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[Mistic]

Mm, I'm thinking of something. Now that we know that the Human Inquisitor will be a Free Marcher, we won't have an Orlesian Inquisitor, will we? As in "culturally Orlesian" (the Dalish Inquisitor may have been born in Orlesian territory, but it's not the same).

 

That means that, whatever the Orlesian conflict is, we're going to see it from outside. No Celene or Gaspard loyalist, no City Elf fighting for their freedom, the conflicts in TME might not relate especifically to any of the Inquisitors. I could be wrong, though, because we still don't know much about the backgrounds.

 

Ehh. I'd say that's your fault for designing a character that didn't fit in the game world. In a game about Grey Wardens, why would you choose to play someone who doesn't like the Wardens?

 

I know I created one, and it was my most entertaining playthrough. Playing against type can be interesting, and in fact the game acknowledged it by having the Right of Conscription. The rest has to be rationalized, but it's not hard after Ostagar: you have seen first hand what the Darkspawn are capable of, so even the most coward Warden may accept that helping a bit would be advisable.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ehh. I'd say that's your fault for designing a character that didn't fit in the game world. In a game about Grey Wardens, why would you choose to play someone who doesn't like the Wardens?

Many reasons they forced your pc into joining , you don't agree with their views , philosophy or how organisation works and many other reasons take your pick.It fits to the game word problem that devs didn't respected that. Pretty much it would be like saying that it is my fault that my character embraced sith philosophy because in dlc devs went lazy and forced me to work for jedi. Besides it wasn't game about grey wardens it was game about destroying bligt/saving the world not grey wardens in fact you don't have to be part of grey wardens only have taint in your veins.

[The Hierophant]

The elven Wardens weren't presented with an alternative, but that's not necessarily the case, given what we know from "The Masked Empire"; Briala is actively working to bring about a positive change for the elves with her actions. I can imagine an elven Inquisitor could share her interest in seeing things improve for the elves, and I can see the same character not having an interest in helping the Orlesian Empire stay afloat after what was historically done to the Dales and the elves.

Briala still needs either Celene's or Gaspard's influence to better the lives of the elves. Orlais going under would leave it vunerable to Tevinter or Nevarra, and a successful invasion from any of the two would render her plot moot.

[LobselVith8]

Briala still needs either Celene's or Gaspard's influence to better the lives of the elves. Orlais going under would leave it vunerable to Tevinter or Nevarra, and a successful invasion from any of the two would render her plot moot.

 

We really don't know the full extent of Briala's plan, but she did say that she ultimately refused to side with Celene towards the conclusion of "The Masked Empire" because Celene would go back on her word the moment it threatened her position of power; I'm not seeing how that would change with either contender if the goal was to side with one or the other.

[TK514]

Briala still needs either Celene's or Gaspard's influence to better the lives of the elves. Orlais going under would leave it vunerable to Tevinter or Nevarra, and a successful invasion from any of the two would render her plot moot.

 

That particular application of the Law of Unintended Consequences would be pretty amazing.

[TK514]

We really don't know the full extent of Briala's plan, but she did say that she ultimately refused to side with Celene towards the conclusion of "The Masked Empire" because Celene would go back on her word the moment it threatened her position of power; I'm not seeing how that would change with either contender if the goal was to side with one or the other.

 

Because we've been shown that Gaspard keeps his word when he gives it.  If he had reason to make cause with the elves, he would uphold his end of the bargain.

[Xilizhra]

Because we've been shown that Gaspard keeps his word when he gives it.  If he had reason to make cause with the elves, he would uphold his end of the bargain.

Why would he ever have any?

[Palidane]

Why would he ever have any?

Demons. Demons everywhere!

[Xilizhra]

Demons. Demons everywhere!

It seems likely he'd prefer to continue his "Orlais stronk!" attitude, to be honest. Unless he could use the elves as cannon fodder.

[ButterRum]

It will be interesting to see how Celene handles the PR with the elves. She ordered the stop to the elven rebellion in Halamshiral, and later promised to Briala that she would see the elves get rights. So, it will be a hard selling point to the elves. _But_, Orlais is not a democracy, so majority opinion is moot during her rule, so she can really do whatever the hell she wants without having to "sell" any idea she has.

Gaspard would have ordered the end of the elven rebellion if he were in power, too. So this whole, "Gaspard is a better leader than Celene" doesn't make much sense. Orlais had been very peaceful under Celene's rule until Gaspard wanted war because he thought Orlais appeared too lenient with the elves.

