You are absolutely going to hate this game if your hopes regarding this third choice don't bear fruit, aren't you?
I find the Orlesian Empire to be sufficiently horrible enough that I don't have the slightest inclination to help see the system remain intact.
I find the Orlesian Empire to be sufficiently horrible enough that I don't have the slightest inclination to help see the system remain intact.
Well, that was a complete non-answer. 
Well, that was a complete non-answer.
If 1/3rd of Inquisition involved taking action to restore a human empire that should be dismantled, I'd probably reconsider purchasing the game. I'm not into playing games that don't entertain me, or with choices that are asinine when there are valid alternatives. It would be like purchasing a Dragon Age game that forced me to play as a mage and help restore the status quo of the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars.
If 1/3rd of Inquisition involved taking action to restore a human empire that should be dismantled, I'd probably reconsider purchasing the game. I'm not into playing games that don't entertain me, or with choices that are asinine when there are valid alternatives. It would be like purchasing a Dragon Age game that forced me to play as a mage and help restore the status quo of the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars.
Well you did it in dao. 
Well you did it in dao.
Stopping a threat to mages and templars isn't quite the same thing, and my protagonist was able to help the Mages Collective aid apostates who were living outside the Chantry controlled Circle.
When all was said and done, my Surana Warden asked for the Magi Boon, which resulted in Cullen losing his mind and becoming a madman, and the Circle of Orzammar not being created despite Dagna's research. For a brief time (which was until the developers handwaved this), my protagonist changed the status quo for his people.
If 1/3rd of Inquisition involved taking action to restore a human empire that should be dismantled, I'd probably reconsider purchasing the game. I'm not into playing games that don't entertain me, or with choices that are asinine when there are valid alternatives. It would be like purchasing a Dragon Age game that forced me to play as a mage and help restore the status quo of the Chantry controlled Circles and the Order of Templars.
Hmm. I certainly hope the other 2/3rds offer you something to sink your teeth into, then, just in case.
Stopping a threat to mages and templars isn't quite the same thing, and my protagonist was able to help the Mages Collective aid apostates who were living outside the Chantry controlled Circle.
When all was said and done, my Surana Warden asked for the Magi Boon, which resulted in Cullen losing his mind and becoming a madman, and the Circle of Orzammar not being created despite Dagna's research. For a brief time (which was until the developers handwaved this), my protagonist changed the status quo for his people.
Still you never could fight for mages freedom or independence through you still had to gain support circle and status quo you just could decide if you want kill mages or not when mages collective were side quest and they didn't fought for mages freedom (same you may able to help elves in side quest).But in the end you may be forced to support celene or gaspard that may don't change elves situation just to gain forces on your side.Of course i myself hope they won't force me into such thing but they may do that.
Pretty much for all fighting for mages is small situation in the end that you said with boon.
Hmm. I certainly hope the other 2/3rds offer you something to sink your teeth into, then, just in case.
That would mainly depend on the agency to help support mage autonomy for Grand Enchanter Fiona's people, and the options available for the elves in the Dales, from the elven inhabitants of the nation to the Dalish who are currently there.
Having to make a choice between two horrible people, and then play hours of the story to help that person secure the throne, just doesn't sound appealing.
But that's entirely subjective. Some people may find the plot line incredibly intriguing, even while disliking the characters. I get where you're coming from, but also, you can say that about any section of origins or DA2. It's not appealing to you....but honestly, your ideal version of thedas probably isn't that appealing to many people either(if only because there would be nothing exciting happening and somehow thedas would turn from a feudal society into a egalitarian utopia)That would mainly depend on the agency to help support mage autonomy for Grand Enchanter Fiona's people, and the options available for the elves in the Dales, from the elven inhabitants of the nation to the Dalish who are currently there.
Having to make a choice between two horrible people, and then play hours of the story to help that person secure the throne, just doesn't sound appealing.
Still you never could fight for mages freedom or independence through you still had to gain support circle and status quo you just could decide if you want kill mages or not when mages collective were side quest and they didn't fought for mages freedom (same you may able to help elves in side quest).But in the end you may be forced to support celene or gaspard that may don't change elves situation just to gain forces on your side.Of course i myself hope they won't force me into such thing but they may do that.
Pretty much for all fighting for mages is small situation in the end that you said with boon.
True, my Surana Warden couldn't specifically fight for mage autonomy, but I thought the task of ending the Fifth Blight was a noble one, and it interested me as a player who walked in blind to the game. The darkspawn were a malevolent force that threatened everyone in the kingdom, and it was up to you to stop it before the threat overwhelmed all life in the nation. However, the Mages Collective did represent an opportunity to help a group of people who were dedicated to helping the mages living outside Chantry control, so there were avenues to assist the mages.
