From all I've heard of the pre-release he's a decent man, worthy of at least some respect. Maybe you can be justified in not trusting him at first because he's a Tevinter Magister, but seriously, he seems like a stand-up guy.
Given the long list of people that poster would kill, I doubt that Dorian's personality is much of a factor... they seem to want at least half the companions dead.
Given the long list of people that poster would kill, I doubt that Dorian's personality is much of a factor... they seem to want at least half the companions dead.
I came to rather the same conclusion when I saw Wynne on the list. Are you sure you're the magebane?
I came to rather the same conclusion when I saw Wynne on the list. Are you sure you're the magebane?
rofl... well played, good sir.
I couldn't pick any of the DAI characters out of a lineup-for what that's worth.
I'd recruit Wynne, Alistair, Leliana and that's about it.
They're all fairly good/faithful people and I won't be backstabbed by them.
Sten, Zevran and Morrigan on the other hand.... Sten fights you in Haven for leadership, Zevran abandons you to join the crows and Morrigan leaves before the final battle.
Worst. Friends. Ever.
You can make friends with Zevran so that he stays and takes out Taliesin
From all I've heard of the pre-release he's a decent man, worthy of at least some respect. Maybe you can be justified in not trusting him at first because he's a Tevinter Magister, but seriously, he seems like a stand-up guy.
As bad as he'd treat his enemies, look how he would treat the 'friends' on his list. Use this person, disrespect that person, run roughshod over everyone's feelings, because they don't matter. Not really sure he knows exactly what a friend is. Replace "friend" with "tool I would use and then cast aside when they are of no further use" and the post makes more sense.
Plus, he'd kill Dog. Seriously, the dog?! 
The one creature who's complete love and devotion never wavers.
Not sure he's being serious or just flaming/trolling to get attention.
From all I've heard of the pre-release he's a decent man, worthy of at least some respect. Maybe you can be justified in not trusting him at first because he's a Tevinter Magister, but seriously, he seems like a stand-up guy.
I would respect him more if he was a magister(even if he was old god worhipper like Titus or criminals like Caladrius, Danarius), but he is not and just another crap like Fernis and no better than any criminal from Tevinter(actually he is from Venatory so he is another criminal and ex-fanatic who would be executed in Tevinter)...he is exile with shame, laetan who never was a Magister, and he does not deserve to be that one
i find Dorian to be a clown(even more that Vivienne) who want to look fabulous and who will whine about how Tevinters and his family does not understand him, his feelings and how he is "cool"
i would try to kill Dorian if he would plan somethink like a revolt in Tevinter for his stupid reasons and if by joining in Inquisition he will get the title what he is not deserve(like was with wynne what we see in Asunder, who does not do anything for mages for years)...Tevinter does not need another Mae
i will recruit Dorian to simply heard some crap like Fernis give to us...i does not hope that i will get a real info about Tevinter from him
As bad as he'd treat his enemies, look how he would treat the 'friends' on his list. Use this person, disrespect that person, run roughshod over everyone's feelings, because they don't matter. Not really sure he knows exactly what a friend is. Replace "friend" with "tool I would use and then cast aside when they are of no further use" and the post makes more sense.
Plus, he'd kill Dog. Seriously, the dog?!
1)Morrigan is not a real friend and no different as Flemet...she is the same "friend" as Loghain was for Meric...you can be friend and romance with Morrigan but never trust her, only in what is profitably for her now and in future
...the best solution is use Morrigan ambitions for yourself..save your life get the glory, titles and riches and give a birth to a powerful person...not telling about go to eluvian
i was friend and romance with morrigan and go to eluvian...but if she or OGB will or try to do something what is not fit into what i expected/planned i would try to kill her, OGB and flemet with javana again and again without any problems
they use me, but i use them and have a better piece of cake
and Alistair is noone, he is Yesmen from Fallout...i does not like what he do with Magralen and i do not and never really care about this fool and what he is thinking i glad that he is not have a Templar mind and more a Grey Warden..only his title and Eamon control of Ferelden is matter without this he was useless and just a ordinary soldier who is no better than others
but thats Morrigan and Alistair, when i wrote be friend is mostly mean that i was a real friend and respect many of what they are and for what they stand and fight
2)i does not say that i killed dog companion))) even if i do or do not do this, i and anyone still kill dozens of mabari what was with many enemys in DA and DA2...i does not recruit ones because dogs is useless against swords and magic...they simply die like you see in Ostagar battle
I had no idea people here really disliked Sten.
