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Women in combat: will DAI have proportional (~20% female soldiers, ~50% female mages) numbers of female enemies?


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Or by putting points into strength.

Men and women having the same level of str, dex, con, int, wis, and char has been the standard in RPGs for a couple of decades now. I can't remember the last time I played a cRPG or PnP RPG and gender impacted the stats of the PC or the NPCs.

 

I think Oblivion gives women less str and more dex, actually. But you don't see it on the info bit about the races. It shows after you created the character. I agree 100 percent with your point, though.



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Women are stronger from the hips and down, though. Naturally stronger. Has to do with their bodies being able to carry children, I belive.



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Women are stronger from the hips and down, though. Naturally stronger. Has to do with their bodies being able to carry children, I belive.

 

If that were true, women would be faster. 100 meter scores disagree.



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Again, the extant lore of Thedas should apparently set the probabilities for such issues.

Went through much of this with D&D rules of the past; the difference now is that the system plays the opponents and much of the role as GM. Not much of an issue for me as I equated fictional characters back in the '70's, but for those wanting realistic probabilities, Thedas is not Earth.

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If that were true, women would be faster. 100 meter scores disagree.

 

Upper thighs are stronger. About 20 percent (looked it up). Broader hips means broader center of gravity etc. Long legs makes faster runners. More important than strong legs. Apparantly.



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muscle mass and strength are predominantly determined by the presence of testosterone

 

men are just naturally stronger due to that, that's ignoring cultural norms placing emphasis on male physical strength


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but for those wanting realistic probabilities, Thedas is not Earth.

 

Am I discussing its climate?

 

Am I claiming the Qunari should be dark skinned because they come from hot areas? 

 

No. I'm saying that just because it's fantasy it doesn't mean the laws of physics go away. Men are larger and bigger. They are obviously stronger, else Qunari wouldn't be a threat since their size wouldn't matter.

 

I'm simply saying more men should be in the military because they're naturally stronger and more fit for combat. IF you can't deal with that, you're so biased you're arguing with basic anatomy and that is no longer my problem.



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Women in combat: will DAI have proportional numbers of female enemies?

For the sake of immersion, I certainly hope not.

I'm a grown-ass man, beating up a bunch of virtual-women (as they scream in agony, no less) gives me ZERO satisfaction (and almost makes me feel guilty).

Ladies, you can't have it all; you can't spend this week tearing-down the NFL for not punishing Ray Rice enough for domestic abuse, while at the same time trying to get video-game publishers to add more imagery of violence against women.

I know Dragon Age is supposed to be fantasy; but as men, we can only suspend reality so much.


Thinking killing women is worse than killing men is just pure sexism, and so isn't a very good reason.

Others on this thread have brought up lots of interesting counter points without resorting to sexism.
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Again, the extant lore of Thedas should apparently set the probabilities for such issues.

Went through much of this with D&D rules of the past; the difference now is that the system plays the opponents and much of the role as GM. Not much of an issue for me as I equated fictional characters back in the '70's, but for those wanting realistic probabilities, Thedas is not Earth.

 

Fantasy worlds are to be treated as our own world, unless the lore explains otherwise, and why.

 

Given that there is no difference on physical stats on males and females, that is how it works in Thedas. Counts as part of the lore, I suppose.


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Men and women can have the same level of str, dex, con, int, wis and char. 
Each person is unique and can increase what it prefer.
It's horrible to say that men need to be warriors and women need to be mage, healer or archer.
Why restrictions? It is not necessary.
We can be the class that we wish.
 
I understand that the writer can decide how its world will work. But gender restrictions about human skills is not necessary.
 
 
If you see the most online rpgs, they are sexist. They restric men as physical fighters and women as mystic apprentices. It's boring.

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Please don't speak for me.


Nor for me.

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Fantasy worlds are to be treated as our own world, unless the lore explains otherwise, and why.

 

Given that there is no difference on physical stats on males and females, that is how it works in Thedas. Counts as part of the lore, I suppose.

 

So you're saying a dwarf is as strong as a qunari?

 

Since, you know. Size apparently doesn't matter.

 

Just admit that this is all political correctness and I'm not one bit wrong in what I'm claiming.

 

t's horrible to say that men need to be warriors and women need to be mage, healer or archer.

 

I am not saying that, God's sake.

 

I'm saying it is natural to see more NPC MALE WARRIORS than FEMALES due to the MALE gender having BIOLOGICAL advantages that make them better WARRIORS.



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Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean the laws of physics are thrown out the window.