The Orlesian story in Inquisition (as carried over from "The Masked Empire") doesn't hold the same interest to me, because I don't think the system is worth saving, nor do I like the current candidates. In contrast, Queen Anora and King Alistair are progressive enough that I think positive outcomes can transpire once they take the throne, since both of them want to see things improve for the elves, and both want to help the lot of mages. In comparison, I find Gaspard and Celene incredibly unlikable, and I don't feel that either one deserves to sit on the Orlesian throne.
What's being proposed by some people - the idea that Briala might be a default enemy who the protagonist will have to strike down for having the audacity to oppose the oppression of her people, or that the story will force the main character into siding with Celene or Gaspard - is something that doesn't sound fun to me. I'm not going to have fun playing as protagonist and helping restore an empire of institutionalized racism. It would be as much as fun as playing New Vegas as a woman and being forced to help Caesar's Legion because the Plot Dictates.
But that's entirely subjective. Some people may find the plot line incredibly intriguing, even while disliking the characters. I get where you're coming from, but also, you can say that about any section of origins or DA2. It's not appealing to you....but honestly, your ideal version of thedas probably isn't that appealing to many people either(if only because there would be nothing exciting happening and somehow thedas would turn from a feudal society into a egalitarian utopia)
I don't recall asking for the exclusion of siding with Celene or Gaspard, but rather expressing an interest in having an option not to pursue it, or a third option.
Also, having options that aren't Andrastian human centric (like siding with Briala instead of Celene or Gaspard) or choices aren't in support of a system that's horribly broken has nothing to do with some "idealized version of Thedas", but rather it's an issue of the player having agency to pursue courses of action that make sense for the protagonist within the context of the story.
I have a hard time seeing the game working like that Lob. I imagine something more like NCR VS The Legion, and briala is the securitrons. But the problem is, she is causing chaos/disrupting things, and intends to prolong the war in any way possible. She doesn't have to be an enemy, but she (as far as the book infers) is antagonistic.
How Briala is viewed depends entirely on the player, and their protagonist's point of view. And I'm thinking the preferred alternative for Briala would be more along the lines of Yes Man, although Celene and Gaspard feels like choosing between Caesar and Lanius of the Legion.
Because the vast majority of people probably view "big Orlesian armies" as more important that "elf rights" when fighting demons. Not saying it's bad or wrong to hold other views, just saying that while dealing/siding with her in the game will probably be an option, I can't imagine her being cast as an immediate ally(ala the DAO werewolves)
As long as there's an option that doesn't railroad the player into siding with either Celene or Gaspard simply because the script calls for it.
Given that the Inquisitor's job is to restore order to Thedas, it seems like a warmonger like Gaspard and Briala should be out by default. But Gaspard seemed the most self aware of the three of them, so he may change his long term goals in light of the veil tears. Briala could too, but it seems less likely given that her plan was still endorsed by Felassan, who knew they were coming.
This is an RPG, where the character is supposed to be shaped and molded by the player, rather than a 'static' character who is predefined by the developers. I'm not seeing why every single Inquisitor should share the same mindset; some might see this crisis as an opportunity to bring about some change, rather than helping bring everything back to the way it was.
But it doesn't seem to make sense in the context of the story to try to bring down Orlais while the world is descending into chaos. They are the strongest force there is that could restore order.
It makes perfect sense in the context of certain characters who have no interest in helping the Orlesian Empire continue standing.
Destroying Orlais is not the point of the game and actively counterproductive to the Inquisition's primary objective.
Saving Orlais isn't the point of Inquisition, either. Having the option to either side with an alternative party, or simply not help Celene or Gaspard take the throne, would fit with the immersion of players who want to play as a character who isn't interested in helping Orlais for a myriad of reasons.
Well I never liked Orlais and that Empire either needs a complete reform or to be dismantled. But yeah,the Masked Empire changed who I would support because while I'd still rather have neither Gaspard nor Celene on the throne I would now definitely support Gaspard.
Celene turns out to be a pretty despicable person early on in the book and just worsens throughout the book. I don't like Gaspards beliefes but he is at least honest (and in his own way even honorable)
Saving Orlais isn't the point of Inquisition, either. Having the option to either side with an alternative party, or simply not help Celene or Gaspard take the throne, would fit with the immersion of players who aren't interested in helping Orlais for a myriad of reasons.
