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[Pateu]

proportional representation of sexes in this game

 

I hope we'll get that, too, one day.

 

Since you know, in real life there are way more male soldiers than female.

 

All this 1:1 forced, politically correct quota makes me sick.

[phantomrachie]

I hope we'll get that, too, one day.

 

Since you know, in real life there are way more male soldiers than female.

 

All this 1:1 forced, politically correct quota makes me sick.

 

I don't think anyone is asking for 1:1, at least not on this thread. In fact the OP is simply looking for 10% -20%. 

 

I'm certainly not looking for a 50/50 split, but I'd like to see more enemies who are women.

 

The split in DA:O & DA2 was mostly fine so if DA:I continues that then I'll be happy.

[Ianamus]

I hope we'll get that, too, one day.

 

Since you know, in real life there are way more male soldiers than female.

 

All this 1:1 forced, politically correct quota makes me sick.

 

A large number of the enemies we'll be facing are mages. Are there more male mages than female mages in real life?

 

Even all the enemy mages we saw in the demo and trailers were male.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Oh my, what in heavens does that even mean???
Are people... is this for real?
People ask about fantasy - but make it realistically, and then ask for equal/proportional female representation. How the hell?
 
NPCs in general or enemies? If the latter I might ask - what's the ratio of women taking up arms and standing against men in conflict? Realistically speaking, there should be less female opponents ( as troops/cannon-fodder) in this game.

I am asking for about 10-20% of our enemies being female, which, like it or not, fits with the setting and established lore.

The point about fantasy is irrelevant: in THIS fantasy world, women fight a lot, and so this should be represented for accuracy's sake.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I hope we'll get that, too, one day.
 
Since you know, in real life there are way more male soldiers than female.
 
All this 1:1 forced, politically correct quota makes me sick.

But this is fantasy, not real life, and in the games so far women have been shown to fight a hell of a lot.

I never asked for 1:1. I'm asking for 10-20% o our enemies to be female, and roughly half of mages to be female, which I think is reasonable.

[javeart]

(...) You can't control how others will act, but you can control how you react to them. So, kudos to you for mastering the force.

 

Now I'm worried it might sounded like I would be acting like a **** myself if I wasn't capable of ingnoring them   So, just in case, I wanted to make clear I only meant ignoring them to avoid a pointless and probably unpleasant argument which would only help derailing the thread    

[Pateu]

A large number of the enemies we'll be facing are mages. Are there more male mages than female mages in real life?

 

 

Yes, because I was clearly talking about mages.

[Pateu]

But this is fantasy, not real life, and in the games so far women have been shown to fight a hell of a lot.

I never asked for 1:1. I'm asking for 10-20% o our enemies to be female, and roughly half of mages to be female, which I think is reasonable.

 

Then why are people asking for representation, if this is not real life?

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Then why are people asking for representation, if this is not real life?

Because of the second half of the sentence you highlighted?  Because it's clearly part of the lore that happens fairly frequently, and part of the previous two games?  Honestly this thread seems a little pointless in that it's meeting trouble at the bald hills, and we have no evidence that Bioware WON'T keep up with their previous record, and given the comments from GaymerX it seems likely it's already addressed.  For which I'm glad, because otherwise this thread would be seriously disturbing - why is this such a problem for so many of you?  What happened to live and let live?  Will it really impact your game that much if someone feels it would be improved with more equal representation of genders in generic faceless mooks?  It's clearly important to them, but it must be important to you given how much time you're spending saying how unimportant it is.  How will it impact on your lives?  

[Pateu]

why is this such a problem for so many of you?  What happened to live and let live?

 

I greatly dislike token characters that are there just for the sake of being politically correct.

 

Aveline somehow managing to tackle Hawke and ground and pound him springs to mind. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Then why are people asking for representation, if this is not real life?

Because parts of real life can be and are represented in fantasy, and dragon age's lore already states that there are many female soldiers?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I greatly dislike token characters that are there just for the sake of being politically correct.
 
Aveline somehow managing to tackle Hawke and ground and pound him springs to mind. 

Suggesting that NO females are stronger than ANY males is just factually incorrect.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I greatly dislike token characters that are there just for the sake of being politically correct.
 
Aveline somehow managing to tackle Hawke and ground and pound him springs to mind. 

Furthermore, are you REAPLY saying hat ace line as a character is only there for political correctness?

There is ONE strong female in dragon age and she's just a political statement rather than a character in her own right?

You're either a troll or just really silly and as such I shan't be discussing this with you further.