 

Actually, they are. The way everyone in DA2 moves while fighting is pretty much impossible. Isabela's thigh-high boots are incredibly impractical as well, and yet, she can do all the same things that any other rogue can. Dragons shouldn't be able to fly either.



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So you're saying a dwarf is as strong as a qunari?

 

Since, you know. Size apparently doesn't matter.

 

Just admit that this is all political correctness and I'm not one bit wrong in what I'm claiming.

 

 

 

 

I am not saying that, God's sake.

 

I'm saying it is natural to see more NPC MALE WARRIORS than FEMALES due to the MALE gender having BIOLOGICAL advantages that make them better WARRIORS.

 

 

That would be a racial difference. A male Qunari is probably stronger than a male dwarf too, for that matter. I think humans are stronger (both male and female) than elves in DA:O too.



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Fantasy worlds are to be treated as our own world, unless the lore explains otherwise, and why.
 
Given that there is no difference on physical stats on males and females, that is how it works in Thedas. Counts as part of the lore, I suppose.


Disagree with the absolute of the first part, as I simply tired of having separate tables of abilities for male & female no matter the setting, as the PC represents someone already above the norm. But I agree with the second, as the lore has already dictated there is no difference, be it magic or differences in gravity, physics, etc.

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Actually, they are. The way everyone in DA2 moves while fighting is pretty much impossible. Isabela's thigh-high boots are incredibly impractical as well, and yet, she can do all the same things that any other rogue can. Dragons shouldn't be able to fly either.

 

And a lot of fans criticised that. 

 

as the lore has already dictated there is no difference

 

No, it has not. Game Mechanics aren't lore.

 

You can be a Blood Mage in DAO yet Alistair, Wynne and Leliana say nothing about it.

 

That's not lore, it's game mechanics.



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Oblivion did


Oh right, I forgot about that.

Perhaps because I've been attempting to repress any memory of playing that game.
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Pateu in a nut shell...


This was too perfect a comparison not to both like and post again :)

Also...does that warden have..wings?

Er anyway, on-topicness

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This was too perfect a comparison not to both like and post again :)

Also...does that warden have..wings?

Er anyway, on-topicness

 

Yes. Incase Sten's FLY is open. (sorry. Bad pun)


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It's still sounding like you don't want there to be flying dragons in this game.



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So you're saying a dwarf is as strong as a qunari?

Since, you know. Size apparently doesn't matter.

Just admit that this is all political correctness and I'm not one bit wrong in what I'm claiming.


I am not saying that, God's sake.

I'm saying it is natural to see more NPC MALE WARRIORS than FEMALES due to the MALE gender having BIOLOGICAL advantages that make them better WARRIORS.



But we are AGREEING that there should be more male warriors! That's why I am suggesting 10-20% females instead of 50!

You seem to just be of the opinion that there should be basically NO female warriors, which is an entirely different point.
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So you're saying a dwarf is as strong as a qunari?
 
Since, you know. Size apparently doesn't matter.

They may well be. Dwarves being extremely strong despite their short posture --stronger than way larger humans, in fact-- are a bit of a fantasy trope.

In other words, pretty bad example.
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Oh right, I forgot about that.

Perhaps because I've been attempting to repress any memory of playing that game.

Can't imagine why

 

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Can't imagine why

 

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Kill it with fire?



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Men and women can have the same level of str, dex, con, int, wis and char. 
Each person is unique and can increase what it prefer.
It's horrible to say that men need to be warriors and women need to be mage, healer or archer.
Why restrictions? It is not necessary.
We can be the class that we wish.
 
I understand that the writer can decide how its world will work. But gender restrictions about human skills is not necessary.
 
 
If you see the most online rpgs, they are sexist. They restric men as physical fighters and women as mystic apprentices. It's boring.

 

Accuracy, each individual have their own stats. How far those stat go or limited to is based on the sex you are born as. A woman can be as strong as the average man but she can't get to a man max level of strength. Men also have thing they are limited at that woman are better at like flexibility and agility. A man can be as flexible and agile as the average woman but can never get to the max level of that a woman can get to.

 

That does not mean ether are better fights then another. If developed well enough, the abilities a man and woman can have can make them equal in a fight. A fight is more then strength verse strength.

 

It not that bw game never excluded woman more as fighters. Heck, da2 the had an entire gang mad of only woman called the Invisible Sisters. Dreagon age :origins had an entire fighting order made of woman called the silent sisters.

 

It woman are fighting more or less in dragon age is not an issue being that the society of thedus has no issue with woman fighting. Heck, we have an entire religion based around a female general who said she talked to go. With that they won't even start with the concept of gender restrictions.

 

Even more ironic the most powerfull beings/beast in Thedus, the hight dragonas, are all female.