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[ALTBOULI]

Everyone is talking about them 'keeping up', and what are the goals there? Kits are OP because they can kill quickly. Kits like the TGI, AIU, GT have durability, and can kill very quickly, so they kill before anyone else can score, and can outlast others when it goes wrong, or on objectives.
 
But that is only in relation to your team. That doesn't mean that someone else wasn't completely capable of dealing with it, just that some more 'powerful' kit got there first. Volus have insane staying power once you know how to use them, the volus won't kill it as quickly, but don't doubt it's ability.
 
Just because it takes time, doesn't mean it's not good.

Because the same people who call the Volus worthless are the ones who see this game as some sort of competition rather than a team game/co-op experience....They have to be first on the scoreboard. It doesnt matter that they provide a player with excellent survivability, nor does it matter that your increasing their and the rest of the teams dps via debuffs. Their judging everything on killing efficiency which is retarded. If I want to compete with other players i'll just play a pvp game

[DisturbedPsic0]

Volus will struggle to keep up with any kit in this game as far as killing stuff is concerned b/c:

 

1. Their powers deal very little damage (which doesn't mean they cannot be useful, they just don't help a lot when you want to kill stuff quickly).

 

2. All other species (can) deal more damage when using the same weapon b/c they can get higher weapon damage bonuses from their passive.

 

3. Volus have a pathetic carrying capacity which greatly limits which weapons you can slap on em if you want to use powers more than once or twice each wave.

Just for sake of comparison, the Volus Adept is similar to the Asari Adept. Same weapons damage (if Kalence is to be believed). The main difference is slightly longer stasis cooldown,and shield boost instead of throw.  Warp and a single orb so the same debuff, but orbs stack, so up to 45% debuff instead of 15%. Asari has access to better biotic boom and can self biotic boom on armor. But Volus has faster biotic boom on non armored infantry and faster fire explosions on armor.  Also you can't ignore the ability to be invisible for literally the whole game if you're clever about your cloak cooldowns.

 

Is the Asari better? In my opinion, yes. But that doesn't make the Volus gimp. They're fun in their own way, and it is a co-op game. I don't hinder my team by playing them.  As a matter of fact, last night a bunch of my friends and I did an all Volus game and burned through Hazard Ghost/Geth/Gold without many issues in 20 minutes. 1-3 were all within 10k I believe and 4th was the off host Vanguard so I let that slide.

[sabreracer]

I love my VolMerc.

 

I even know the game where it all came together.  

 

Had AirQuotes complaining that they were targeting his Slayer halfway across Rio while I was rolling through the legs of Primes dropping Decoys and Drones

[cato potato]

Just for sake of comparison, the Volus Adept is similar to the Asari Adept. Same weapons damage (if Kalence is to be believed). The main difference is slightly longer stasis cooldown,and shield boost instead of throw.  Warp and a single orb so the same debuff, but orbs stack, so up to 45% debuff instead of 15%. Asari has access to better biotic boom and can self biotic boom on armor. But Volus has.....faster fire explosions on armor.  Also you can't ignore the ability to be invisible for literally the whole game if you're clever about your cloak cooldowns.

 

Is the Asari better? In my opinion, yes. But that doesn't make the Volus gimp. They're fun in their own way, and it is a co-op game. I don't hinder my team by playing them.  As a matter of fact, last night a bunch of my friends and I did an all Volus game and burned through Hazard Ghost/Geth/Gold without many issues in 20 minutes. 1-3 were all within 10k I believe and 4th was the off host Vanguard so I let that slide.

 

I agree with most of your post except for the bolded part. Because you need to wait for the phony DoT component of fire explosions to end before you can prime for and then detonate another one, both characters detonate them on single targets at the same speed.

[J. Peterman]

I'm torn between my disdain for Volus, and the fact that Altbouli is right.

 

This is where I am with the topic at hand.

 

The way I see it, put a decent weapon on a subpar kit in the hands of anyone who can aim, and knows the game mechanics, and they'll be able to "keep up" with "good players" playing God-tier kits.

 

That said, **** Volus, ****** shitty support kits.

[DisturbedPsic0]

I agree with most of your post except for the bolded part. Because you need to wait for the phony DoT component of fire explosions to end before you can prime for and then detonate another one, both characters detonate them on single targets at the same speed.

It was more meant for multiple enemies. I know fire explosions have a cooldown on one target, but the Volus Adept can shoot 3 enemies and have 3 fire explosions in succession without worrying about cooldowns. The Asari would have a cooldown to worry about, even if it was only throw. Is it a big advantage? No, but it is there.

[NuclearTech76]

It was more meant for multiple enemies. I know fire explosions have a cooldown on one target, but the Volus Adept can shoot 3 enemies and have 3 fire explosions in succession without worrying about cooldowns. The Asari would have a cooldown to worry about, even if it was only throw. Is it a big advantage? No, but it is there.