[javeart]

Also, I personally think that not only  for mages, but also a 50-50 ratio (or something close to that, at least) could make sense for rogues. Rogue's fighting style it's not about strenght, not mostly at least, and there have been plenty of females rogues in the game (and the books)

[simpatikool]

This conversation is just ridiculous. Delays of DAI have caused this!

[phantomrachie]

I greatly dislike token characters that are there just for the sake of being politically correct.

 

Aveline somehow managing to tackle Hawke and ground and pound him springs to mind. 

 

There are women that are stronger than men and it is possible for someone to tackle a person who is stronger to the ground with the right technique - so your example makes no sense.

 

While I agree that token characters are annoying, I think you're definition of what a token character is, is off.  

 

Tokenism is including a character to appeal to women, minorities, LGBTs etc and making that aspect of them the most important thing about their character. 

 

Token characters do nothing else but tell you how much of a women they are, how black they are or how gay they are.

 

Aveline is in no way a Token character since there is much more to her than the 'Strong Women' character trope.

 

Some people (I'm not saying you do) seem to think that including any character that in anyway different is tokenism, which is ridiculous.

 

Edit: typo

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

You know what?  Much as 4chan can be a hive of scum and villainy, occasionally it produces gems like this thread.  

 

http://suptg.thisisn...chive/29612161/

 

Actual rebuttals using historical examples of most of the idiocy here starts about halfway down - the rest is standard 4chan fare and can be skipped to prevent san loss/fetish gain.  

[Pateu]

Suggesting that NO females are stronger than ANY males is just factually incorrect.

 

Did I say that?

 

I'm saying the average woman isn't as strong as the average man.

 

There are women that are strong then men

 

Sure there are. But Aveline doesn't or shouldn't have anything over Hawke. Hawke's no book worm. Even the mage version of Hawke wears heavy armor ( champion's armor has plate ).

 

So Aveline tackling him with Hawke not being able to react makes no sense.

[Pateu]

Tokenism is including a character to apply to women, minorities, LGBTs etc and making that aspect of them the most important thing about their character.

 

No, tokenism is making a character that doesn't fit or is unrealistic to the setting for the purpose of pleasing the crowds.

 

If Geralt was suddenly given a homosexual romance it would be tokenism, since it's established Geralt is heterosexual.

[Pateu]

There is ONE strong female in dragon age

 

When that one strong female happens to literally be the only character in the series that tackles down my main character and I can't stop it, yeah.

 

It's a gross exaggeration and draws at the '' GURL POWER!!! '' chords. 

 

And Cassandra looks the same.

[phantomrachie]

Sure there are. But Aveline doesn't or shouldn't have anything over Hawke. Hawke's no book worm. Even the mage version of Hawke wears heavy armor ( champion's armor has plate ).

 

So Aveline tackling him with Hawke not being able to react makes no sense.

 

Aveline was trained by her father who was a Chevalier, Hawke was trained by a Mage who picked up combat. 

 

If we base it purely on strenght that it is definitely possible that Aveline is stronger than a male Mage or Rogue Hawke and possibly a Warrior Hawke too given how long she has been fighting for.

 

If we base it on skill then Aveline is probably more skilled than a Hawke of any class given her history and experience

 

In either scenario it is possible for her to tackle a make Hawke to the ground.

[cronshaw]

(Apologies in advance for any typos, weird grammar or terrifying autocorrects, I'm on my phone and don't have much time thanks)

I ask the titled question because the vast majority of generic enemies we've seen in combat so far seem to be male.

DA2 was very good about this I thought, but in the early trailers for da:I we just saw male inquisition fighters and male grey wardens.

If these suspicions are founded, then this combined with the 6:3 gender ratio of our companions makes me concerned about the presence true proportional representation of sexes in this game.

This problem goes beyond human enemies (although this is more a question than a concern at the moment):

So a bit go we saw an image of a big tusked thing (can't remember if they called it a giant or a troll) are there female version of these, or will they be inexplicably absent ala skyrim (and yes, it would be inexplicably: unlike armies etc in which one could argue it's fair enough that there are slightly fewer females, these giants are wild and so would most likely be numerically equally male and female). Will there be female giants/trolls?


I understand that making female enemies takes resources, but SURELY fair representation for its customers is a priority for Bioware? I mean, they're awesome, they're not 'females-aren't-worth-the-resources' Ubisoft.

Thanks for reading

 

I'm not sure your assumption that because something is "wild" the genders would be equally represented is accurate. The natural world is seldom egalitarian. This is moot however because this seems to be an issue where developers like to err on the side of making everyone happy as opposed to erring on the side of verisimilitude. 

[Navasha]

I have no problem with women in combat and yes, I hope to see quite a few of them as enemies as well.

 

That said, "political correctness" has been and always will be a form of censorship, and as such I am 100% against it.