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Do the mages deserve freedom?


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Hellion Rex

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And Iron Bull's Axe

And Sera's bow?

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AresKeith

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And Sera's bow?


And Cullen's sword of truthiness :P

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Relax. I'm not gunning down anyone unless they shoot at me first.

But if you start gunning down mages who decide that they don't want to support the rebellion, then we have an issue.

 

I don't recall Adrian murdering any mage for having an ideological difference from her.



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And Cullen's sword of truthiness :P

And Solas' bald dome.


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I don't recall Adrian murdering any mage for having an ideological difference from her.

Really? Because I recall exactly that happening. Then she blamed the murder on her best friend.



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And Cullen's sword of truthiness :P

And Cassandra's Dagger.



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LobselVith8

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Really? Because I recall exactly that happening. Then she blamed the murder on her best friend.

 

I don't recall Pharamond being killed for opposing the Chantry controlled Circles, I recall that he wanted to die because he didn't want to become tranquil again.



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Hellion Rex

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I don't recall Adrian murdering any mage for having an ideological difference from her.

No, I was speaking in general. I'd have issue with rebel mages gunning down those mages who do not wish to take part in the rebellion.

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I don't recall Pharamond being killed for opposing the Chantry controlled Circles, I recall that he wanted to die because he didn't want to become tranquil again.

Fine. But since it's already established that Adrian is willing to kill/screw over fellow mages "for the greater good", I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she'd be willing to ice Mages who don't want to go on the warpath.

 

Sidenote: Dude, I have to ask, whats with the italicized "Chantry controlled"? I've noticed you always make careful note of anything that involves the Chantry. Like, why the emphasis? What other kind of Circles are there? Tevinter's? Why don't you just say The Circles, and Tevinter Circles when they come up? And why do you always call humans Andrastian Humans? It's not like there's any other kind of human, unless you count Qunari converts. I swear to God, you use that word more than every other poster on this forum combined. Why bother?



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Relax. I'm not gunning down anyone unless they shoot at me first.

But if you start gunning down mages who decide that they don't want to support the rebellion, then we have an issue.

I was only going to if they sided with the templars.



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Fine. But since it's already established that Adrian is willing to kill/screw over fellow mages "for the greater good", I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she'd be willing to ice Mages who don't want to go on the warpath.

 

Sidenote: Dude, I have to ask, whats with the italicized "Chantry controlled"? I've noticed you always make careful note of anything that involves the Chantry. Like, why the emphasis? What other kind of Circles are there? Tevinter's? Why don't you just say The Circles, and Tevinter Circles when they come up? And why do you always call humans Andrastian Humans? It's not like there's any other kind of human, unless you count Qunari converts. I swear to God, you use that word more than every other poster on this forum combined. Why bother?

There's also Chasind. And Tevinter. And Avvars. And Rivaini traditionalists.


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Fine. But since it's already established that Adrian is willing to kill/screw over fellow mages "for the greater good", I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she'd be willing to ice Mages who don't want to go on the warpath.

 

Sidenote: Dude, I have to ask, whats with the italicized "Chantry controlled"? I've noticed you always make careful note of anything that involves the Chantry. Like, why the emphasis? What other kind of Circles are there? Tevinter's? Why don't you just say The Circles, and Tevinter Circles when they come up? And why do you always call humans Andrastian Humans? It's not like there's any other kind of human, unless you count Qunari converts. I swear to God, you use that word more than every other poster on this forum combined. Why bother?

 

Because humans are ebil repugnant monsters and their chantry kicks puppies and locks mages up just because they might turn into a rage monster at the slightest provocation, and he feels the need  to make EXTRA sure you know who is involved in what evil.

 

After all humanity has never been given ANY reason to distrust mages or elves (the Dalish in particular)



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Also you are being too modern here. Thedas is very similar to Roman Times and even earlier like 200 BC or something. Anyway looking at things with that mindset makes things somewhat more acceptable.

 

Spartans didn't ask how many, they asked where are they. 



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Fine. But since it's already established that Adrian is willing to kill/screw over fellow mages "for the greater good", I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she'd be willing to ice Mages who don't want to go on the warpath.
 
Sidenote: Dude, I have to ask, whats with the italicized "Chantry controlled"? I've noticed you always make careful note of anything that involves the Chantry. Like, why the emphasis? What other kind of Circles are there? Tevinter's? Why don't you just say The Circles, and Tevinter Circles when they come up? And why do you always call humans Andrastian Humans? It's not like there's any other kind of human, unless you count Qunari converts. I swear to God, you use that word more than every other poster on this forum combined. Why bother?

I'd probably do the same as Lob if I wasn't on mobile most of the time.

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There's also Chasind. And Tevinter. And Avvars. And Rivaini traditionalists.

Tevinter is Andrastian, even if the Magisters are douchebags about it. The rest are so minor that they should be the ones who get the specific qualifiers. I'd say 95% of humans on the continent are Andrastian, thus, they don't need the modifier.



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There are many humans who are not Andrastian. Isabela is a good example.


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Hellion Rex

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There are many humans who are not Andrastian. Isabela is a good example.


Still, the majority probably are, even if that 95% is off.

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There are many humans who are not Andrastian. Isabela is a good example.

 And yet they are the vast minority in Thedas.



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Sidenote: Dude, I have to ask, whats with the italicized "Chantry controlled"? I've noticed you always make careful note of anything that involves the Chantry. Like, why the emphasis? What other kind of Circles are there? Tevinter's?

 

It's mainly that some people confuse an opposition to the Chantry controlled Circles with an opposition to the Circles of Magi in general, which isn't necessarily the case with many people who don't support the Chantry of Andraste or the Order of Templars having control of the Circles. People who disagree with the Circles as they are under the Chantry don't necessarily disagree that mages should be properly trained in the use of their abilities, simply that leaving the mages under the absolute authority of the Chantry and the templars is a mistake.

 

And why do you always call humans Andrastian Humans? It's not like there's any other kind of human, unless you count Qunari converts. I swear to God, you use that word more than every other poster on this forum combined. Why bother?

 

There are humans who don't follow the Andrastian faith, as Xil and Lulupab pointed out.


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Still, the majority probably are, even if that 95% is off.

 

 And yet they are the vast minority in Thedas.

 

Don't forget that not being an Andrastian in an Andrastian country is considered heathenism so people are kinda forced to be. Also there is huge variety here. Sebastian and Anders are both Andrastian, imagine that.



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Don't forget that not being an Andrastian in an Andrastian country is considered heathenism so people are kinda forced to be. Also there is huge variety here. Sebastian and Anders are both Andrastian, imagine that.


Even still, the majority are Andrastian, forced or no.

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Tevinter is Andrastian, even if the Magisters are douchebags about it. The rest are so minor that they should be the ones who get the specific qualifiers. I'd say 95% of humans on the continent are Andrastian, thus, they don't need the modifier.

There's the Andrastian Chantry, and the Imperial Chantry. The people of Tevinter would be the latter.

 

 

 And yet they are the vast minority in Thedas.

But grouping all humans together like that without the qualifier would be racist.



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Blatantly false. Templar abuse is NOT as widespread as the mage supremacists will have you believe.

 

Is that what the Chantry/templar told you? Lol.



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@LobselVith8:  What do you think would have happened to Rhys had they not rescued him?



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Don't forget that not being an Andrastian in an Andrastian country is considered heathenism so people are kinda forced to be. Also there is huge variety here. Sebastian and Anders are both Andrastian, imagine that.

 

That's quite true. Sebastian and Anders are both culturally and religiously Andrastian.