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[RustyBuckets02]

I'm torn between my disdain for Volus, and the fact that Altbouli is right. They're effective kits (especially the engineer) but that doesn't change the fact that they're essentially stupid fat space moles.

[Kurt M.]

The problem is when I am the strongest player in pug and I am playing volus, because then it goes to hell. 

 

I've seen a few Volus clutching on waves on Gold, including that amazing Engineer on Reactor (Reapers) who ended up scoring 170k...damn good one.

 

I think Volus can either be terribly good or terribly bad, but that it's a class that doesn't deal well with middle grounds.

[Aetika]

I've seen a few Volus clutching on waves on Gold, including that amazing Engineer on Reactor (Reapers) who ended up scoring 170k...damn good one.

 

Well yeah, shield boost can help you get away with lot of damage. But if I am left to clutch waves, then I definitely take it that the match went to hell.

[Kurt M.]

Well yeah, shield boost can help you get away with lot of damage. But if I am left to clutch waves, then I definitely consider the match as hell.

 

Well, but that happens with any class and player, not only the Volus

 

I even remember clutching one myself with the Volus Vanguard in my early days (Silver/Reactor/Cerberus). In fact, I think it was the very first class I even clutched a wave with.

[Deerber]

The problem is when I am the strongest player in pug and I am playing volus, because then it goes to hell. 

 

 

Well yeah, shield boost can help you get away with lot of damage. But if I am left to clutch waves, then I definitely take it that the match went to hell.

 

Don't underestimate yourself, you're a good player!

[Aetika]

Don't underestimate yourself, you're a good player!

 

oh...thanks 

So I take it next time we play I am bringing volus, k? 

[Fortack]

Lol wut - so there will be no opportunity to detonate in a biotic team? You never get hit on Platinum? You never get bad map/objectives? Play against Geth on Platinum and tell me you dont get hit lol. Are you playing with missile happy team mates? By your logic its pointless to even attempt biotic explosions because everything will be dead beforehand.

 

You either have no clue what you're talking about, or you have never played alongside decent teammates.

 

You need high power and/or weapon damage to be effective. Volus have neither. It's that simple, really.

[DisturbedPsic0]

You need high power and/or weapon damage to be effective. Volus have neither. It's that simple, really.

This isnt true. You can easily hold your own with a Volus. If two players of equal skill play and one is a volus and the other is a GI, then yeah it'll be tough to keep up. But the Volus could be any other kit in the game and struggle to keep up.

It isn't always about OHK everything. It is an rpg, it's fun to roll play and have fun. Fun != OP all the time.

[ALTBOULI]

You either have no clue what you're talking about, or you have never played alongside decent teammates.
 
You need high power and/or weapon damage to be effective. Volus have neither. It's that simple, really.

Lol so your a scrub who relies on OP set-ups....I figured as much

[Deerber]

oh...thanks 

So I take it next time we play I am bringing volus, k? 

 

Sure thing! So you'll be forced to clutch the wave when I run out of gels on wave 9

 

This isnt true. You can easily hold your own with a Volus. If two players of equal skill play and one is a volus and the other is a GI, then yeah it'll be tough to keep up. But the Volus could be any other kit in the game and struggle to keep up.

It isn't always about OHK everything. It is an rpg, it's fun to roll play and have fun. Fun != OP all the time.

 

Yeah, except that most volus will struggle to keep up with 50% of the kits in the game, not just the GI, so...

 

But I agree on the last sentence. I, personally, don't find them fun, but if people do they should totally play them. Yet, the point of the discussion lately has seemed to shift to how efficient they are in this game, and the answer is: not much.

 

Lol so your a scrub who relies on OP set-ups....I figured as much

 

Buahahahaha!!

[HeroicMass]

without volus, Disco Dancing in the reactor may have never happened.  Thus not allowing the Hold the Line series to ever evolve.  Anyone hating on Volus deserves a swift kick in the pants.

[NuclearTech76]

As long as the other says something offensive, yes there is.

 

In fact, in a serious forum he would have been already warned, or even banned by just saying "OMG THIS MAKES ME GONNA PUKE!". But, BSN, you know...

Yes, mods. Let's ban this Deerbear punk. 

[NuclearTech76]

The problem is when I am the strongest player in pug and I am playing volus, because then it goes to hell. 

Eh, I find I use less equipment as a fatty personally on host. Now I may not kill as fast if I'm forced to solo but you can isolate and take out single enemies without worry using shield boost i frames and cloak. I've farted around with soloing Geth on Plat with the Engineer and got to nine without much trouble then things go to hell in a handbasket. 

[Deerber]

Yes, mods. Let's ban this Deerbear punk. 

 

[NuclearTech76]

Let's not forget the scoring in this game sucks balls as well. You don't have to necessarily kill to score well if you debuff everything you make decent points for some weird reason.

[Aetika]

Eh, I find I use less equipment as a fatty personally on host. Now I may not kill as fast if I'm forced to solo but you can isolate and take out single enemies without worry using shield boost i frames and cloak. I've farted around with soloing Geth on Plat with the Engineer and got to nine without much trouble then things go to hell in a handbasket. 

 

Being volus is actually surprisingly safe thanks to shield boost. What I meant is, if I am in position of strongest player and I am not killing things fast enough, the game eventually gets more and more messy. Or it takes horribly long. 

[Fortack]

This isnt true. You can easily hold your own with a Volus. If two players of equal skill play and one is a volus and the other is a GI, then yeah it'll be tough to keep up. But the Volus could be any other kit in the game and struggle to keep up.

It isn't always about OHK everything. It is an rpg, it's fun to roll play and have fun. Fun != OP all the time.

 

Volus will struggle to keep up with any kit in this game as far as killing stuff is concerned b/c:

 

1. Their powers deal very little damage (which doesn't mean they cannot be useful, they just don't help a lot when you want to kill stuff quickly).

