gaspard. She could have waited as it was planned with Briala, she didn't, too afraid to lose her power.
I really hope that Celene won't tell to my inquisitor, " it isn't my fault, " as she used to tell in the book to everyone. My inquisitor even knowing her " version " couldn't know if Celene is lying to her.
I would probably side with Celene, or Briala and not Gaspard.
But, I don't know enough as I never read the book, and apparently She killed thousands of elves?
I will just kill all three and rule Orlais myself then. 
Rebels. She killed thousands of rebels.
But what happened according to you ? She is responsible. She decided to kill thousands of elves, and she didn't wait a few seconds to take that decision, Gaspard 's trap doesn't really change anything. Celene crushed the rebellion against her, not Gaspard. She could have waited as it was planned with Briala, she didn't, too afraid to lose her power.
I really hope that Celene won't tell to my inquisitor, " it isn't my fault, " as she used to tell in the book to everyone. My inquisitor even knowing her " version " couldn't know if Celene is lying to her.
Here is the thing Celene isn't a war monger she is concerned with her legacy and in her own words whe wants it to be cultured and universitys and so forth, Gespard on the other hand is a war monger he wants to expand the boarders Nirvania and especially Ferelden. Flip side Celene wont keep a deal she is a oportunist killing anyone and doing anything to get results she promised to give Briala time to handle the problem quietly and justly (as justly as possible at least) but the first moment trouble came she didn't try anything else but went straight to genocide. Gespard however kept his word he let the capture prisoner have a honored death in battle because it was his right, and was responible for his own man killing him when he broken the truce and tried to kill celene when they had a truce in the eluvian path. So both are fairly bad, as for Briala she has potential but she wants to help her people (all elves all types) but it is to soon to say support her because I don't have any info on her methods. So in the end I would support Gespard because I think he has a potential for compasion even he dosen't know about as in were he still says Micheal is a chaviler and worthy of it regardles, his suprise at Celenes genocide, and the fact he felt pity for elves after the demon had their way on them.
I would probably side with Celene, or Briala and not Gaspard.
But, I don't know enough as I never read the book, and apparently She killed thousands of elves?
Celene killed thousands of elves in Halamshiral to quiet her detractors, while Gaspard is a warmonger. I don't think either of them deserve the throne. Optimally, there will be a third choice, like Briala, or the option to simply refuse to help either one secure the throne.
My opinion has change since first hearing of Gaspard in Asunder I support both and I'm going let their in game actions and the actions of those who support them
Celene having Comte Peirre of Halamshiral a guy I like and believe is a man who is trying to protect every one in his city even the elves while rebelling or at least going in a burning it to the ground and Lady Seryl who seem like a smart and tactical mind being a tad ruthless and a little info we had from Asunder The Marquis de Chevin, one of Celene’s closest allies, rallied several of the northern Orlesian nobles and their forces at Val Royeaux to support her including Ghyslain, Morrac, and the Countess d’Argen
The only people we know who actually supported him was are dead and were horrible people only in for power and revenge
If at all possible, kill briala, choose gaspard, convince possible elven factions to side with gaspard, spare celene.
Seems like a favorable option.
Or maybe an Celene+briala and her elves run if briala is immediately helpful to the inquisition. Because if not, death to (that particular) knife ear!
Rebels. She killed thousands of rebels.
no thats the thing, the rebels were theives useing the rooftops for quick escape not to mention all those elves that were lilled were woman and children in the fire in the book poeple could hardly breath because of burning flesh. Im with Sylianus
Celene killed thousands of elves in Halamshiral to quiet her detractors, while Gaspard is a warmonger. I don't think either of them deserve the throne. Optimally, there will be a third choice, like Briala, or the option to simply refuse to help either one secure the throne.
I think a possible third option would be both, even if I don't think it's very likely to happen. "Neither" hasn't been a choice in any Bioware game so far.
This is my opinion as of right now, because I obviously have no in game knowledge.Why do you not like Briala?
lol ) and that a group of elves is responsible for a large amount of their losses, which would lead to (IMO) huge crackdowns on the elves an even further discrimination and Halamshiral repeats all over Orlais.
I think a possible third option would be both, even if I don't think it's very likely to happen. "Neither" hasn't been a choice in any Bioware game so far.
Ignoring certain regions is already an option in Inquisition, like the Highlands. People have also commented on how the developers said spirits can win (I'd presume in certain areas). There seems to be variances already from the two previous Dragon Age games. I'd also think that Briala seems like the most plausible alternative to either Celene or Gaspard, given her interest in helping the elves. There are plenty of reasons why a Vashoth or a Dalish may simply be disinclined to help save the status quo of Orlais (especially an elven Inquisitor, given their historical animosity towards one another), and if Briala is actively working to help free the elves from a horrific system that they've had to endure for almost a thousand years, I'd say it would make sense to provide her faction as another option in the Orlesian region. Help weaken Celene and Gaspard's forces, have the Inquisition work with the elves to take action, and make a significant impact that would have a positive and irrevocably change for the elves in the region.
Helping restore the status quo where elves were subject to abuse, rape, murder, and purges seems so incredibly pointless to me.
Helping restore the status quo where elves were subject to abuse, rape, murder, and purges seems so incredibly pointless to me.
You are absolutely going to hate this game if your hopes regarding this third choice don't bear fruit, aren't you?
At least lob didn't say that picking such an option was repugnant lolYou are absolutely going to hate this game if your hopes regarding this third choice don't bear fruit, aren't you?
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