The three people I would take on IRL is:
Sten: If you know about the Qun, then you know their strange warped honor. Because of that, I feel like Sten is very predictable. Predictability = controllability. He also is a Qunari, very formidable in combat. I would choose him because of his personality, I would choose him because he is a soldier and his training can be dependable
Alistair: For the sole reason that he too is a Warden. He is someone that will also fall in line but doesn't mind speaking his opinion on matters to provide perspective on situations (even if I don't agree with most of what he says). He also has Templar training which makes him dependable in combat.
Wynne: Her healing abilities makes her extremely valuable in combat. If this was real life, how could you not take someone like that? If I took a sword into the gut, I would put my life into Wynne's hands to save me before I bleed out. Most of my own morals align with her so I don't think I would have much to disagree with.
If there was a fourth, it would be Dog. Those mabari are huge! and they are smart.
As for everyone else, I could find a reason to take them all on and I honestly don't loathe any of them. I just picked my top 3 I would take IRL.
I had no idea people here really disliked Sten.
The three people I would take on IRL is:
Sten: If you know about the Qun, then you know their strange warped honor. Because of that, I feel like Sten is very predictable. Predictability = controllability. He also is a Qunari, very formidable in combat. I would choose him because of his personality, I would choose him because he is a soldier and his training can be dependable
I strongly disagree. Sten is impossible to read even with a semblance of meta-gaming understanding of his qunari honor. Ex: He'll disapprove heavily of not paying for the Green Blade in Redcliffe to the point where he steals your money to pay the woman, yet approves of killing 6 slaves for Caladrius' blood magic in the alienage.
And looking at his approval system on Dragon Age Wiki you see just how random it is. When he approves/disapproves of witty remarks is truly random. The safest bet is just to be flat and direct with him if you want approval although that makes conversations with him even more boring than normal.
Yes, I strongly dislike Sten. His recruitment is absurd and he's a child killer. I'm shocked people claim they'd recruit him without meta-gaming. Bioware intentionally gave him such a horrible backstory giving every cautionary reason to leave him in that cage and it still doesn't shy people away. Nor do people feel Sten deserves justice and not redemption. He's also the most boring conversationalist and you have to squeeze every word out of him because he'd rather just be silent all the time. "There is no point to this, let us move on."
Sten: If you know about the Qun, then you know their strange warped honor. Because of that, I feel like Sten is very predictable. Predictability = controllability. He also is a Qunari, very formidable in combat. I would choose him because of his personality, I would choose him because he is a soldier and his training can be dependable
I strongly disagree. Sten is impossible to read even with a semblance of meta-gaming understanding of his qunari honor. Ex: He'll disapprove heavily of not paying for the Green Blade in Redcliffe to the point where he steals your money to pay the woman, yet approves of killing 6 slaves for Caladrius' blood magic in the alienage.
It's hard to argue with evidence like this... let's not forget about the fact that very few people would know anything about the Qun when the first meet Sten. They might know about the Qunari as a race that is at war with Tevinter, but even then, very few people on Thedas know anything about their philosophy. There's no reason to take such a risk when all you know is that he's a very large murderer that freely admits to killing a family of unarmed farmers who saved his life and gave him shelter. There is no way I would trust this guy to follow me around for any length of time.