This is an RPG, where the character is supposed to be shaped and molded by the player, rather than a 'static' character who is predefined by the developers. I'm not seeing why every single Inquisitor should share the same mindset; some might see this crisis as an opportunity to bring about some change, rather than helping bring everything back to the way it was.
It makes perfect sense in the context of certain characters who have no interest in helping the Orlesian Empire continue standing.
I understand we're you're coming for. However, this is not just a RPG. This is a Bioware RPG. The limits are there.
What about Wardens who didn't want to be a Warden? Not only do they have to lead the Grey, but if they don't sacrifice themselves they will rule the order in Amaranthine. A change of heart, perhaps? Or what about City Elves who hated Ferelden? Casteless who hated Orzammar? Mages who hated the Circle? Or better yet, Hawke. Why couldn't he back to Ferelden once he got the money? Why couldn't he join the Arishok? Why couldn't he pull a coup d'etat since many nobles wanted him to rule? Why couldn't he abandon both Templars and Mages instead of picking a side?
I wish we had more freedom, I agree with you on that. But it's just a wish. I don't expect much from Inquisition in that regard.
For example, let's take another heated conflict: Mages versus Templars. I saw the information (in fact, I knew of its existence thanks to you) about the Inquisitor picking sides and being able to do it early in the game. What about people who find the Orlesian Civil War much more interesting and meaningful and would want the two magical sides to go kill themselves, especially after DA2?
Orlais is the strongest nation in a Thedas fighting demon hordes and constitutes at least half of our playing area. Destabilizing the region further is literally the exact opposite of the Inquisition mandate. There are certain inequalities you just aren't going to be able to fix. Elf Wardens still had to save a nation that oppressed their people in the first game.
But... I am making Orlais stronger. I'm excising the cancerous growth that has been killing the land and her people.
The Maker is the only ruler Thedas needs.
Orlais is the strongest nation in a Thedas fighting demon hordes and constitutes at least half of our playing area. Destabilizing the region further is literally the exact opposite of the Inquisition mandate. There are certain inequalities you just aren't going to be able to fix. Elf Wardens still had to save a nation that oppressed their people in the first game.
The elven Wardens weren't presented with an alternative, but that's not necessarily the case, given what we know from "The Masked Empire"; Briala is actively working to bring about a positive change for the elves with her actions. I can imagine an elven Inquisitor could share her interest in seeing things improve for the elves, and I can see the same character not having an interest in helping the Orlesian Empire stay afloat after what was historically done to the Dales and the elves.
I understand we're you're coming for. However, this is not just a RPG. This is a Bioware RPG. The limits are there.
What about Wardens who didn't want to be a Warden? Not only do they have to lead the Grey, but if they don't sacrifice themselves they will rule the order in Amaranthine. A change of heart, perhaps? Or what about City Elves who hated Ferelden? Casteless who hated Orzammar? Mages who hated the Circle? Or better yet, Hawke. Why couldn't he back to Ferelden once he got the money? Why couldn't he join the Arishok? Why couldn't he pull a coup d'etat since many nobles wanted him to rule? Why couldn't he abandon both Templars and Mages instead of picking a side?
I wish we had more freedom, I agree with you on that. But it's just a wish. I don't expect much from Inquisition in that regard.
For example, let's take another heated conflict: Mages versus Templars. I saw the information (in fact, I knew of its existence thanks to you) about the Inquisitor picking sides and being able to do it early in the game. What about people who find the Orlesian Civil War much more interesting and meaningful and would want the two magical sides to go kill themselves, especially after DA2?
As i hate it pretty much bio may pull it off my warden didn't had any intrest in being warden and didn't care about them and left them in epilogue.Then in daa from nowhere came back to wardens (still you could say it is only temporary and epilogue was that my warden left again so i hope they will respect at least that).
If they want force you to help orlais they will wheter it have sense or not at best you can count they won't or give you alternatives that satisfy you/
All I can say, Lob, is don't pre-order. Maybe wait a week or so for Orlais spoilers because I'm pretty sure if you're basing your decision on not helping Orlais, you're going to be disappointed.
As i hate it pretty much bio may pull it off my warden didn't had any intrest in being warden and didn't care about them and left them in epilogue.Then in daa from nowhere came back to wardens (still you could say it is only temporary and epilogue was that my warden left again so i hope they will respect at least that).
If they want force you to help orlais they will wheter it have sense or not at best you can count they won't or give you alternatives that satisfy you/
Ehh. I'd say that's your fault for designing a character that didn't fit in the game world. In a game about Grey Wardens, why would you choose to play someone who doesn't like the Wardens?
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