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[MaliceDelight]

I've read a whole bunch of posts about morrigans plan and flemeths motives, and while that all makes complete sense, i can shed the fact that morrigan can actually love your main character, unlike many people say.

I guess my biggest point is that:
 
Im on my second play through and have found so much stuff i didn't realize before i could do/talk to. Now im a sap and i keep thinking if i play the game and romance morrigan that i will get a happy ending, of that im not sure why. Regardless, I have a pretty high rating with her now and have did things in my tent , but have not talked about love (cuase after you make it to 'love' or whatever you get to, the dialog isn't as fun). Well anyhow, i went to Redcliffe village last night, chose to help the people. I helped the woman in the chantry find her brother, and then i gave Bella in the tavern 500 silver to start a new life. Now, when i gave the money i persuaded morrigan that it was ok, and she rolled with it without any indication of disfavor. However, when i requested a kiss from both of them for helping, morrigan scowled and made some very rude comments about my pecks on the cheek.

Now, if morrigan didn't love/like your character, why all the pretty vivid jealousy? Could she simply not just laugh and call my character an idiot or something sarcastic like she does with alistair ?

Your thoughts?

-Malice-

(little ninja face)

[Redem0]

Well jealousy could be more justify by possessivenes more than love at least at first

[errant_knight]

I think Morrigan is capable of having more than one thing going on at once. It's perfectly possible to have her own agenda and come to care about the PC. In fact, her agenda dovetails nicely with a good outcome for the PC in her eyes. She may regret having things end the way they do, but her goal is as important to her, and she believes it to be just as right, as the PC feels about killing the Archdemon.

[blademaster7]

I don't think there is much of debate about loving you or not... She does eventually fall in love with a male Warden, she even admits it at the end.



If you think you can have a happy ending with her on your current playthrough you'll get kicked in the balls just like most of us. She'll leave no matter what. The only difference if you romanced her is that she is a bit reluctant.

[J_chambers]

well on the bright side, if you still keep the ring she gave to you as a gift at least she'll know you'll be around, right?

[tehprincessJ]

Morrigan doesn't share. She even says so.



She wouldn't call what she feels for you love, but it's love just the same.

[Inzhuna]

since well jealousy equals love? if she feels you *belong* to her, she will be mad at you kissing other women/flirting with leliana. that does not mean she is in love with you.

This is NOT to say that Morrigan cannot love the PC in the end.

It's just that the OP premise 'she feels jealous - means she loves me' is wrong.

[MaliceDelight]

blademaster7 wrote...

I don't think there is much of debate about loving you or not... She does eventually fall in love with a male Warden, she even admits it at the end.

If you think you can have a happy ending with her on your current playthrough you'll get kicked in the balls just like most of us. She'll leave no matter what. The only difference if you romanced her is that she is a bit reluctant.

Oh no, im sorry. Im not new/unfamiliar with the game, i've done so much reading, especially when i realized how my teeth were gonna get kicked in at the end. I was so sad, i put the game away for like 2 weeks and didn't even want to touch my xbox haha.  I hope if DA2 is to exist that its a direct continuation of story line, theres too much left open. I dont even feel like i finished a game, after like 60 hours of play haha.

I hope bioware doesnt pull a baldurs gate and make all new characters and stuff, cause if thats the case, i dont know if i would buy the game, i'd feel betrayed lol. I want a series like Quest For Glory, same character new stories. I do realize this might be difficult with the wardens 30 year life expectency....but what a bomb 30 years it could be!

[MaliceDelight]

Inzhuna wrote...

since well jealousy equals love? if she feels you *belong* to her, she will be mad at you kissing other women/flirting with leliana. that does not mean she is in love with you.
This is NOT to say that Morrigan cannot love the PC in the end.
It's just that the OP premise 'she feels jealous - means she loves me' is wrong.

That might be taken a bit out of context. Im not saying "Shes jealous that means she wants my babies" Im just saying, there seems to be correlation with someone whos in a relationship with you, not wanting you to flirt with other characters. I mean, say i had a friend which whom i just had casual sex with, i wouldn't take offense if they where to do the same with others, however if i were in some sort of serious realtionship with them, that might spark a little anger on my part.

