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[MisterJB]

So yeah. I'm glad you like playing Prince-consort Cousland, but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to gush over him.

Someone has a vendetta.

[Milan92]

Someone has a vendetta.

 

Its gotta be dat Golden Age.

[MisterJB]

Its gotta be dat Golden Age.

Maybe it's because of how the elves are featured in the Human Noble Origin.

When they aren't being yelled at and being subservient, they're being ploughed by the youngest noble who is about the fifth or sixth most important person in Ferelden.

[Lilium]

Yeah, I've yet to put a Cousland on the throne, but I certainly don't rant and rave about how 'I don't play it, so I don't care.' And in fact, just because I don't play it doesn't mean I don't care - my stance has always been that just because it's not how I play doesn't mean it shouldn't be represented (and vice versa, that just because it's how I play doesn't mean that's the only way to do it). There are going to be people who have games where their male Cousland married Anora, even if they're in the minority. They should get their decisions and choices in gameplay respected.

 

Some people just tend to forget that Bioware isn't customizing games personally for them, so they can get a bit pissy if there's something in the game they they didn't personally order.

 

I find the whole political marriage really interesting and it's a shame they it won't feature in DAI (at least from what I've heard)  

[Xilizhra]

King Consort. The PC has as much power as Prince Albert.

[EmperorSahlertz]

*snip*

Who hurt you?

[Xilizhra]

Wrong. Ferelden is an elective/constitutional monarchy which means most of the power rests with the nobility. Considering that the HN Warden can own up to 1/3 of Ferelden through lands and titles by the end of DA:O I'd say that their vote could overrule the Crown's at court or in the Landsmeet.

Great, now show me where the Warden held on to any of it, or where it ever became relevant again.

[Dabrikishaw]

I have 1 King and 1 Queen warden, everyone else is solo King Alistair. I wonder how that will be handled.

[Char]

Maybe it's because of how the elves are featured in the Human Noble Origin.

When they aren't being yelled at and being subservient, they're being ploughed by the youngest noble who is about the fifth or sixth most important person in Ferelden.

 

I... I'm not sure I agree with this. I didn't like how the kitchen elves were treated, but I took that as an example of the cook being a bit old, a bit crotchety, and a bit racist. A bit like a Dragon Age version of one of my grandfathers. I don't think it's necessarily fair to generalise that scenario to the rest of the inhabitants of Highever, because anyone encountering my paternal grandfather would probably think my family are all grumpy xenophobes and yet that couldn't be further from the truth. (One of the reasons I haven't spoken to him in about four years)

 

Iona's situation? Whilst I think there is some iffy areas involving the PC's authority position and potential coercion, the implication given by the game is that Iona finds male/female Cousland attractive and is not averse to sleeping with them. As much as it can be perceived as the human taking advantage, that doesn't have to be the case.

[Xilizhra]

I... I'm not sure I agree with this. I didn't like how the kitchen elves were treated, but I took that as an example of the cook being a bit old, a bit crotchety, and a bit racist. A bit like a Dragon Age version of one of my grandfathers. I don't think it's necessarily fair to generalise that scenario to the rest of the inhabitants of Highever, because anyone encountering my paternal grandfather would probably think my family are all grumpy xenophobes and yet that couldn't be further from the truth. (One of the reasons I haven't spoken to him in about four years)

 

Iona's situation? Whilst I think there is some iffy areas involving the PC's authority position and potential coercion, the implication given by the game is that Iona finds male/female Cousland attractive and is not averse to sleeping with them. As much as it can be perceived as the human taking advantage, that doesn't have to be the case.

The damning issue for the PC is being unable to call her out on it.

As for Iona, that might slip by narrowly due to the PC not actually having any authority over her. But it's still questionable.

[Milan92]

What's funny is that "Consort" is never mentioned in DA 2. Everyone calls him the warden king.

 

Leliana for example says: "He's a good king."

 

Guess Anora decided to drop the consort bit after a while.

[Char]

The damning issue for the PC is being unable to call her out on it.

As for Iona, that might slip by narrowly due to the PC not actually having any authority over her. But it's still questionable.

I agree with you. I think there are several areas in both games where I'd have liked the PC to be able to interject and say "that's not acceptable." I hope Inquisition offers us more in the way of that. Iona certainly is questionable, I won't deny that, and I didn't feel happy about pursuing her the one time I attempted it in Origins, and reloaded instead. I just don't think it's completely clear-cut.

[AresKeith]

Damn Fae. Your post is just so filled with salt. So salty.

It'll be okay.

The salt is real

[AresKeith]

My Cousland didn't need to be King because they already had the power of the Lannister/Starks

[LobselVith8]

Some people just tend to forget that Bioware isn't customizing games personally for them, so they can get a bit pissy if there's something in the game they they didn't personally order.

 

I find the whole political marriage really interesting and it's a shame they it won't feature in DAI (at least from what I've heard)  

 

Considering how many Cousland fans troll the elven threads and make thinly veiled racist comments (including one poster who said elves were the 'n word' of Thedas), I wouldn't blame Faerunner for thinking that the Human Noble Origin isn't the best thing since sliced bread.

[LobselVith8]

Don't let a few apples spoil the bunch.

 

I know all Cousland fans aren't like that. Honestly, I don't really have a strong opinion about the Cousland family, one way or the other; it was my least favorite origin, so I don't really give it too much attention. I do have friends who like playing as an Andrastian human, so I'm happy they have human options available (like the Cousland), even though the family and the racial option aren't my cup of tea.

 

 

However, I can understand the frustration when a plethora of Cousland poster jump from one elven thread to another to make hateful and racist comments, and I have people remarking to me how it's like they're using fantasy to express real world racism. I'm honestly not surprised that this kind of conduct would've soured some people away from the Cousland family. I'm Latino, and some other players are from different ethnic backgrounds, so it hits a bit close to home for some of us when people pull this crap.

[Steelcan]

there are people who take issue with Iona?  I mean it seemed pretty clear to me that she was interested, this wasn't "be in my bed or else" situation

[Xilizhra]

there are people who take issue with Iona?  I mean it seemed pretty clear to me that she was interested, this wasn't "be in my bed or else" situation

Dean's floated this idea by in other contexts, but the issue is that one party clearly has far more power than the other.

[AresKeith]

Dean's floated this idea by in other contexts, but the issue is that one party clearly has far more power than the other.

Iona wasn't the only option in the HN origins

[Master Warder Z_]

What's funny is that "Consort" is never mentioned in DA 2. Everyone calls him the warden king.

 

Leliana for example says: "He's a good king."

 

Guess Anora decided to drop the consort bit after a while.

 

Fereldan Refugee Shop Keeper: "The only Warden i know of is sitting on the Throne".

 

Though admittedly she states the same line if either the Warden or Alistair becomes King.

[Sir Edric]

Mostly I don't bother with a King Cousland cause of the fact that many of my headcanon plans concerning the state of turning Ferelden into a major political, economic and military power in the international scene would never come into fruition. 

 

I'm curious, how had you planned on achieving this? It does sound quite interesting.