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[MisterJB]

Ah, the "Mages are walking nuclear weapons" argument. It's been a while. 

Perhaps not nuclear but they are walking bombs.

Hell, one of their spells is called "Walking Bomb".

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Well said.
Mages have an inherent advantage over other people and it is naive to believe they won't use it to get ahead which will, in time, lead to mages controlling the infrastructure of society. It is inevitable if they are given equal rights.

It seems that free mages always either take control or have some power over others eventually Eg: Tevinter magisters, Rivaini seers, Dalish keepers.

[Aaleel]

Ok lets ask that how do you know which mage will cause disaster or will turn into abomnation? You can't even to larger extent than with normal humans.Now lets tell we have serial killer he will hurt at best dozens peoples (and he/she would need be really successful).Now one mage is greater threat than non-mage criminal and don't even need to be criminal to be threat.It is like gun and nuclear bomb you don't treat them same way despite that both can be dangerous question is how dangerous they are.

 

We don't know what people will grow up to be leaders that wage wars for selfish reason, become slavers, or commit genocide against a group of people.  But we don't lock up everyone do we?  There have been been plenty of mass, largescale deaths in the history of Thedus caused by people who weren't mages.  Honestly everyone is a ticking time bomb because no one can see the future. 

[Aaleel]

Well said.

Mages have an inherent advantage over other people and it is naive to believe they won't use it to get ahead which will, in time, lead to mages controlling the infrastructure of society. It is inevitable if they are given equal rights.

 

But non-mages controlling the infrastructure of society, and oppressing the other group is fine though? 

[MisterJB]

But non-mages controlling the infrastructure of society, and oppressing the other group is fine though? 

The methods used are quite humane and reasonable. It's hardly opression; certainly leagues above how Tevinter treats their non-mages.

 

But yes, it's a matter of which group you choose to support. I choose the normal people.

[lil yonce]

Perhaps not nuclear but they are walking bombs.

Hell, one of their spells is called "Walking Bomb".

Are mages duds if not "set off"? The comparison can't go too far.

[Aaleel]

The methods used are quite humane and reasonable. It's hardly opression; certainly leagues above how Tevinter treats their non-mages.

 

But yes, it's a matter of which group you choose to support. I choose the normal people.

 

No it shouldn't matter which group you choose to support, wrong is wrong.  I think either side should have their freedom, and only people who commit crimes should be locked for the safety of others.  Anyone who acts outside of this is doing something wrong, Tevinter or Chantry.

 

But since your last post is just blatant hypocrisy, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

[MisterJB]

No it shouldn't matter which group you choose to support, wrong is wrong.  I think either side should have their freedom, and only people who commit crimes should be locked for the safety of others.  Anyone who acts outside of this is doing something wrong, Tevinter or Chantry.

 

But since your last post is just blatant hypocrisy, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Yes well, in the real world, you have to pick sides.

[TheKomandorShepard]

We don't know what people will grow up to be leaders that wage wars for selfish reason, become slavers, or commit genocide against a group of people.  But we don't lock up everyone do we?  There have been been plenty of mass, largescale deaths in the history of Thedus caused by people who weren't mages.  Honestly everyone is a ticking time bomb because no one can see the future. 

Ehhh do i have to explain that again? Peoples are cruel sure but they aren't mindless monsters that trash everything on their way.Slaver chose to be slaver , tyrant chose to be tyrant , mages don't chose to be abomnation or cause disaster (or at least some don't).Simple human can handle another human and slaver isn't danger for the world same as tyrant isn't if ruler is danger to the world he is put down by peoples he rules.Political power isn't same thing as personal power... So Hitler isn't equal to doomsday

[AshenEndymion]

 

But non-mages controlling the infrastructure of society, and oppressing the other group is fine though? 

 

Do you think the city elf could have saved Shiala from a mage version of Vaughan Kendall(the Arl of Denerim's son)?  More specifically, would the city elf have needed more luck/determination to do so from a mage than they did in Origins?

 

No it shouldn't matter which group you choose to support, wrong is wrong.  I think either side should have their freedom, and only people who commit crimes should be locked for the safety of others.  Anyone who acts outside of this is doing something wrong, Tevinter or Chantry.

 

As PsychoBlonde said last page, there is no real equality in Thedas.  It's a feudal system, so someone is going to get oppressed.  The question is whether or not you prefer the oppressors to be mages or not....

 

I'd prefer not.  Because it'd be easier to kill the non-mage in a rebellion, than it would be to kill the mage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes well, in the real world, you have to pick sides.