[KnightofPhoenix]

She is willing to do anything to get what she wants. It's in her advantage for the PC to fall in love with her. And yet, why didn't she use that? Why didn't she fake love and lie? Why was she panicking and flipping out (female mood swing)? That's because she has fallen in love with the PC and that makes her scared.

[MaliceDelight]

I can agree to disagree, that shes a manipulative **** most of the time and for all we know the entire game. Just with how well the voice acting/story telling was done, i was not sweyed enough to think that this was only to get what she wants. I hope we have not seen the last of this story.

[Spitz6860]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She is willing to do anything to get what she wants. It's in her advantage for the PC to fall in love with her. And yet, why didn't she use that? Why didn't she fake love and lie? Why was she panicking and flipping out (female mood swing)? That's because she has fallen in love with the PC and that makes her scared.

eh, menopause?

[MaliceDelight]

Spitz6860 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She is willing to do anything to get what she wants. It's in her advantage for the PC to fall in love with her. And yet, why didn't she use that? Why didn't she fake love and lie? Why was she panicking and flipping out (female mood swing)? That's because she has fallen in love with the PC and that makes her scared.

eh, menopause?

hahahah. Well David Gaider said she was only 20's-30's....I think its just normal woman behavior...

[SDNcN]

MaliceDelight wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She is willing to do anything to get what she wants. It's in her advantage for the PC to fall in love with her. And yet, why didn't she use that? Why didn't she fake love and lie? Why was she panicking and flipping out (female mood swing)? That's because she has fallen in love with the PC and that makes her scared.

eh, menopause?

hahahah. Well David Gaider said she was only 20's-30's....I think its just normal woman behavior...

More so when your only regular contact with another human being has been Flemeth.

[MaliceDelight]

Haha agreed.

[Doyle41]

She is jealous lof Leliana, Isabela, Bella and any other other woman you can romance. However, unlike Leliana she doesn't mind if you pop into The Pearl for a romp with a hooker. Meanwhile, she knows the ending to the story, she says that it would be easier not to love her "in the end, it will be easier."

[Inzhuna]

I certainly agree that Morrigan ends up having feelings for the PC, and it confuses and scares her, and even makes her despise her ultimate plan a bit. Not only male PC - female also. I was reaaally moved by her 'sister' speech, when she says she may not prove worthy of PC's friendship, but she will always treasure it.

[Dragonfliet]

I was actually very pleasantly surprised with Morrigan as a character. She's abrasive and cruel, but nuanced way more than I expected. Her inconsistencies between her speech and her actions makes internal sense for the character and the growing bond between her and the PC (male or female) is actually very interesting. I would say she was probably the best written characters (the others feeling a little more flat, a little less like they're doing/saying things because it works for the character and more like the writer wanted the subplot to head into a certain direction).

[Coldcall01]

I started out this game sort of liking Morrigan (as a character portrayal) but i learned to hate her very quickly. Sorry i dont buy the excuses made for her that she is like she is because of a poor nurturing environment with Flemeth. That's just an apologia for evil behaviour.

For me the proof that she always had her plan in mind is demonstrated by the fact that she offers the pact to any warden, Alistair or Logain regardless of doing any quests with her. In my first playthrough i did not even think of romancing her and there she is at the end of the game in my room asking me to bonk her so she can bring a devil child into the world. Its just evil - no mattter how you look at it.

And the only reason the PC warden would go along with it is through fear of death. So she is there to entrap the weaker wardens who have failed themselves and Duncan, and Fereleden in general.

The idea that she has any conscious whatsoever is purely fanstasy in the minds of some players of this game. Sad but true.

Modifié par Coldcall01, 24 janvier 2010 - 10:33 .

[MaliceDelight]

Coldcall01 wrote...

I started out this game sort of liking Morrigan (as a character portrayal) but i learned to hate her very quickly. Sorry i dont buy the excuses made for her that she is like she is because of a poor nurturing environment with Flemeth. That's just an apologia for evil behaviour.

For me the proof that she always had her plan in mind is demonstrated by the fact that she offers the pact to any warden, Alistair or Logain regardless of doing any quests with her. In my first playthrough i did not even think of romancing her and there she is at the end of the game in my room asking me to bonk her so she can bring a devil child into the world. Its just evil - no mattter how you look at it.