I would respect him more if he was a magister(even if he was old god worhipper like Titus or criminals like Caladrius, Danarius), but he is not and just another crap like Fernis and no better than any criminal from Tevinter(actually he is from Venatory so he is another criminal and ex-fanatic who would be executed in Tevinter)...he is exile with shame, laetan who never was a Magister, and he does not deserve to be that one
i find Dorian to be a clown(even more that Vivienne) who want to look fabulous and who will whine about how Tevinters and his family does not understand him, his feelings and how he is "cool"
i would try to kill Dorian if he would plan somethink like a revolt in Tevinter for his stupid reasons and if by joining in Inquisition he will get the title what he is not deserve(like was with wynne what we see in Asunder, who does not do anything for mages for years)...Tevinter does not need another Mae
i will recruit Dorian to simply heard some crap like Fernis give to us...i does not hope that i will get a real info about Tevinter from him
There's a difference between being a well-written character (and I don't think we have enough information to judge that yet, which is part of why I'm not commenting on that) and being a good person.
If it was me, in real life, I would recruit Sten, because I wouldn't bear the idea I left him in cage for darkspawn. I would also recruit Zevran, though I'd probably keep him tied/under control for some time, for several reasons - I wouldn't kill him in cold blood after the interrogation, helpless and wounded, but I wouldn't let him just walk away free either. And I believe in second chances. 
Also, both he and Sten are the only really skilled warriors/soldiers.
I probably wouldn't recruit Leliana. Yes, she later turns out to be okay, but I wouldn't know that in Lothering. A nun who fights like her, who just happens to appear right at the moment with Loghain's soldiers, saying the God told her to help me? Only an idiot wouldn't find it suspicious. For all the Wardens know, she could be anything from a spy to another assassin.
I also wouldn't r3ecruit Oghren. He's a drunkard. I wouldn't want him around. Same goes for Fenris. I hate drunkards and people with weak minds who wallow in self-pity.
I wouldn't Loghain. Ever. A general who cost the country half of its army, caused a civil war without thinking of the consequences, and sold the citizens into slavery, but refuses to take responsibility? No thanks. Although, in real life, I wouldn't kill him directly at the Landsmeet, I'd imprison him.
And... honestly, I don't think I'd have patience to babysit Alistair. I'd kick him out after the first tantrum. Okay, maybe after the second. I'd want someone reliable, who would support me (he's the senior Warden and a man, after all), who isn't afraid to take responsibility for his actions. Alistair is none of that.
I would also kick out Velianna in Awakening and Anders in DA2. Maybe also Merrill - her naivete was amusing at first, but then I realised she remained that stupid for whole 7 years... she's a simpleton who requires a constant care of others, yet refuses to listen to advice, until she causes tragedy.
I'd probably end up with Alistair and my mabari 
Morrigan would've traveled with me to the Lothering and then we would've part ways.
Lol so much hate on Sten and Zevran. Sure Zevran will run off if he doesn't like you, but guess what..You have to give him reason not to. The only way I could ever have my companions run off is if I was a jerk to them. Out of all my playthroughs, I have never had them in negative approval of me. If they did such things then that was a fault on your part, not their's. I wouldn't want to be around a jerk either. Zevran failed his contract so it doesn't even make sense how he could return to the Crows when he said they would kill him on sight for failure. I'd recruit Zevran. He's a fun friend to have and when fighting an enemy like the dark spawn, I don't think you want to have a group of folks who only play by the rules. I need some who are willing to fight dirty because the dark spawn aren't going to show mercy. If you get Zevran to tell you about Rinna, you'll think very differently about him.