 

2. All other species (can) deal more damage when using the same weapon b/c they can get higher weapon damage bonuses from their passive.

 

3. Volus have a pathetic carrying capacity which greatly limits which weapons you can slap on em if you want to use powers more than once or twice each wave.

[Deerber]

Let's not forget the scoring in this game sucks balls as well. You don't have to necessarily kill to score well if you debuff everything you make decent points for some weird reason.

 

That's why I'm talking about killing efficiency, and not score.

 

Volus will struggle to keep up with any kit in this game as far as killing stuff is concerned b/c:

 

 

Oh, c'mon, don't be mean now! There are probably a couple that are on the same level and are not Volus

[NuclearTech76]

Volus will struggle to keep up with any kit in this game as far as killing stuff is concerned b/c:

 

1. Their powers deal very little damage (which doesn't mean they cannot be useful, they just don't help a lot when you want to kill stuff quickly).

 

2. All other species (can) deal more damage when using the same weapon b/c they can get higher weapon damage bonuses from their passive.

 

3. Volus have a pathetic carrying capacity which greatly limits which weapons you can slap on em if you want to use powers more than once or twice each wave.

1&2 Volus have superior debuffing ability to some kits.

3. Arc Pistol, Talon, Hurricane, CSMG. It's pretty much a nonissue unless you want to put a Javelin on the fatty.

 

You're absolutely right that they will not kill heavies as well IMO but you can cloak and hunt infantry and kill the ****** out of them with the Adept, and Engineer. Stasis and a headshot with the Arc Pistol will kill most anything that can be stasised. Headshot and a biotic orb will kill most anything armored that is infantry level. The Merc I generally use the Reegar on so effiency is so much an issue with him. I mean sure you're not going to keep up with the Godtier classes or maybe even the next stepdown but you can certainly pace with some classes well. 

[FullSpe3D]

Volus will struggle to keep up with any kit in this game as far as killing stuff is concerned b/c:

 

1. Their powers deal very little damage (which doesn't mean they cannot be useful, they just don't help a lot when you want to kill stuff quickly).

 

2. All other species (can) deal more damage when using the same weapon b/c they can get higher weapon damage bonuses from their passive.

 

3. Volus have a pathetic carrying capacity which greatly limits which weapons you can slap on em if you want to use powers more than once or twice each wave.

1: Adept and Engineer (imo the best 2 volus kits for U/U) can put out some insane multiplicative debuffs, increasing the damage hugely not just for themselves, but for the entire team. Their powers don't do much by themselves but they're devastating when combined with a team that has already decent DPS.

 

2: See 1.

 

3: Some of the best weapons in this game weigh very little. Harrier, Arc Pistol, Hurricane, Talon, Reegar, etc. This is definitely not right, but sadly that's the way it is.

 

Edit: ninja'd, sort of.

[Bartimaeus616]

Everyone is talking about them 'keeping up', and what are the goals there? Kits are OP because they can kill quickly. Kits like the TGI, AIU, GT have durability, and can kill very quickly, so they kill before anyone else can score, and can outlast others when it goes wrong, or on objectives.

 

But that is only in relation to your team. That doesn't mean that someone else wasn't completely capable of dealing with it, just that some more 'powerful' kit got there first. Volus have insane staying power once you know how to use them, the volus won't kill it as quickly, but don't doubt it's ability.

 

Just because it takes time, doesn't mean it's not good.

[NuclearTech76]

FullSpe3D made another good point. Volus make the whole team do more damage as a whole and can increase the team survivability especially on objectives if played right. 

[MaxCrushmore]

Well, I've seen some good players absolutely dominate with the Voli, so I'm not surprised at what they can accomplish.

[sabreracer]

oh...thanks 

So I take it next time we play I am bringing volus, k? 

 

We shall bring Voli 

 

[wufpup76]

Being volus is actually surprisingly safe thanks to shield boost. What I meant is, if I am in position of strongest player and I am not killing things fast enough, the game eventually gets more and more messy. Or it takes horribly long. 

 

^I used to sorta feel the same way - particularly when I was still learning gold - so I shied away from my Volus Sentinel for a while on gold. I've definitely had a change in perspective though. 

 

I mostly pug, so there's a 75+% chance I'll be the strongest player on the team (which says a lot about the general player base  ; definitely not meant as e-peen, either - there's just a lot of 'inexperienced' players out there that I seem to find in almost every lobby. I do not compare to most 'good' players). Once I realized/learned this, my perspective shifted to having fun no matter what. In pug-land, I can't control team composition - so I decided to take my Cryo Falcon VolMerc and get right in the face of Collector Captains, Marauders, and Phantoms regardless of what my teammates are (or aren't) doing. 

 

The only thing for me that can be off-putting when pugging with my cryo volus can be game length, but that's only if I have limited time ... otherwise, I don't really notice b/c I'm having too much fun trolling mooks/geth. If there is just one more above average teammate on the squad then typically the game goes by in an average amount of time. In addition, I have found that my teammates are generally more successful when I'm playing with my VolMerc - b/c I'm taking out/distracting all the 'pew pew' enemies that average pugs generally forget about or don't notice until it's too late for them. 

 

As far as scoring/keeping up, you'd be amused/saddened at the amount of times I've top scored with the Falcon VolMerc (that only means it's a surpise when I top score w/ him - I know good players can wreck shop w/ him - I saw 'Sicklecyde' obliterate everything one night with an Arc Pistol VolMerc). 

 

Btw, Aetika - I did not mean to imply anything about your perspective when playing the game ... your post just made me reflect on my experience with my favorite little volus on Gold . 

 

tl;dr - 'screw you pugs, Im'ma playing my VolMerc'