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[Who Knows]

If I had a dollar for every misogynist who said that the Witcher was better than Dragon Age...

[Han Shot First]

Fantasy trope? Might I remind you that chimps are several times stronger than fully grown adult male humans, despite only being about as tall to a human as to be only up to our knees? Why can't the same be true for DA dwarves?

 

Only in upper body strength. 

 

Humans have stronger legs actually. (We're built for persistence hunting, chimps aren't)

[wtfman99]

All about equality but don't care about this too much either way, trash mobs are trash mobs.

[andy6915]

 

Only in upper body strength. 

 

Humans have stronger legs actually. (We're built for persistence hunting, chimps aren't)

 

True. And I'd bet money that humans have more leg strength than DA dwarves. Look at their stumpy little legs, no way are those stronger than ours.

[Emileejay]

I thought their world was more ideal from ours, maybe because it didn't even need the political correctness, because everyone is represented equally by default, and they have the time to shine. It's everyone's world, where anyone gets to feel at home and not singled out, and not discriminated like it happens to ours most of the time.

 

Not exactly - Thedas has it's own set of issues and inequalities between factions and races. While their issues are different than ours, it's not an ideal place at all. For example, elves are second class citizens, and there's also the whole mages and Circles debate that roars around every few days. Unless you mean the player themselves are the ones who don't feel discriminated against, in which case I guess I am wrong.

 

Imo, a world without conflict would be a bit too boring for a video game, heh.

[SardaukarElite]

But my stance still stands. Bioware's tendency to be politically correct harms the immersion of its world and I am starting to see why The Witcher series is much more appreciated than DA.

 

 

Regardless of whatever you think counts as political correctness, women have killed men in close combat during war. This is a thing that has happened in history.

 

Showing different proportions of men and women among scouts, couriers, artillery crews, archers, two handed fighters, swashbucklers, sailors and so on would be really interesting, but Dragon Age does not include all of those things. The whole of fighting is compressed into warriors, scouts and mages, none of which fight with a style remotely approaching realism.

 

What you are proposing is to ignore the fact women can fight in a number of roles to try and preserve some particular aspect of realism the game doesn't even try to include.

[Mornmagor]

Not exactly - Thedas has it's own set of issues and inequalities between factions and races. While their issues are different than ours, it's not an ideal place at all. For example, elves are second class citizens, and there's also the whole mages and Circles debate that roars around every few days. Unless you mean the player themselves are the ones who don't feel discriminated against, in which case I guess I am wrong.

 

Imo, a world without conflict would be a bit too boring for a video game, heh.

 

I meant it as - any person in real life can feel they belong there. Not that there are no discriminations in the game, but for example, you're not discriminated for playing a female. You are just as good a warrior as a male. If you're homosexual, you're not left out, there are romances for you as well.

 

Etc.

[Emileejay]

I meant is as - any person in real life can feel they belong there. Not that there are no discriminations in the game, but for example, you're not discriminated for playing a female. You are just as good a warrior as a male. If you're homosexual, you're not left out, there are romances for you as well.

 

Etc.

 

Ah, okay, I understand. Nevermind, I misinterpreted.

[KBomb]

Since we're discussing fair representation, how come the majority of dogs are mabari? I have seen a couple of regular stray dogs, but they certainly weren't anything important. Just background NPCs really. I know Fereldan is famous for mabari, but surely other dogs are brought there or migrate there, especially since Fereldans love their dogs.

It's hard for my mini schnauzer when I play Dragon Age. I always have to tell him that he is just as important as mabari. He isn't as big, sure. And he gets regularly groomed and enjoys the luxuries of life, but I know if dark spawn attacked me, he'd come to wreck, dawg.

[BabyFratelli]

Since we're discussing fair representation, how come the majority of dogs are mabari? I have seen a couple of regular stray dogs, but they certainly weren't anything important. Just background NPCs really. I know Fereldan is famous for mabari, but surely other dogs are brought there or migrate there, especially since Fereldans love their dogs.

It's hard for my mini schnauzer when I play Dragon Age. I always have to tell him that he is just as important as mabari. He isn't as big, sure. And he gets regularly groomed and enjoys the luxuries of life, but I know if dark spawn attacked me, he'd come to wreck, dawg.

 

Oh, come on, don't do that. You know that the representation of dog breeds is different to the representation of gender. Don't be that guy. 

[Lillian]

Since we're discussing fair representation, how come the majority of dogs are mabari? I have seen a couple of regular stray dogs, but they certainly weren't anything important. Just background NPCs really. I know Fereldan is famous for mabari, but surely other dogs are brought there or migrate there, especially since Fereldans love their dogs.

It's hard for my mini schnauzer when I play Dragon Age. I always have to tell him that he is just as important as mabari. He isn't as big, sure. And he gets regularly groomed and enjoys the luxuries of life, but I know if dark spawn attacked me, he'd come to wreck, dawg.

That's not as cute as you think it is.

[Han Shot First]

Regardless of whatever you think counts as political correctness, women have killed men in close combat during war. This is a thing that has happened in history.

 

 

A good example is during the Cimbrian War. Among the 'barbarian' warriors were also women. According to Plutarch at the battle of Aquae Sextiae, "The fight had been no less fierce with the women than with the men themselves... the women charged with swords and axes and fell upon their opponents uttering a hideous outcry."

 

Later when the Roman general Marius defeated the Cimbri at Vercellae, his troops were fired on by female archers in the barbarians' wagon train. The women continued to fight even after their men had been killed, and refused to surrender. When it became clear that the battle was lost they killed their children and then took their own lives rather than be taken prisoner by the Romans.