In Sten's case, it makes me wonder if people actually talked to him. Sten put himself in the cage and tells you his honor was forfeit when he did what he did. Being that Sten later becomes the Arishok, I feel more comfort in knowing that he was a friend instead of an enemy. He pretty much tells you if the Qunari ever did invade Ferelden then he wouldn't look for you on the battlefield
I'd recruit Leliana. Can't believe someone blasted her about her beliefs <.< Don't think someone should be playing if that stuff bothers them because the Maker stuff is heavy in these games. I admire her. She made mistakes but she wanted to change her life and do good. Nothing wrong with her strongly believing in her faith. If it makes her stronger then good. Since the dark spawn bring fear and despair, it's nice to have companions along that don't give up hope
Would recruit Isabella. I mostly want to say I'd take her along because she was nice to look at lol
Would not take Morrigan. Morrigan got on my nerves with how she complains about everything and acts like she knows it all. I always let her drink from the Well of Sorrows just so I can see the look on her face when she runs into Flemeth (Idk how to do spoilers so highlight the word if you wanna know 
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I pretty much take everyone though. They all have their ups and downs but they all provide skills needed to confront the enemy. I especially take those who want to redeem their names. If I made a mistake, I would hope that someone would give me the chance to make up for it instead of saying "nope you gotta die"
Edit: To those questioning Zevran, get him to open up to you about Rinna and then see if you still feel the same way about him. I literally thought so differently about Zevran once he revealed his real reasoning as to why he was in Ferelden
If I'm completely honest, I would not recruit Zevran or Sten for the reasons the OP mentioned. I would also not recruit Oghren, since I would probably see little more than a useless drunk in him. >.>
I would probably not recruit Loghain... I belong to the faction that believes his down-sides outweigh the good side he could bring into the group.
In DAO to be honest, if I was as desperate and had as big hill to climb as Alistair and the Warden did, I would most likely take all the help I could get and sort it all out once things had settled. Desperation makes for strange bedfellows.
Agreed, about the only Companion that would really be iffy is Z ... Sten gets a pass mostly because my Warden reads more into him turning himself in she probably ought to coupled with the feelings of her companions.
To be honest 100% only
Dog
Alistair
Wynne
Leliana
the others
are there only for their own reasons (aside of Loghain if you spare him)
In real life.... The Sten...
Not until he goes to some anger management program.
The big guy is soooooo unstable.... big problem.
Lol so much hate on Sten and Zevran. Sure Zevran will run off if he doesn't like you, but guess what..You have to give him reason not to. The only way I could ever have my companions run off is if I was a jerk to them. Out of all my playthroughs, I have never had them in negative approval of me. If they did such things then that was a fault on your part, not their's. I wouldn't want to be around a jerk either. Zevran failed his contract so it doesn't even make sense how he could return to the Crows when he said they would kill him on sight for failure. I'd recruit Zevran. He's a fun friend to have and when fighting an enemy like the dark spawn, I don't think you want to have a group of folks who only play by the rules. I need some who are willing to fight dirty because the dark spawn aren't going to show mercy. If you get Zevran to tell you about Rinna, you'll think very differently about him.
In Sten's case, it makes me wonder if people actually talked to him. Sten put himself in the cage and tells you his honor was forfeit when he did what he did. Being that Sten later becomes the Arishok, I feel more comfort in knowing that he was a friend instead of an enemy. He pretty much tells you if the Qunari ever did invade Ferelden then he wouldn't look for you on the battlefield.
Edit: To those questioning Zevran, get him to open up to you about Rinna and then see if you still feel the same way about him. I literally thought so differently about Zevran once he revealed his real reasoning as to why he was in Ferelden
THIS. The Sten is a force to be feared, but he has a sense of honor and is also worthy of respect.
And Zevran... my first playthrough, I was already romancing him when Rinna came up and it still made my heart melt to hear him talk about something so obviously painful. And then there was the fight with Taliesen and the scenes after that. The feels.
In real life, I would never even consider recruiting Zevren. Far too risky.
Sten I may recruit, if only because he fully accepts his punishment for a crime he admits to doing.
I would invite Leliana along for the same reasons Alistair says. She doesn't seem like "princess stabbity."
Morrigan, I wouldn't trust but I would need her, and unless she did something other than be vague and callous, I can't really deny someone willing to help.
THIS. The Sten is a force to be feared, but he has a sense of honor and is also worthy of respect.
And Zevran... my first playthrough, I was already romancing him when Rinna came up and it still made my heart melt to hear him talk about something so obviously painful. And then there was the fight with Taliesen and the scenes after that. The feels.
Nobody hates Zevran or Sten - why would you think so? It's just the way they are given to us excludes any chance to recruit them "in real life" (means, without meta-gaming knowledge that companions will never turn on you unless you make them). And it was explained why. Both of them are the weakest cause in DAO recruitment-wise, hence, so many posts about them in particular.
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