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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

(Apologies in advance for any typos, weird grammar or terrifying autocorrects, I'm on my phone and don't have much time thanks)

I ask the titled question because the vast majority of generic enemies we've seen in combat so far seem to be male.

DA2 was very good about this I thought, but in the early trailers for da:I we just saw male inquisition fighters and male grey wardens.

If these suspicions are founded, then this combined with the 6:3 gender ratio of our companions makes me concerned about the presence true proportional representation of sexes in this game.

This problem goes beyond human enemies (although this is more a question than a concern at the moment):

So a bit go we saw an image of a big tusked thing (can't remember if they called it a giant or a troll) are there female version of these, or will they be inexplicably absent ala skyrim (and yes, it would be inexplicably: unlike armies etc in which one could argue it's fair enough that there are slightly fewer females, these giants are wild and so would most likely be numerically equally male and female). Will there be female giants/trolls?


I understand that making female enemies takes resources, but SURELY fair representation for its customers is a priority for Bioware? I mean, they're awesome, they're not 'females-aren't-worth-the-resources' Ubisoft.

Thanks for reading

[JamesLeung]

Taking a quick look at the list of topics currently on the front page of Scuttlebutt, this topic doesn't seen any more or less relevant for discussion than the other threads currently ongoing. OP, you are perfectly within reason to bring this up, given the little information you may have with the game, and you should not feel belittled for doing so.

 

And for what it's worth, I've never felt like the term Social Justice Warrior was an insult.

 

There's obviously very little I can share with you to address your concerns one way or another. I'm pretty sure I can't discuss (or at least I shouldn't, just to be safe) anything about the enemies you'll be fighting. I can say, anecdotally, that in my own personal playthroughs, I've found the composition of your Inquisition's forces to be fairly diverse gender-wise. 

 

One last note to all in the thread, please try and stay on topic. Thanks.

[Allan Schumacher]

Well no, SJW describes people who actively seek to attack others over issues they know little to nothing about and they generally don't care about not upsetting others. They only care about being the most progressive and the most tolerant, it's an ego thing. As far as I can tell nobody in this thread in one because a SJW would just be ranting about how sexist and racist bioware is. 

 

But seriously, true SJW's are some of the most horrible people I have ever come across and I am speaks as someone who has very progressive views for the most part. 

 

Much the same way that feminist gets used as a disparaging term universally, so does SJW.  I have been called one on this very forum (and people have taken it to other places like Twitter to accuse me of it as well).  As such, the term is a pejorative and I'm not particularly keen on its usage because it's typically not necessary.

 

 

More generally, I'm cleaning up the thread now in case people want to edit their posts, btw....

[Allan Schumacher]

Ugh, it's getting a bit weird now.

I know i am a bit suicidal with this opinion, since the first one to voice it allready got screamed down.

But is this really that important an issue? Don't get me wrong i am all for more female characters in games, but the OP specifically asks for GENERIC female npcs. You know, the ones not a single person cares about. 

Ok, so apparently from what i read here DA 2 and Skyrim had an equal representation of genders with "generic rogue 2054".

I played both games. Skyrim for a rediculous amount of hours and i didn't even notice. 

Don't get me wrong it is kind of weird that this kind of thing isn't industry standart right now and i support that this should be embraced.

But i honestly I care way more about the main characters. When the main characters of the story are well represented and characterised i couldn't care less whether enemy number 3956 is male or female.

 

It might not be to you, but keep in mind that any one person's issues might not be important to other people.  I'm sure I could share things I consider important that others wouldn't care about.  There's probably some things that you think are the most important that others don't think are really that important either.

 

Like James had mentioned: it's cool to share it.  It's just someone saying "This thing is something I think would be good for the game."  As long as it's not something ostensibly offensive (and I don't think it is) then fair enough.

[JamesLeung]

Women in combat: will DAI have proportional numbers of female enemies?