Throw is less effected by lag in my experience though. Orbs suck with lag, the summon, cast and travel time seems to drag out. And I love the Volus kits but the orbs and shield boost are effected a little more by lag than the Asari's powers. Asari adept is a powerhouse kit though. At one time she was the best adept without question and she's still a killing machine.

[Fortack]

Because the same people who call the Volus worthless are the ones who see this game as some sort of competition rather than a team game/co-op experience....They have to be first on the scoreboard. It doesnt matter that they provide a player with excellent survivability, nor does it matter that your increasing their and the rest of the teams dps via debuffs. Their judging everything on killing efficiency which is retarded. If I want to compete with other players i'll just play a pvp game

You're good at putting words in other people's mouths, I'll give you that. Just so you know; not being the most awesome kit in town doesn't equal being utter and total crap. Volus are perfectly fine the way they are, they're simply not good at killing stuff quickly - which is the single most important thing in this game (whether you, me or whomever like it or not). That's all I am saying, and, unlike you, I've posted arguments to back up my claim.

[DisturbedPsic0]

Throw is less effected by lag in my experience though. Orbs suck with lag, the summon, cast and travel time seems to drag out. And I love the Volus kits but the orbs and shield boost are effected a little more by lag than the Asari's powers. Asari adept is a powerhouse kit though. At one time she was the best adept without question and she's still a killing machine.

Yeah I agree. And the point I was trying to make was everyone knows the Asari Adept is a powerhouse, but the Volus really isn't much different. What makes the Asari better IMO is she gets the amazing Warp->Throw combo on armor with those combo multipliers. But the Volus can get level 1 fire explosions without a cooldown so there is that.

[DisturbedPsic0]

You're good at putting words in other people's mouths, I'll give you that. Just so you know; not being the most awesome kit in town doesn't equal being utter and total crap. Volus are perfectly fine the way they are, they're simply not good at killing stuff bosses quickly - which is the single most important thing in this game (whether you, me or whomever like it or not). That's all I am saying, and, unlike you, I've posted arguments to back up my claim.

Fixed. My Volus can one hit pretty much any trooper including some setups on phantoms. 

[Deerber]

It was more meant for multiple enemies. I know fire explosions have a cooldown on one target, but the Volus Adept can shoot 3 enemies and have 3 fire explosions in succession without worrying about cooldowns.

 

I don't unserstand why people are talking about biotic orbs like it's a grenade. It's not. After you use 3 of them to get 3 explosions, you HAVE to worry about the cooldown if you want to do it again in that wave. And the cooldown on those stupid balls is downright silly and astronomical, so...

 

You're good at putting words in other people's mouths, I'll give you that.

 

I know, right? It wasn't the first time that happened in this thread.

[Fortack]

Just for sake of comparison, the Volus Adept is similar to the Asari Adept. Same weapons damage (if Kalence is to be believed). The main difference is slightly longer stasis cooldown,and shield boost instead of throw.  Warp and a single orb so the same debuff, but orbs stack, so up to 45% debuff instead of 15%. Asari has access to better biotic boom and can self biotic boom on armor. But Volus has faster biotic boom on non armored infantry and faster fire explosions on armor.  Also you can't ignore the ability to be invisible for literally the whole game if you're clever about your cloak cooldowns.
 
Is the Asari better? In my opinion, yes. But that doesn't make the Volus gimp. They're fun in their own way, and it is a co-op game. I don't hinder my team by playing them.  As a matter of fact, last night a bunch of my friends and I did an all Volus game and burned through Hazard Ghost/Geth/Gold without many issues in 20 minutes. 1-3 were all within 10k I believe and 4th was the off host Vanguard so I let that slide.

 
Asari do get the headshot evo in their passive tree (Volus do not). Asari aren't cripled as hard as Volus are when carrying heavy weapons. Biotic primers + Warp Ammo provides a huge weapon damage bonus (and then there's the Warp + Incendiary Ammo nonsense too). You already mentioned the AA's 100% more potent biotic explosions (which she can execute herself). AFAIK fireplosions are on a 3 second cooldown which makes Throw (or even Warp) an equally good FE detonator if that's what you're looking for.
 
I totally agree with the second paragraph. All I am saying is that, once you are comfortable playing the AA like Rambo, stuff like cloaking, SB, and pets aren't all that great anymore.
 

Fixed. My Volus can one hit pretty much any trooper including some setups on phantoms.

Weapons are doing that, not the kit, and Volus can't even use most of them without gimping cooldowns badly.

[DisturbedPsic0]

I don't unserstand why people are talking about biotic orbs like it's a grenade. It's not. After you use 3 of them to get 3 explosions, you HAVE to worry about the cooldown if you want to do it again in that wave. And the cooldown on those stupid balls is downright silly and astronomical, so...

