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[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

or should they always have supervision?

I see points on both sides, magic is dangerous, such as just 1 untrained child having the possibility of destroying a village by himself or Tevinter mages being allowed to police themselves only to retake power but i also see that the circles can be open to abuses by particularly unpleasant templars who sometimes push mages into doing stupid things like using blood magic which then turns the population against magic even more.

Id prefer a middle ground, something like the Ferelden circle where Irving & Gregagoir had a mostly even relationship based on respect rather then Kirkwall where the rank of First Enchanter mostly ment nothing & the templars were seemingly free to do anything they wanted causing more more anger & resentment.

I support the circle still existing, a more even & fair version like Ferelden world be best IMO if DA:I allows it. Your thoughts?

[HellaciousHutch]

To be honest, I believe mages SHOULD be supervised, but only until they reach a certain age and level of knowledge in the magic arts. For instance: Give the mages more freedom (i.e. live in houses and communities outside of the Tower of Magi) once they pass the Harrowing, or become Tranquil. Trapping the mages in a tower for their entire lives like a prison is wrong, in my opinion, they should be able to choose once they reach a certain level.

 

It should be noted that I'm a supporter of the mages over the templars. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why even ask if entire 2 game didn't managed to convince you what is answer that what mages do in dai should be enough to tell that no they don't deserve their freedom because even now they cause enough trouble and destruction.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think mages will ever be content to live their whole lives locked up in circles, so I think that will always fail. At most, I support schooling systems where young mages can be taught to control their powers. I don't agree with how the Harrowing is conducted at all. Mages should be prepared for how to deal with a variety of demons. It shouldn't be something that's just sprung on them and we assume they're good because they dealt with one alright by chance. It proves nothing. Schooling should be supportive and actually educational. It should not be connected to the Chantry and religious dogma. At a certain point, mages should be free to leave. They should always be allowed to see their families. 

[HellaciousHutch]

Why even ask if entire 2 game didn't managed to convince you what is answer that what mages do in dai should be enough to tell that no they don't deserve their freedom because even now they cause enough trouble and destruction.

 

Well lets be honest here: The Templars should be locked up and stuff now as well, especially with what quite a few have become in Inquisition (Red Templars: crazed drug addicts that turn into just another form of abomination through red lyrium use).

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well lets be honest here: The Templars should be locked up and stuff as well, especially with what quite a few have become in Inquisition (Red Templars: crazed drug addicts that turn into just another form of abomination through red lyrium use).

Red templars should be destroyed same as every mage both are dangerous lunatics.Normal templars are necessary to hunt down mages only effecitve way to provide safety is kill mages and then repeat systematically.Circles proved that they don't work as we see in other games.

[Ynqve]

To be honest, I believe mages SHOULD be supervised, but only until they reach a certain age and level of knowledge in the magic arts. For instance: Give the mages more freedom (i.e. live in houses and communities outside of the Tower of Magi) once they pass the Harrowing, or become Tranquil. Trapping the mages in a tower for their entire lives like a prison is wrong, in my opinion, they should be able to choose once they reach a certain level.

 

It should be noted that I'm a supporter of the mages over the templars. 

 

 

Let them live their lives in peace, and bring them to justice if they start killing people. Locking them up in a gilded cage is not a good solution. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

To be honest, I believe mages SHOULD be supervised, but only until they reach a certain age and level of knowledge in the magic arts. For instance: Give the mages more freedom (i.e. live in houses and communities outside of the Tower of Magi) once they pass the Harrowing, or become Tranquil. Trapping the mages in a tower for their entire lives like a prison is wrong, in my opinion, they should be able to choose once they reach a certain level.
 
It should be noted that I'm a supporter of the mages over the templars.

Id say i support the idea of experienced mages that have proven that they can control their powers being given more freedoms with templars checking on them sometimes if away from the circles

[HellaciousHutch]

Red templars should be destroyed same as every mage both are dangerous lunatics.Normal templars are necessary to hunt down mages only effecitve way to provide safety is kill mages and then repeat systematically.Circles proved that they don't work as we see in other games.

 

But how many normal templars are there left, especially with the whole Templar v. Mage war going on in Inquisition?

[TheKomandorShepard]

But how many normal templars are there left? Especially with the whole Templar v. Mage war going on in Inquisition. 

Not all templars are red templars in fact i suspect that majority is still normal templars and red templars are only small faction.

[Samahl]

Advocating genocide within the first five posts! Lovely.

 

I think the best solution is Hogwarts.

[HellaciousHutch]

Advocating genocide within the first five posts! Lovely.

 

I think the best solution is Hogwarts.