 

For the sake of immersion, I certainly hope not.

 

I'm a grown-ass man, beating up a bunch of virtual-women (as they scream in agony, no less) gives me ZERO satisfaction (and almost makes me feel guilty).

 

Ladies, you can't have it all; you can't spend this week tearing-down the NFL for not punishing Ray Rice enough for domestic abuse, while at the same time trying to get video-game publishers to add more imagery of violence against women.

 

I know Dragon Age is supposed to be fantasy; but as men, we can only suspend reality so much.

 

Let me get this straight:

 

Massive multi-storey fire-breathing dragons? Okay.

Dimension-bending tears in the fabric of reality? Totally cool.

Conjuring fire with the power of your mind? You can totally dig it.

Demons formed from the dark emotions of the living taking corporeal form? Your immersion is just fine.

 

A world where women aren't discouraged from taking up arms to fight? Whoa, suspension of reality can only go so far. What is this, some kind of fantasy?

[Allan Schumacher]

Is 1 in 5 common?

[Allan Schumacher]

Well... Yes. I guess it depends on context. I mean think if a new airborne disease broke out and the fatality rate was 1 in 5, I would call dying to that disease to be pretty common at those numbers.

 

The context isn't an airborne disease.  What's the measuring stick for whether or not this context is common?

[Allan Schumacher]

1 in 5 soldiers being women would mean women soldiers is common.

 

So what is the measuring stick?  What is uncommon?

[Allan Schumacher]

I feel like you're just trying to turn this into an argument...

 

Anyway, 1 in 7 would be uncommon and 1 in 10 would be rare.

 

It's not an argument?  It certainly seems like a disagreement and I see people pulling out the word exceptional in reference to being uncommon.

 

The OP is asking for 1 in 5 warriors to be women.  You're saying that 20 fighters out of 100 is common, but 14 fighters out of 100 is uncommon.  10 fighters out of 100 is rare.

 

Are these values simply gut feelings on your part?

[Allan Schumacher]

Apparently, if some recent studies are anything to go by, men tend to perceive situations where ~17% of the cast are women as "there's equal amounts of women and men". So yeah, in that sense --ridiculous as it is-- these men would see having 20% women as "over representation".

 

I haven't actually seen the study (just references) for that, but I have seen that and similar stuff.  PBS mentions an experiment where a teacher forced themselves to give equal focus to boy/girl students, and the boys felt the girls were receiving 90% of the attention.

 

Though if the measurement of commonality is based upon the perception of someone, I'm naturally going to be somewhat skeptical that that perception is completely untainted by bias.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm merely saying I have no problem with 1 in 5.

 

If 1 in 5 doesn't really bother you, then my inquiry is probably less applicable to you (it was a general question to the thread).

 

 

So for the thread, why is 1 in 5 too common?

[Allan Schumacher]

Not sure what Cullen and blood mages has to do with the topic.

[Allan Schumacher]

Looking at Ostagar, it seemed to be a 25%/30% female ratio.

 

This certainly frames the OP's request in a different light.  Thank you.

[Allan Schumacher]

The thing that really blows my mind here is that the OP isn't even suggesting an equal split, they're suggesting a minority percentage and people still think that's unrealistic.

 

And possibly a number that is less than what we saw in Ostagar.

[Allan Schumacher]

Since we're discussing fair representation, how come the majority of dogs are mabari? I have seen a couple of regular stray dogs, but they certainly weren't anything important. Just background NPCs really. I know Fereldan is famous for mabari, but surely other dogs are brought there or migrate there, especially since Fereldans love their dogs.

It's hard for my mini schnauzer when I play Dragon Age. I always have to tell him that he is just as important as mabari. He isn't as big, sure. And he gets regularly groomed and enjoys the luxuries of life, but I know if dark spawn attacked me, he'd come to wreck, dawg.

 

This post frustrates me....

 

I don't think your satire is being very effective.  It reads as dismissive.