Except you get the cooldown when you get them, not when you fire the last one, so the second you launch the last one, you can pull 3 more up and keep going. With my setup I get a 6.8 second recharge, which isn't any worse than the ACA dark sphere or seekers. It all flows nicely for me.

 

 

 
Asari do get the headshot evo in their passive tree (Volus do not). Asari aren't cripled as hard as Volus are when carrying heavy weapons. Biotic primers + Warp Ammo provides a huge weapon damage bonus (and then there's the Warp + Incendiary Ammo nonsense too). You already mentioned the AA's 100% more potent biotic explosions (which she can execute herself). AFAIK fireplosions are on a 3 second cooldown which makes Throw (or even Warp) an equally good FE detonator if that's what you're looking for.

I don't take headshot evo for Asari, so no loss there   Fire explosions are on cooldown for one target, but above I did mention I was referring to multiple enemies and chaining 3 explosions together very quickly. I also said it's not that great of an advantage over the asari since she can do the same thing with throw.

 

 

 
Weapons are doing that, not the kit, and Volus can't even use most of them without gimping cooldowns badly.

You can say that about any kit with any weapon then   If that's your argument you should've said "Volus can't keep up as long as they're not allowed to use good weapons".

[ALTBOULI]

You're good at putting words in other people's mouths, I'll give you that. Just so you know; not being the most awesome kit in town doesn't equal being utter and total crap. Volus are perfectly fine the way they are, they're simply not good at killing stuff quickly - which is the single most important thing in this game (whether you, me or whomever like it or not). That's all I am saying, and, unlike you, I've posted arguments to back up my claim.

 

 

I know how to volus, thank you very much. This doesn't change the fact that most of them suck.

By the way, I find it interesting that your least favorite one is the only one with actually a set of decent powers...

 

 

 
Problem is that when you're part of a reasonable good team, all the stuff the Volus can do is more or less useless: Cloaking is kinda pointless when there is nobody around to hide from. Why use SB when you hardly ever lose your shields in the first place? What use are detonators when there is nothing around to detonate? Teamwork? Lolwut?

 

 

You either have no clue what you're talking about, or you have never played alongside decent teammates.

 

You need high power and/or weapon damage to be effective. Volus have neither. It's that simple, really.

 

Loooooooooooooooool yeah putting words in your mouth  I gave several reasons why Volus kits can be effective as did several other people but you Deerber discounted them because Killing Efficiency is the most important thing in the game and nothing else seems to matter, In this thread you have even been given ways in which Volus can kill things quickly. Deerber arrogantly claimed that no one could keep up with him playing a good kit if the other person was playing a Volus (I was even nice enough to not calling him out on this moronic statement) then when Nuke gave him a good example he backtracks and mentions the Fury .

 

I gave you examples and then you threw you a tantrum as a result, its not my problem if you or Deerber get butthurt from my posts...

[NuclearTech76]

YOU TALK ABOUT MY VOLUS I'LL WHIP YOUR ASS!!!!!!! LOL.

I love you bsn.

[ALTBOULI]

YOU TALK ABOUT MY VOLUS I'LL WHIP YOUR ASS!!!!!!! LOL.

I love you bsn.

 

This little debate has made my working day so much more enjoyable 

[Deerber]

... I'm outta here. Altboulli, I suggest you take a reading comprehension course and/or you re-read all my posts.

Goodbye all.

[Deerber]

By the way, gladiatorium, if you're still around here... I suggest you report my post again. Moderators seem to be slacking, cause I still got no message nor warning. Help them out a bit, will ya?

[MaxCrushmore]

Is it time for a 1 Volus 1 babby?

 

Geth Condor Stunderdome

[ALTBOULI]

... I'm outta here. Altboulli, I suggest you take a reading comprehension course and/or you re-read all my posts.

Goodbye all.

 

Pretty high and mighty for someone who cant even spell my name right...

[Kurt M.]

By the way, gladiatorium, if you're still around here... I suggest you report my post again. Moderators seem to be slacking, cause I still got no message nor warning. Help them out a bit, will ya?

 

Meh, I'll pass. You're lucky you're posting in this joke of a forum. Otherwise, well...

 

Enjoy it while it lasts, kid.

[NuclearTech76]

Meh, I'll pass. You're lucky you're posting in this joke of a forum. Otherwise, well...

 

Enjoy it while it lasts, kid.

Reported for terrorism!!!!!

[J. Peterman]

Somebody 1v1 someone already.

[Kurt M.]

Reported for terrorism!!!!!

 

It's not terrorism if it is for the sake of Pink Krogans everywhere FLOWER BOMBING!

[Deerber]

Pretty high and mighty for someone who cant even spell my name right...

Does it change the message I wanted to communicate? I doubt it.


Do you even know what reading comprehension is? I don't know why, but I get this sense that the answer is similar to the one I gave myself a couple lines above...