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[Pateu]

I said I am done on the matter of women in the military.

 

The Witcher's quality is different business.

[Fredward]

I said I am done on the matter of women in the military.

 

The Witcher's quality is different business.

 

And not under the purview of this thread soooooooo...

[Pateu]

And not under the purview of this thread soooooooo...

 

I know, right?

 

So people should stop breaking my ''final'' post apart and trying to bait me into responding.

 

But to say that The Witcher is a game for mysoginists is just being a typical feminist that cries sexism whenever something doesn't respect her agenda.

[L. Han]

I thought there were more female enemies in the game than males. Significant ones anyway.

 

Just on top of my head, there was Meredith, the merc who was after Shaemus, The Grey Warden commander in Soldier's Keep, The Grey Warden commander you fight in the Legacy DLC, Ser Cauther-something (Loghain's second in command), Flemeth, and more.

 

The only faction we never fight women is probably the Qunari alone. Because we fight female elves, humans, and dwarves. 

[Fredward]

So people should stop breaking my ''final'' post apart and trying to bait me into responding.

 

Or you could just stop taking the bait man, you're not a fish, if you can recognize something as bait and yet still take it you should probably work on your impulse control.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I said I am done on the matter of women in the military.
 
The Witcher's quality is different business.

By adding to that discussion you are furthering the offtopicness of this thread. Please stop.

Pateu and others, if the Witcher fascinates you so very much then make a topic about it in the off topic discussion forum.

[BabyFratelli]

I know, right?

 

So people should stop breaking my ''final'' post apart and trying to bait me into responding.

 

But to say that The Witcher is a game for mysoginists is just being a typical feminist that cries sexism whenever something doesn't respect her agenda.

 

I don't think anyone here is specifically trying to bait you, they're just (mostly) trying to have some discussion. And I mean, if they are the best thing you can do is stop biting. 

 

Also, did a person calling themselves a feminist mug you in an alley way or something?

 

You seem to have a very warped view of what they are. Have you tried doing your own research into what one is and supports instead of basing your opinions of them off of the loudest most extremist ones? (Who do exist, as extremists exist in every group.)

 

*edit* sorry ManchesterUnitedFan, I'll stop responding to off-topic things too.   

[Lillian]

So... Back to the point... I'm not going to flip a table if I see a female enemy, two female enemies, or a hundred female enemies. I'm not going to complain either way, because why would I? I know that there will be lots of awesome female character even if women are not included in enemy fodder. I wouldn't mind seeing women in the army; all soldiers have earned the right to be crushed by the Inquisition, after all. 

[Altima Darkspells]

The only faction we never fight women is probably the Qunari alone. Because we fight female elves, humans, and dwarves.

There were no female dwarves in DA2.

[ElitePinecone]

carries little to no weight in Dragon Age because of the Fantasy-Historical setting. Human history and culture can be pretty ugly, and the best way to repeat the mistakes is to pretend they didn't happen.

 

(About 12 hours late here but this has come up a lot recently and it really bugs me.)

 

It's a fantasy, not history. Thedas is not a real place, so arguments about realism make absolutely no sense.

 

They can take as much or as little inspiration from reality as they want - Dragon Age is not an accurate representation of human history, and it was never intended to be.

[KaiserShep]

There were no female dwarves in DA2.

 

This is true, and is something I always thought was weird. Not sure what Varric saw in Kirkwall because of this lol.

 

I thought there were more female enemies in the game than males. Significant ones anyway.

 

Just on top of my head, there was Meredith, the merc who was after Shaemus, The Grey Warden commander in Soldier's Keep, The Grey Warden commander you fight in the Legacy DLC, Ser Cauther-something (Loghain's second in command), Flemeth, and more.

 

The only faction we never fight women is probably the Qunari alone. Because we fight female elves, humans, and dwarves. 

 

I guess the important thing is that the ones we come across are also in a position of power within their group. There was Ser Rylock, the Templar that attempted to capture Anders in Awakening, Lady Liza Packton and Esmerelle, the nobles that were plotting against the Warden-Commander, Branka, Jarvia, the Dutchess of Blackmarsh, Devera, the Tevinter city elf that was helping the slavers to take the elves of Denerim's Alienage, Tarohne, Idunna, Lady Harimann, the Invisible Sisters of Kirkwall, the leader of the Tevinter magisters that attempt to buy the Tome of Koslun from Walleyed Sam, etc.. Though, in DA2, quite a lot of the mob enemies we face are female anyway.

[mikeymoonshine]

Allowing women soldiers fully is one of the (only) good things about Israel in my opinion. But anyway.

 

They are also pretty good on LGBT rights. Isreal is a rather confusing country tbh. 

 

One of the main points made by those who oppose feminism is that women rarely if ever had mandatory military service and feminists are generally against that idea. So I am not sure where all this anti feminist rhetoric is coming from, it hardly seems relevant here. 

