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The Relationship between the Maker and the Creators


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Your choice to eat cereal with our without milk is a superficial (if pleasurable), non-moral choice that does not involve other people.  When acting in the world in a way that can affect other people, however, you would be forced to never do anything that could affect them negatively.  I don't see how this is logically possible.  What if they want you to give them something freely that you don't want to give?  What if they would feel hurt if you didn't?

 

Of course, you might say that you wouldn't be forced to do something positive; the restriction would only prevent you doing something negative.  Non-action, i.e. neutrality, would thus be an option.  However, this is inconsistent with what you say about the Maker below, where you hold him responsible for non-action in not stopping the magisters.  

If a given god is doing more for us, why would whatever it is not be freely available in the first place?

 

 

Personally, I think that the slave-murdering magisters are guilty, but neither of us has all the information to make a proper judgement.  

I hardly think it needs to be just one or the other who's guilty.

 

 

Anyway, I get the impression that neither of us is likely to change the other's views, but thank you very much for the discussion.  Thanks to Ieldra as well.  I must be away to get some other things done, so I've no idea when I might reply again.

My pleasure. And the discussion will keep.



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Gaider said a while back that conceivably both religions could be true. The Creators aren't said to be responsible for creating the world and Chantry doctrine doesn't actually say that the elven gods do not exist.

Regarding the Maker, the Chantry position is that the Maker is inactive. That is why he doesn't intervene during blights. The Chantry considers the darkspawn to be the consequence of human free will, not the Maker's plan.
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They didn't abandon anyone. They're a bunch of bros/sistah's that went on a crazy vacation for a bit, lost their passports and have been trapped in vacation land working as slave labour in order to get their credentials to return.

 

Since Fen'Harel is the trickster, he just snuck out because he was like "eff this noise"



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Gaider said a while back that conceivably both religions could be true. The Creators aren't said to be responsible for creating the world and Chantry doctrine doesn't actually say that the elven gods do not exist.

Regarding the Maker, the Chantry position is that the Maker is inactive. That is why he doesn't intervene during flights. The Chantry considers the darkspawn to be the consequence of human free will, not the Maker's plan.

Then the Chantry is incapable of thinking it through logically.



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Just wait for Nyeredzi