Celene isn't a terrible leader, and she has just as much "honor" as Gaspard, even though she's not a chevalier. There were multiple occasions she could have killed Gaspard and ended it, but she kept it honest. She even had an opportunity to hex Chevin and hurt Gaspard with magic, but she refused and said that she didn't want to insult Chevin's honor.

[LobselVith8]

Because we've been shown that Gaspard keeps his word when he gives it.  If he had reason to make cause with the elves, he would uphold his end of the bargain.

 

Gaspard's interest in invading Ferelden to unite Orlais (as initially showcased with the stunt he pulled with Teagan) is the kind of mentality that I take issue with.

[Palidane]

Many reasons they forced your pc into joining , you don't agree with their views , philosophy or how organisation works and many other reasons take your pick.It fits to the game word problem that devs didn't respected that. Pretty much it would be like saying that it is my fault that my character embraced sith philosophy because in dlc devs went lazy and forced me to work for jedi. Besides it wasn't game about grey wardens it was game about destroying bligt/saving the world not grey wardens in fact you don't have to be part of grey wardens only have taint in your veins.

Having the taint makes you a Grey Warden.

 

That makes no sense. That's like playing Call of Duty and and complaining that you have to be a soldier. What the heck did you expect? That DAO, the game about the Blight, would let you bail and move to Antiva?

[TK514]

Why would he ever have any?

 

Maybe you missed the giant hole in the sky and how demons are invading?  I suspect the developers are still making a game about stopping a threat to the entire world.

[Palidane]

It seems likely he'd prefer to continue his "Orlais stronk!" attitude, to be honest. Unless he could use the elves as cannon fodder.

Above all else, Gaspard is a pragmatic man. Orlais is going to need archers to fight the demons. The Dalish have archers. I don't think he'll resist their inclusion in Team Reality too much.

[TK514]

Gaspard would have ordered the end of the elven rebellion if he were in power, too. So this whole, "Gaspard is a better leader than Celene" doesn't make much sense. Orlais had been very peaceful under Celene's rule until Gaspard wanted war because he thought Orlais appeared too lenient with the elves.
 

 

Gaspard's interest in invading Ferelden to unite Orlais (as initially showcased with the stunt he pulled with Teagan) is the kind of mentality that I take issue with.

 

You both missed the reason Gaspard wanted to invade Ferelden.  And you're acting as though Orlais will be in any position to entertain such adventurism after a Civil War and a demonic invasion.

 

I'd think Gaspard's anti-Chantry stance and willingness to work with apostates would have endeared him to some of the pro-Mage crowd.

[ButterRum]

You both missed the reason Gaspard wanted to invade Ferelden. And you're acting as though Orlais will be in any position to entertain such adventurism after a Civil War and a demonic invasion.

I'd think Gaspard's anti-Chantry stance and willingness to work with apostates would have endeared him to some of the pro-Mage crowd.

What is the point of invading Ferelden other than getting more land and having more angry Fereldans wanting Orlais dead?

Also, I was talking about Halamshiral, not Ferelden.

Gaspard starting a civil war has put Orlais in more danger than ever with the new demonic invasion, the civil war, and the mages vs Templars war, by the way.

[Palidane]

What is the point of invading Ferelden other than getting more land and having more angry Fereldans wanting Orlais dead?

Also, I was talking about Halamshiral, not Ferelden.

Unify Orlais against a common enemy. But also land and angered Fereldens.

[The Hierophant]

We really don't know the full extent of Briala's plan, but she did say that she ultimately refused to side with Celene towards the conclusion of "The Masked Empire" because Celene would go back on her word the moment it threatened her position of power; I'm not seeing how that would change with either contender if the goal was to side with one or the other.

I think she got that covered as she plans to leave both sides so desperate they'll genuinely want the elves' help, and give them what they want when asked afterwards. The civil war's victor should have little resistance in granting the elves power and rights since any protest against the monarchy can be easily construed as treason during the war's end, while most of the victor's enemies are either dead or have fallen from power. Which could make things simpler for the winner.

[Xilizhra]

You both missed the reason Gaspard wanted to invade Ferelden.  And you're acting as though Orlais will be in any position to entertain such adventurism after a Civil War and a demonic invasion.

 

I'd think Gaspard's anti-Chantry stance and willingness to work with apostates would have endeared him to some of the pro-Mage crowd.