And the only reason the PC warden would go along with it is through fear of death. So she is there to entrap the weaker wardens who have failed themselves and Duncan, and Fereleden in general.

The idea that she has any conscious whatsoever is purely fanstasy in the minds of some players of this game. Sad but true.

Thats the whole problem with the game, its ambiguity. Someone of my persuasion could easily say "You can't base how the character plays out based on options you have not chosen for your story line" Some people said you can see change in her character and some people say "well she would have done it with any character/warden". I guess my biggest example for my play through would be Zefran, i found him, chose to let him live and didn't really take the time to get to know him....then he tried to kill me later in the game haha. However, people with other play throughs became friends with him and they love him as a character.


If you dont romance her, show her affection/friendship, then she never learns of it and her goals are clear. While if you chose to show her compassion/frienship i saw what i thought was a change in her personalitiy. However, even with that said its still 100% possible that she doesn't give a rats ass about you and is doing the plan. I just had a feeling with how her character is portrayed at the end with my decisions. Only time will tell if bioware wants to continue with this story/character interaction somewhere down the road.

-Malice- (little ninja face)

[nYshak]

Finished DA:O on Friday. I took my time with it, as I always do with RPGs. I'm one of those who are willing to *walk* while exploring an area for the first time so when I finally put the archdemon to rest the clock said I had spent about 100 hours with this game.



I romanced Morrigan with my City Elf Assassin-Duelist. And yes, the ending made me quite sad. I guess it has to do with me spending so much time with this awesome game that, once it was finished, I had to take a step back and reflect on the hole thing.



Concerning Morrigans motives. I don't doubt that Morrigan acutally loved my PC at the end. She admits it right before you head out to kill the Archdemon in Denerim. Here's the part of the dialogue my PC had with her:



Morrigan:



"So we head into the city together, as it should be. Once this is done, no matter how it turns out I will be gone. You are aware of this yes?



PC:



I will find you Morrigan. I swear it.



Morrigan:



I do not think that would be wise.

(Sigh) Allow me to say one thing before we go.



I was foolish. This could have been so much easier, yet I... cannot regret what was between us.



I will always remember you...my love."



There's so much you can read into her stating that finding her would be unwise. Maybe the child will be evil? Whatever the case, Morrigan can fall in love with the PC. Its kinda sad to come to the conclusion that The Awakening will most likely feature noting of Morrigan. In fact I'm conviced that if Bioware is going to continue Morrigans storyline they'll do so with DA 2 at the earliest. The hole god child thing just seems way to big for a DLC or an addon. No matter, once they do continue with it, they better make it so that I am able to import Aryk (my PC) and continue the romance or I'm gonna hate them for the rest of my life

[tehprincessJ]

Inzhuna wrote...

I certainly agree that Morrigan ends up having feelings for the PC, and it confuses and scares her, and even makes her despise her ultimate plan a bit. Not only male PC - female also. I was reaaally moved by her 'sister' speech, when she says she may not prove worthy of PC's friendship, but she will always treasure it.

Also: if you (as a female) speak to her about "Last night" after convincing Alistair to sleep with her, and chose the "I just wanted to thank you" option, she says that it means everything to her.

This isn't to say that I don't still think she's a scheming b*tch, but still.

[Doyle41]

I liked her the best until the end i went with the totally flipped out ending. i had romamced leliana ana morrigan. in the end, i had allister kill logain and i proposed to anora. i went along with morrigan's plan against my wishes but i felt obligated because she/ flemeth had done so much for the pc. leliana broke up with me when i announced rumors of marrying the quenn were true. however, when morrigan explained the ritual and that that's why flemeth saved me and sent morrigan with me, i felt a gut wrenching blow. i wanted to keep bugging here about why she kept it from me. so in the end i ultimately love the character but hate how she turns out. problem with the whole thing is, if you sacrifice yourself or another warden, how could her plan come to fruition? wouldn't the essence fade as it enters the warden's body killing the warden? so her with child after that would not make sense.

[MagiST]

Women like Morrigan are dangerous in many ways. It's better to remember the lies that she told than the things that resemble love and friendship. All I can say is that there was no closure.