 

But...Slytherian House makes people become Death Eaters, and Hufflepuff House can't teach people worth ****.

[Ynqve]

But...Slytherian House makes people become Death Eaters, and Hufflepuff House can't teach people worth ****.

 

I'll have you know that Hufflepuffs are particularly good finders!

[TheKomandorShepard]

And what exactly are the mages doing in DA:I that warrents their eternal imprisonment within the confines of a circle?

 

We don't even know who breached the veil. It might have been Flemeth (who isn't even really human), a demon, or a number of other characters.

 

Even if, let's say, a Tevinter mage is responsible, that doesn't mean that all mages should therefore be held accountable for the actions of that one person.

 

The Templars are tasked with controlling mages and ensuring that they don't get out of line, and how are they faring in DA:I? Most of them are on a red-lyrium induced high which makes the average maleficarium look like a tame bunny wabbit.

 

Well quote from note to arl Teagan . "Now we've got apostates running around setting fire to anyone who looks at them sideways" besides we know that it mages did that as we saw in redcliff.

As i said every mage can do that and they can't be controled as we saw so they need to be defused.We don't know that most of templars are red templars.

 

 

Okay, let me get this straight.

 

Not all templars are red templars .......... but all mages are maleficarum who derve to be put to death? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

All I can say is thank god you're not in power.

This is when you get too emotional i never said that all mages are maleficarium but they all are unstable bombs that need to be defused.Blood mage or not , ethical or not mage always will be huge danger no matter what.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Red templars should be destroyed same as every mage both are dangerous lunatics.Normal templars are necessary to hunt down mages only effecitve way to provide safety is kill mages and then repeat systematically.Circles proved that they don't work as we see in other games.

Trying to kill all mages would just be alot of work with little payoff.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Trying to kill all mages would just be alot of work with little payoff.

Well if no more disasters ,psycho mages and abomnations is little payoff then well...

[HellaciousHutch]

Well quote from note to arl Teagan . "Now we've got apostates running around setting fire to anyone who looks at them sideways" besides we know that it mages did that as we saw in redcliff.

As i said every mage can do that and they can't be controled as we saw so they need to be defused.We don't know that most of templars are red templars.

 

 

This is when you get too emotional i never said that all mages are maleficarium but they all are unstable bombs that need to be defused.Blood mage or not , ethical or not mage always will be huge danger no matter what.

 

The same argument could be used against Templars though and the use, the temptation, of red lyrium.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The same argument could be used against Templars though and the use, the temptation, of red lyrium.

And as i said red templars should be killed and red lyrium destrouyed so i agree i deal with them in same way.

[Ynqve]

Well quote from note to arl Teagan . "Now we've got apostates running around setting fire to anyone who looks at them sideways" besides we know that it mages did that as we saw in redcliff.

As i said every mage can do that and they can't be controled as we saw so they need to be defused.We don't know that most of templars are red templars.

 

 

This is when you get too emotional i never said that all mages are maleficarium but they all are unstable bombs that need to be defused.Blood mage or not , ethical or not mage always will be huge danger no matter what.

 

Well, what do you expect from them when they are in the middle of a revolution against the establishment? Of course they'll be on edge, the same goes for your dear templars. 

 

And I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what we saw in the demo. We don't really have the full context of how that happened and what choices led to that situation. They said that we may not even see that scene depending on what decisions we've made.

[Jazzpha]

I think mages deserve more than to be confined to the circles, but I also think the system is failing them, as other people have said. The Templars don't do enough to teach the mages how to control and understand their powers, they simply act as a sword of last resort. Preventative measures need to be taken to prepare Mages to fight against things like the threat of possession and the lure of Blood Magic, rather than just letting them fail and judging them with death for that failure.

It's a classic case of treating a symptom and not the disease itself. As long as that happens, the core issues will never be amicably resolved between the two parties.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly do i even need to say anything? my stance on the issue should be well known but for those who do not know it or who couldn't guess from the signature.

 

Magic is useful, it can be used in war or peace, but it is always dangerous, because it is useful it must be treated as a useful resource, because it is impossible to completely purge from the world, it must be treated as a constant. The circle isn't a perfect solution, but it is by far the best one presented, it keeps the dangers of magic safely contained from the world, and it keeps the mages safely out of the reach of the masses that would harm them for their curse.

 

It is dangerous however beyond anything, personal ambition, demonic influence, forbidden magic just to name a few, Truthfully the only utility magic should serve, should be at the behest of the various Nations of Thedas, and beyond that, the various factions and people who can afford to pay for the services of the circle. Ultimately Magic, Mages are a resource for the State and should be treated as such.