[ElitePinecone]

And of course, let's not ignore the reality that the medieval setting upon which fantasy is based saw very few female warriors.  I know that BioWare created their own world with mostly gender equality, but the real world example upon which this world is based sets the tone for our perceptions of what would in this context be called normal.  That is why I would definitely notice if there were, say, far more women than men, and comment that it was strange, but not for the reverse of that.  That's just history, not some other kind of prejudice.

 

How many people really look at something like Dragon Age and try to compare it to history, though? It's pretty obviously not historical. 

 

If you'd said they compare it to classic fantasy that would make more sense, but I think Tolkien's influence on the genre is arguably waning precisely because his setting is so distant from reality now that it makes some people uncomfortable. 

 

At some point the cultural consensus is going to have to find a better touchstone for fantasy than something from seventy or eighty years ago, if only because the gender roles and quasi-racism (and dialogue, even) are going to get more alienating as time goes on.

 

Thedas is not reality, and it doesn't have to be realistic. 

[Pateu]

if only because the gender roles and quasi-racism (and dialogue, even)

 

It will be a sad day when some politically correct meh fantasy will take over Tolkien's just because it's politically correct.

[Star fury]

Women in the US army.

 

Total numbers:

-- About 203,000 in 2011, or 14.5% of the active-duty force of nearly 1.4 million.

 

Enlisted women made up 2.7% of the military's front-line units.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...y-women-glance/

 

But if someone wants equal representation in the ranks of generic enemies, who am I to judge?

[Maria Caliban]

Stop beating the dead horse. We agreed to disagree.

But my stance still stands. Bioware's tendency to be politically correct harms the immersion of its world and I am starting to see why The Witcher series is much more appreciated than DA.

Despite being more bland/generic, it still has plenty realism that doesn't get conveniently hand waved with '' Magic '' or '' Fantasy Setting. Ain't gotta explain ****. ''

And this is my final post on the matter.

I know, right?
 
So people should stop breaking my ''final'' post apart and trying to bait me into responding.
 
But to say that The Witcher is a game for mysoginists is just being a typical feminist that cries sexism whenever something doesn't respect her agenda.

 
 

It will be a sad day when some politically correct meh fantasy will take over Tolkien's just because it's politically correct.

Not even 24 hours.

I can't stand posters who dramatically flounce out of threads/forums just to turn right back and continue posting.

[ElitePinecone]

It will be a sad day when some politically correct meh fantasy will take over Tolkien's just because it's politically correct.

 

It's not about being politically correct, though. What's politically correct now will be the unquestioned reality of someone in fifty or a hundred years - and Tolkien will be less popular in the same way as nobody now reads ancient Greek or Roman plays for fun.

 

Attitudes change on a social level, people just start to like different things after a few generations. Heck, with the way language evolves people even have a hard time understanding his written English and it just becomes too much effort to read.

 

(It's why we study Shakespeare and Chaucer alongside their historical context, because absolutely nobody has the cultural background or mindset to understand every reference from centuries ago without some help.)

 

An epic fantasy about elves and dwarves and rings of power might've had a lot of appeal for a generation that was familiar with Norse legends and German operas about ring cycles, but would it be as popular to someone in 2050? 2150?

[DaySeeker]

Women in the US army.

 

Total numbers:

-- About 203,000 in 2011, or 14.5% of the active-duty force of nearly 1.4 million.

 

Enlisted women made up 2.7% of the military's front-line units.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...y-women-glance/

 

But if someone wants equal representation in the ranks of generic enemies, who am I to judge?

 

Some folks in this thread continue to ignore the fact the representation is already there and has been there in the last two DA games.  Why is this thread here?

[Star fury]

Some folks in this thread continue to ignore the fact the representation is already there and has been there in the last two DA games.  Why is this thread here?

Other RPGs had female mobs too like Fallout 3, so I don't understand such a heated debate here.

[Pateu]

 
 

Not even 24 hours.

I can't stand posters who dramatically flounce out of threads/forums just to turn right back and continue posting.

 

And this is my final post on the matter.

 

If you read you'd see i was talking about the women in the army thing.

 

But good job on making a pointless post with the sole purpose of lashing at me.

[Elhanan]

Not so difficult for me to accept a new role for a fictional work of art, but am rather annoyed at those revising history for curious reasons.

As for the role of women in Thedas, my hope is for general consistency with the lore.

[Pateu]

but would it be as popular to someone in 2050? 2150?

 

You don't know that. But if it's popular even nearly 100 years after they were written, the odds are fairly good.

[Burricho]

Women in the US army.

 

Total numbers:

-- About 203,000 in 2011, or 14.5% of the active-duty force of nearly 1.4 million.

 

Enlisted women made up 2.7% of the military's front-line units.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...y-women-glance/

 

But if someone wants equal representation in the ranks of generic enemies, who am I to judge?

Why are we comparing this to real life? How the hell is that relevant to a FANTASY world?