The Orlesian Empire is no better than the Chantry, really.

[TK514]

What is the point of invading Ferelden other than getting more land and having more angry Fereldans wanting Orlais dead?

Also, I was talking about Halamshiral, not Ferelden.

Gaspard starting a civil war has put Orlais in more danger than ever with the new demonic invasion, the civil war, and the mages vs Templars war, by the way.

 

Gaspard was, and presumably still is, concerned about an invasion from Nevarra.  His plans to invade Ferelden while Orlais was still strong and Nevarra torn by internal strife was a hedge against that day.  He specifically talks about not having to worry about a two front war and adding Ferelden's resources to Orlais, but there would have been other benefits as well.

 

However, since Civil Wars tend to destroy a nation's military strength while leaving them internally divided for decades, and the fact that demons are precipitating out of thin air, any chance of Orlais being strong enough to do more than rebuild and fend off outside advances are pretty much gone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Having the taint makes you a Grey Warden.

 

That makes no sense. That's like playing Call of Duty and and complaining that you have to be a soldier. What the heck did you expect? That DAO, the game about the Blight, would let you bail and move to Antiva?

No it doesn't grey warden is member of organization called grey wardens... nothing stop you from leaving perhaps outside wardens but then again they don't seem very intrested in hunting those who went own way (anders).

 

Eee you know difference between rpg and shooter? 

[Mistic]

Gaspard's interest in invading Ferelden to unite Orlais (as initially showcased with the stunt he pulled with Teagan) is the kind of mentality that I take issue with.

 

Imagine if that were Bioware's sadistic choice, as in Bhelen and Harrowmont:

-Choose Celene. Bonus for culture and art. Bonus for diplomacy and peace. Add paranoia about rebellion. Less rights for elves.

-Choose Gaspard. Bonus for military. Treatments upheld, rights for the elves. Add wars against neighboring countries.

 

That's an idea, but I'm sure Bioware won't paint the candidates as Good versus Bad. It would be too easy to choose otherwise if one candidate had all the right answers.

 

What is the point of invading Ferelden other than getting more land and having more angry Fereldans wanting Orlais dead?

 

In Gaspard's own words: "A good war unites the empire. Maybe we can let those idiots in the Chantry and the Circle kill people outside our borders instead of inside them". Of course, it's telling that he chose Ferelden, weakened by the Blight, as the objective instead of militaristic Nevarra.

[rolson00]

hmmm i phase comes to mind in the case of celene and the grand duke "better the devil you know than the one you dont" its becoming clear to me that Bioware wnats ot to be that nither side its good, mage vs templar, duke vs empress  and we as the inquisistor have to convice briala that untiitng these waring fools is worthwhile to her people. Men and hononered ladies brace yourselves.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Imagine if that were Bioware's sadistic choice, as in Bhelen and Harrowmont:

-Choose Celene. Bonus for culture and art. Bonus for diplomacy and peace. Add paranoia about rebellion. Less rights for elves.

-Choose Gaspard. Bonus for military. Treatments upheld, rights for the elves. Add wars against neighboring countries.

 

Wait wait since when it was sadistic choice?

Harrowmont didn't had anything to offer no single positive thing when behlen not only was competent but also improved many things.

[Ianamus]

I saw Celene in a very different light before reading the book, and after finishing it support her all the way. In many ways I think she would be a better catalyst for improving the lives of city elves than Briala, who I cannot forgive for her actions at the end of the book. 

 

I seem to hate the Dalish elves more and more each time we see them. In Dragon Age Origins the Keeper was an idiot but everyone else was fine, in Dragon Age 2 the Keeper meant well but was a bit of an idiot and the rest of the clan was even worse, and in the Masked empire they are all raving lunatics summoning some of the most powerful known demons to Thedas. 

 

My Dalish elf Inquisitor will have some serious issues with his culture, that's for sure. 

 

 

Imagine if that were Bioware's sadistic choice, as in Bhelen and Harrowmont:

-Choose Celene. Bonus for culture and art. Bonus for diplomacy and peace. Add paranoia about rebellion. Less rights for elves.

-Choose Gaspard. Bonus for military. Treatments upheld, rights for the elves. Add wars against neighboring countries.

 

 

Have people even read the book?!, because this is not the first time I've seen this. 

 

Why would Gaspard give the elves rights and Celene take them away when in the book it was the complete opposite? Celene was the one trying to give elves more rights and Gaspard didn't care about them whatsoever.