No, you don't. 

[Aaleel]

Yes well, in the real world, you have to pick sides.

 

umm in the real world, it works just like what I said.  What you're proposing has usually been on the wrong side of history, see Japanese internment camps if you need an example.

[MisterJB]

umm in the real world, it works just like what I said.  What you're proposing has usually been on the wrong side of history, see Japanese internment camps if you need an example.

And who decides what is the "wrong side of history"?

[MisterJB]

No, you don't. 

Of course we do. Perhaps not we, personally, everyday because we are meaningless in the grand scheme of things but world history results from clashes between different groups.

[Aaleel]

And who decides what is the "wrong side of history"?

 

When none of the people you locked up turn out to be what you said they were, and you end up apologizing and giving reparations for doing it, that's a pretty good clue.

[MisterJB]

When none of the people you locked up turn out to be what you said they were, and you end up apologizing and giving reparations for doing it, that's a pretty good clue.

Getting into pretty risque territory here. I'll answer by pm.

[aTigerslunch]

Mages need training, not confined, live freely, allowed visitations by family while studying. A big reason the mages uprisal is cause lack of freedom to see family. Just cause they can be taken over by a demon, doesn't mean they will. Tons of mages lived and died without a problem against demons.

 

 

 

A rogue can be just as dangerous as a mage honestly. Someone that can sneak into a Kings castle, slip into the bedchambers and one slice of the neck, cause havoc and chaos in a kingdom pretty easily, and didn't require magic.

[aTigerslunch]

Forgot to mention, my rogue sneaks in, assassinates the blood mage, the minions chase me around while my 3 companions move in. Killing a mage is actually not difficult at all.

[BloodKaiden]

Whether you are a non-mage or mage everyone should have the freedom of choice as a basic right. You can't predict how an individual mage or normal citizen might react or commit a crime based on a majority. Although I blame the religion of the Chantry and this whole Maker business when it comes to a lot of problem in Thedas.

[Aren]

There is only one solution for the mages...................... 

 

 

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[TheKomandorShepard]

There is only one solution for the mages...................... 

 

 

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But guy was a hypocrite and while his solution not so bad (at last for da mages) execution was pointlessly cruel.

[Vroom Vroom]

Well, keeping mages locked up or killing them are short term solution at best, because they'll always pop up and be around, but simply freeing them could pose a danger to the rest of Thedas, so something else needs to be done. So we have tranquility which puts an end to people having magic, I'm curious as to whether or not there is a way to lock what spells individuals can use or to reduce an individuals magic abilities, I couldn't find any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. If there exists a way to reduce what spells mages can use then it would at the very least reduce the danger they could pose and demons desirability towards them. I don't think fully removing magic would be a good idea, because Thedas needs magic to function.    

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, keeping mages locked up or killing them are short term solution at best, because they'll always pop up and be around, but simply freeing them could pose a danger to the rest of Thedas, so something else needs to be done. So we have tranquility which puts an end to people having magic, I'm curious as to whether or not there is a way to lock what spells individuals can use or to reduce an individuals magic abilities, I couldn't find any, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. If there exists a way to reduce what spells mages can use then it would at the very least reduce the danger they could pose and demons desirability towards them. I don't think fully removing magic would be a good idea, because Thedas needs magic to function.    

Unless you do that systematically that aspect worked in circles rather well.

[aTigerslunch]

Locking current mages away to tranquility will continue the mages wish to be free. They will be around, slaughtering, imprisoning after many decades/centuries still hasn't weeded them out, now normal citizens will get infected due to Fade veil broken.

 

Fight to wipe mages out will be an endless battle. Mages get born often, and will be around. It would be worse to force mages to want to deal with demons willingly to live and survive instead of trying to train them instead, with freedom of living, and seen their families.

 

Yes, I will oppose mages one time, otherwise will side with them each time. I still decline that mages are a major threat, when an assassin can kill one easily, or few.  Mix a little poison here, dab it there, drip it inside.........yep, poison, non-magical. "Give me few vials of toxin please."  "sure, 3 gold" "thanks mate", pulls lids, drops it into a castle's water source or towns water source....

 

 

yep, only mages can wipe out a town fast.... 

[aTigerslunch]

Oooooo even better.......

 

*moves around to drip volatile poison into bottles of wine intended for the orlesian ball, everyone drops dead with slow acting poison*  Rogue struck again, and no one will know it was that one person that just destroyed a huge noble party fun.