[KaiserShep]

But my stance still stands. Bioware's tendency to be politically correct harms the immersion of its world and I am starting to see why The Witcher series is much more appreciated than DA.

 

Aside from the fact that this is simply your subjective view of BioWare's method of telling their story or establishing their world, this strikes me as a rather odd and petty reason for one franchise to be more appreciated than another (though I find the claim that TW is more appreciated than Dragon Age to be suspect in itself). This sort of thing can also extend to other aspects of "political correctness". As a person of color, there's always a chance that some numbskull might send an ethnic slur my way, or create some sort of inconvenience because of it, like how that district manager of Taco Bell in Indiana tried to curtail the hiring of hispanics at their restaurant (my gods, the irony!). Should the exclusion of such things in a video game somehow ruin the immersion? Why? Because it happens in real life? The hell do I care about that?

[KBomb]

Oh, come on, don't do that. You know that the representation of dog breeds is different to the representation of gender. Don't be that guy.

Seriously? That post was in no way meant to be disrespectful and certainly not expected to be taken seriously. I thought it was obvious, considering most of the posts here. I do apologize if anyone was offended. I know not everyone sees the importance of this topic and it should not be mocked. Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone. Please continue discussing how women aren't stronger than men and therefore should not be represented as much and how people who like the Witcher do so because bewbs.

[Samahl]

Please continue discussing how women aren't stronger than men and therefore should not be represented as much and how people who like the Witcher do so because bewbs.

 

Why are you even on this thread?

[KBomb]

Why are you even on this thread?

Why are you?

[BabyFratelli]

Seriously? That post was in no way meant to be disrespectful and certainly not expected to be taken seriously. I thought it was obvious, considering most of the posts here. I do apologize if anyone was offended. I know not everyone sees the importance of this topic and it should not be mocked. Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone. Please continue discussing how women aren't stronger than men and therefore should not be represented as much and how people who like the Witcher do so because bewbs.

 

I didn't take it seriously, you'd have to do more than that to offend me. I meant don't be the 'de-rails the thread with an obviously controversial joke' guy. I also don't personally think either of latter two things you stated. But I'm thinking this is probably over anyway.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Seriously? That post was in no way meant to be disrespectful and certainly not expected to be taken seriously. I thought it was obvious, considering most of the posts here. I do apologize if anyone was offended. I know not everyone sees the importance of this topic and it should not be mocked. Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone. Please continue discussing how women aren't stronger than men and therefore should not be represented as much and how people who like the Witcher do so because bewbs.

The rude sark is strong in this one.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Why are you?

Because he or she is actually adding something to the discussion instead of just nonconstructively mocking the people who feel passionate about the issue?

Pateu, while occasionally a little rude, actually added to the discussion whereas you are being rude just to be rude.

[Samahl]

Why are you?

 

Because I'm interested in the subject matter and have a personal stake in it. You seem to be here to needlessly antagonize people.

[KBomb]

Because he or she is actually adding something to the discussion instead of just nonconstructively mocking the people who feel passionate about the issue?

Pateu, while occasionally a little rude, actually added to the discussion whereas you are being rude just to be rude.

I added to the discussion, when it was a discussion. A discussion about whether or not Bioware would have women fairly represented as generic enemies. I think that discussion got lost somewhere amid the arguments of women killing things in real life, whether or not political correctness is good or harmful and whether or not dragons fly because of magic or just because they biologically can and how the answer to that will prove women should be represented.

It's really just been fighting about who is right and who is wrong for pages now. Sadly. I don't think I have been rude to anyone. If so, I do apologize.

Several times before I ha to make another reply to explain that what I said was taken the wrong way because some got upset. I have seen others have to do the same-- and mainly because people are just fired up and see everything as a rude, insulting or caustic comment.

[Samahl]

Several times before I ha to make another reply to explain that what I said was taken the wrong way because some got upset. I have seen others have to do the same-- and mainly because people are just fired up and see everything as a rude, insulting or caustic comment.

 

How should we take it when you explicitly mock people?

[KBomb]

How should we take it when you explicitly mock people?

Who was I mocking?

I did make that post to see how fast someone would respond with indignation. And it wasn't long, for sure. That was wrong of me and I do apologize.

Still, it wasn't meant to openly mock someone. Though, I won't lie, some of the "discussion" and insults thrown around at others has gotten ridiculous-- from both sides. Has anyone even discussed generic enemies and fair representation in the last few pages?

[Samahl]

I did make that post to see how fast someone would respond with indignation. And it wasn't long, for sure. That was wrong of me and I do apologize.

 

Thank you for admitting it and apologizing.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I added to the discussion, when it was a discussion. A discussion about whether or not Bioware would have women fairly represented as generic enemies. I think that discussion got lost somewhere amid the arguments of women killing things in real life, whether or not political correctness is good or harmful and whether or not dragons fly because of magic or just because they biologically can and how the answer to that will prove women should be represented.
It's really just been fighting about who is right and who is wrong for pages now. Sadly. I don't think I have been rude to anyone. If so, I do apologize.
Several times before I ha to make another reply to explain that what I said was taken the wrong way because some got upset. I have seen others have to do the same-- and mainly because people are just fired up and see everything as a rude, insulting or caustic comment.

But in those apologies for creating the wrong impression, you just antagonised them more, as the needless pointed (if you'll excuse the pun) 'bewbs' comment earlier on this page.